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[Vollkeule]

your friend should thank you a lot!

[Bluthorst]

OP: It's funny. I'd certainly like to think of DAII as a bad game, what with all those terrible flaws. Nevertheless I only really noticed all that in hindsight and I had my fair share of fun while playing (right up until the ending -.-). I probably wouldn't even have noticed if not for my obligatory rpg-2nd playthrough. So I guess my point is, that maybe if one is stuck in the experience one is not able to look at it factually, hence being more inclined to buy DLC?

Only reason to buy DLC I can relate to involves developers cropping out crucial parts of a game in order to force fans to buy overpriced data which was probably once part of the original game, but thats even worse now is it?

[Felix Golden]

I really like Bioware and all...but this...junk...which I cant return ~.~ has really shaken my faith in the company and developers...

I was hoping for something awesome as a follow up to DA:O and its expansion but...I get rehashed environments, a dumbed down combat system, random spawn enemies, crappy camera, horrible inventory system.... I should have waited a week or two, I normally like to support companies I like by helping them get those high sales...But this was just inexcusable...

Come on Bioware...Thats just not cool..

[Killjoy Cutter]

I'll give Bioware a chance with the upcoming story DLC. IF it's what they're promising it will be, then I might come back and purchase at least some of the released item DLC.

[AlanC9]

You know, Felix, there was a demo that you could have looked at before buying.

[Gleym]

doloreg wrote...

The very problem with this topic is the topic itself.
It's a yes or no question, with a story about how you lecture your friend about how much you hate the game.
As you've pointed out, the story is irrelevant, and i don't care about you being bossy with your friend.
But you let us choose between 2 responses:

Yes-(we are stupid because we like DA2)

No-(we aren't stupid because we hate DA2)

I dont doubt that you don't see a problem with that, given that in your mind, this mindset is solid. you don't think DA2 is bad, you *know* it is. For you, it's a fact.
Of course, we are all biased towards our own opinions, some are more aware of this than others, and you are seemingly blind to this.

But i'll let you digest this:
There are more answers such as, "no, i'm not an idiot, and i like da2"
People have different opinions and that doesn't make them stupid, even if that opinion clashes with yours.

Sounds like you just described the amount of options afforded to players in DA2.

[Sabriana]

Iirc the demo fell short of showing much in the way of the inventory system (in mine it was locked), the recycled areas, the ninja parachuters, the non-customization of companions, the bare-bones companion interaction, the stories held together by spit and prayer, and so on, and so on.

What it did show was the artwork and the combat. Although, you are partially right. After seeing the orgre and the clownspawn, I should've known better.

[D-man_awesome]

Aermord wrote...

I saved my friend the other day. He was visiting and praising Dragon Age Origins, which he bought only recently, and like me he absolutely loved the game. He knew I had DA2 and that I hate it, but to do him a favor and save him from any nagging thoughts on "what if I would like DA2 anyway" I showed him the gameplay.

After having finished a standard mission in five-ten minutes, with some parachuting enemies dropping into the battle from nowhere, and the combat moving at a pace twice as fast as it's humanly possible to move, while clicking the "awesome" button to make the enemies explode ever so nicely. I noticed is face growing pale. Then after having told him that I knew that area very well, because I had visited it several times before littered with other kinds of enemies, and after I'd told him that it is not possible to speak with companions when I want to, AND after showing him the very populated city of kirkwall, and telling him a bit about the -bad- story, I knew I had saved him from making the same mistake as the one I did - Which is buying this game.

As I told him: "As far as I am concerned, DA2 never happened, it doesn't exist, it has no connection to Dragon Age Origins, its a mistake, and it should be forgotten asap."

Now, what I dont get is that on these forums, where I am far from the only one feeling this way about this faliure of a game, I see people, who have the same gripes as I do, WAITING for a DLC to come out. Are we really that stupid as consumers? We buy something we end up hating because we think its a bad product, and still -some- of us wants to invest more money into this thing?

I wonder why? Is it a hope that a DLC will fix all the things that is wrong with DA2? That Bioware will miraculously turn this game 180 degrees and suddently make it good? The chances of that is like buying an old wreck of a car and think that if you put on new tires, you'll get a hot rod.

I dont get it, why would you buy a DLC if you dont like this game? (for those of you who like the game, fair enough if you want to spend money) Why support a company with more money if you think they've failed?


EDIT: Funny how many of the comments given below sounds like they were in the room with my friend and I by telling me that I did not give my friend a fair chance to make his own oppinion. Well, to give all the troubled minds some ease, let me state that my friend is perfectly able of forming his own oppinion, and the reason why I did not describe in precise detail how we explored the game together, going through its good and bad sides, is because this topic is really not about this. Let me also state that nor my friend, any animals, or anything living for that matter, were harmed during the demonstration.

well said bro i've given up on this game 2 i'm not waiting 4 dlc or anything else. the next time i spend money on drgon age it will b 2 buy da3 if they make 1 and in the mean time i'll b playing origins hoping the next game won't b as much of a failure as this 1 was. da2 was the biggest disappointment of a game i have ever come across

[AlanC9]

Sabriana wrote...

Iirc the demo fell short of showing much in the way of the inventory system (in mine it was locked), the recycled areas, the ninja parachuters, the non-customization of companions, the bare-bones companion interaction, the stories held together by spit and prayer, and so on, and so on.

The inventory system and companion customization changes were discussed in pretty much every preview of the game, weren't they? Though I agree that you couldn't know how dopey the loot drops were going to be until actually playing the full game - DA2 didn't take enough from ME2 in that aspect.

[Sabriana]

Yeah Alan, I know that now (about the inventory and companions) but I pretty much stayed away from all that. I didn't want to spoil the game for me. I wish I hadn't stayed away. The non-customization alone would have made me stop in my tracks and I wouldn't be out 56 euros.

Oh well. I can always replay MotB until something else comes along, right

[doloreg]

Gleym wrote...

doloreg wrote...


Yes-(we are stupid because we like DA2)

No-(we aren't stupid because we hate DA2)[/b]

Sounds like you just described the amount of options afforded to players in DA2.

Point, missing it.
I was talking about his narrow-mindedness and you pop up and join the crowd.
I applaud your stupidity.

[Haexpane]

Aermord wrote...

Guliver wrote...
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So stop complaining about something that can be easily ignored by any mature person and start enyoing the game for what it's worth. It has the same good qualities that marked DAO( amazing story, great lore, incredible companions), so you can't say it's worth nothing. 

Se this is where our opinions differ. I DO NOT believe DA2 has the same good qualities as DAO. I think DA2 got a terrible story that is far from captivating, it alters lore to the worse compared to the original, and the companions are shallow and uninteresting.

I have to STRONGLY agree that for various reasons the companions in DA2 are just... annoying.  The women act like children, and the men act like angry teenagers going to a Jared Ledo concert.

Both Aveline and Merril have the emotional maturity of a child, Bethany, I barely saw her for more than 4 minutes in the game so I have zero connection to her, I spend more time talking to a backstabbing failure uncle than any other family member.  Fenris is Goth/Emo/Facebook memes...

You get 3 minutes with a Qunari in act 1 and I'm like "sweet finally a companion I don't want to kill..." and well,  

Varric is OK for a dorf I guess, but his cheesy disco ball outfit is off putting.  Anders became a lying terrorist.

I get it, they wanted a "more mature, non cliche" story.  But it doesnt matter what the story is, if the characters are unlikable and not compelling, no one cares.

Look at THE WIRE for examples of how to tell gritty, real stories AND have characters that are compelling and you can cheer for even if they are flawed/bad guys.

The DA2 writing really just turned adults into bumbling school kids.

[Gleym]

doloreg wrote...

Gleym wrote...

doloreg wrote...


Yes-(we are stupid because we like DA2)

No-(we aren't stupid because we hate DA2)[/b]

Sounds like you just described the amount of options afforded to players in DA2.

Point, missing it.
I was talking about his narrow-mindedness and you pop up and join the crowd.
I applaud your stupidity.

And I applaud your butthurt that appears to be hampering your humor faculties if you can't tell the quick jab at your complaint of limited options of defining opinions in comparison to that of people who disliked DA2 for its lack of options.

To clear it up a little bit more: The joke here is you're whining that it's not fair that the only two options are 'DA2 sucks, therefore I am not stupid' and 'I liked DA2, therefore I am stupid' because those are two choices with the same, unsatisfactory end result. This amuses me, because that's exactly how DA2's choices function.

You may now carry on whining.

Modifié par Gleym, 05 mai 2011 - 07:06 .

[Aermord]

While I already adressed doloregs "misunderstanding" of my post in a reply to him, I strongly suggest that instead of flaming each other, you should stay on topic in this thread.

[Gleym]

'Cept I wasn't flaming. I made a joking quip, and he flipped his top because of a jab at his precious game. I then elaborated on the nature of the joking quip, whilst lampshading the aforementioned butthurt revolving around his top-flipping response.

The difference therein is that he called me stupid, and you narrow-minded. Those are actual, direct accusations of an insulting nature. I stated that he was butthurt, and was whining. Of a negative nature, yes, but far more likely to be true rather than a blithe kneejerk response due to a simple case of 'Stop disliking what I like!'.

Modifié par Gleym, 05 mai 2011 - 07:10 .

[blauterranit]

Oh!
are you really costumer-buyers-players of bioware's product?? Or are you simply angry with yourself for beeing a awful buyer?

Sorry, but if you feel so badly for buying a game, no matter which one, I really applaud EA merchandasing and other marks!!! A good game becomes good when surprises all market, no players... a great game surprises players and creators! But it's a work that take at least 5 years... and DA2 only take 18 months... What on earth do you really claim?
No pre-ordering, no awaiting in front of the door market, no dreaming of fancy demos...A good buy is the one made with time, patiently leaving date-sale pass, awaiting for easy costumers opinions in forums, even friends ones. If we choose the first option we have no right to claims or pretending be a good friend saving the world from be stupid. If we choose the second one, well, then we are wiser that we ever though about ourself :-)


Yes-(we are stupid because we like DA2) EA partners think, making cash....

No-(we aren't stupid because we hate DA2)EA partners competence laugh...

I like DA2, I don't like at all DLC "the exilied prince" but it's not for blaming Bioware or any creator... they don't sale me nothing more or less that I wouldn't expect from a second part of anything...

Second parts never are better. (only the exception of rules... if you find it...)

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ah yes, the old "blame the victim for being a sucker, congratulate the scammer for being clever" self-justication of the con man.

[blauterranit]

Éxcuse me.. do you feel your'e a victim for buying anything freely? Great... Then I proclaim that I am a victim because the last book I've bought displace me and the author and its publishing house told me it was the most great novel never wrote!!
really is this your argument? waw! let me cry in the corner....

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Well good thing your friend had you over his shoulder pointing out all the stuff you hated for him. Sometimes we need to save our friends from forming their own opinions. True story.

Friends don't let friends drive 'FORDS'......or play 'HALO'.

To the OP, yes BW and EA are counting on folks being that stupid.  I like to think that gamers aren't actually that dumb, but I get proven wrong on that point quite often. Appearance Packs for all!!!

There, fixed it for ya.

save for the quip about appearance packs(which are OPTIONAL), the rest is forgetable.

[Killjoy Cutter]

blauterranit wrote...

Éxcuse me.. do you feel your'e a victim for buying anything freely? Great... Then I proclaim that I am a victim because the last book I've bought displace me and the author and its publishing house told me it was the most great novel never wrote!!
really is this your argument? waw! let me cry in the corner....

My argument is that your "ha ha, they got you, your fault for being a sucker" argument is the same argument that conmen and scam artists use to self-justify lying to people in order to take their money.   

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Andrastee wrote...

I want to know dose anyone like this game with out a gun being pointed at there head?

*checks for cunningly concealed gunmen lurking in her bedroom*

Yes.

Seconded, 
 
oh and could you point that elsewhere?J/K

[xSpitfire]

i only have 1 problem with dragon age 2

and that is they didnt make it long enough..
in DAO i would avg around 150 - 200 hrs of game play

this one i can do in half that time
but on a positive note hey made alot of nice additions to the game

and it looks beautiful

alot of people are complaining about the game

but im also a member on EPIC forums and you should SEE all the complaints about the gow 3 beta its ridiculous and the game is GOOD i like it

and i like DRAGON AGE 2 ALOT i think peoples expectations are TOO high

and alot of people dont know how hard it is to make a small game
let alone a game as massive as DRAGON AGE

and GEARS so i think you guys should be a little more optimistic rather than slandering the game

[StableZaner]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

!Do not buy the DLC!

You are contributing to the problem future games will face, you are betraying your fellow gamers and you're betraying yourself.

It is up to each of us to take a step back and resist the temptation to buy this just because it's Dragon Age and think about what we could have gotten if this was a proper sequel and full game.

I don't usually tend to think about other gamers when I make a purchase or decision that will entertain me personally...