Yes and the scene is bloody pathetic, like Bioware purposely made it so bad that you shouldn't do it not because it's stupidly evil but so bad graphic, animation and sound wise.
Will Meredith really kill Bethany if you tell her to?
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 06:55
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I feel just as bad as anyone else for watching that, but that had to be the worst kill I've ever seen. It was poorly done.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 06:55
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What do you expect its the rite of annulment. This is one of the main reasons why I sided with the mages hell i would of killed cullen when beth was taken away but bethany stopped me >_>
Indeed. This is EXACTLY what siding with the Templars means. I fault Bioware for not showing more of it such as our "hero" slaughting rooms of little mage children Anakin style. That at least would be an honest protrayal of the Right of Annulment.
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Oh Ian, you're so lulzy.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 06:59
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PurebredCorn wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Bigdoser wrote...
What do you expect its the rite of annulment. This is one of the main reasons why I sided with the mages hell i would of killed cullen when beth was taken away but bethany stopped me >_>
Indeed. This is EXACTLY what siding with the Templars means. I fault Bioware for not showing more of it such as our "hero" slaughting rooms of little mage children Anakin style. That at least would be an honest protrayal of the Right of Annulment.
-Polaris
Oh Ian, you're so lulzy.
Am I wrong? Didn't think so. Unless you are a complete hypocrit, siding with Meredith DOES mean letting her slaughter your sister (or you do it yourself) along with mage children (and we know there are mage children in the gallows).
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:27
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Cerbrus operative wrote...
My heart broke after watching that damned scene
Same.... Of any character in DA:2, Bethany is the most innocent. Course, I let her join the Wardens rather than see her stuck in the Circle.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:01
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lastpatriot wrote...
Cerbrus operative wrote...
My heart broke after watching that damned scene
Same.... Of any character in DA:2, Bethany is the most innocent. Course, I let her join the Wardens rather than see her stuck in the Circle.
Really? I don't think she's better off in the Wardens at all. The Wardens is better for Carver because he wants to be someone, he wants to be important. Bethany seems to just want a normal life. Settle down with a nice guy (or girl? she seemed pretty interested in the six things) and raise a family. Being plagued by darkspawn nightmares and having every day a fight for survival is a terrible fate for someone like that, even without the inevitable early death. The Circle certainly sucks, but she's free of it in a few years when Meredith goes batty and gets killed by Hawke.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:00
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And indeed, she can never be free of the Wardens.
She certainly doesn't seem happy about that, either.
She certainly doesn't seem happy about that, either.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:07
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IanPolaris wrote...
Bigdoser wrote...
What do you expect its the rite of annulment. This is one of the main reasons why I sided with the mages hell i would of killed cullen when beth was taken away but bethany stopped me >_>
Indeed. This is EXACTLY what siding with the Templars means. I fault Bioware for not showing more of it such as our "hero" slaughting rooms of little mage children Anakin style. That at least would be an honest protrayal of the Right of Annulment.
-Polaris
That's true with the Annulment in Kirkwall, but I don't think so much with the Annulment in Ferelden, in DAO.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:35
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That's true with the Annulment in Kirkwall, but I don't think so much with the Annulment in Ferelden, in DAO.
You saw those kids running around with Wynne and her apprentices? Mage-burger if you side with the Templars.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:51
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the fact is that there is actually an option for that...there shouldnt be any..you start the game with a friendly bethany..even if your relationship worsens nobody would let that **** kill his siter i mean that is not even realistic..it would be realistic if there was the option to have bethany impriosned but slain..pfff what have they been thinking
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:52
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You know what? For a Mage Hawke, we should have the option to give ourselves up and let Meredith slaughter us. That is how masochist we are, yes. We love bending over a cactus to be slammed from behind by a yak.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:54
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Yes.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
But you already know that.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:56
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Cerbrus operative wrote...
My heart broke after watching that damned scene
Just chose this comment at random, out of the many that said pretty much the same thing:
This is exactly why Bioware set it so that one sibling is a mage in that instance. Nice to see it worked for some people.
Personally, while I liked Bethany, they took her away from me for 2/3 of the game . . . which meant that she didn't factor into my decision at the end at all. I thought they dropped the ball there.
Seems they didn't, at least to some people.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:56
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Maria Caliban wrote...
Yes.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
But you already know that.
If you can watch that clip and still say that siding with Meredith was the morally right thing do to, then I can't help you. Enough said.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:59
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IanPolaris wrote...
PurebredCorn wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Bigdoser wrote...
What do you expect its the rite of annulment. This is one of the main reasons why I sided with the mages hell i would of killed cullen when beth was taken away but bethany stopped me >_>
Indeed. This is EXACTLY what siding with the Templars means. I fault Bioware for not showing more of it such as our "hero" slaughting rooms of little mage children Anakin style. That at least would be an honest protrayal of the Right of Annulment.
-Polaris
Oh Ian, you're so lulzy.
Am I wrong? Didn't think so. Unless you are a complete hypocrit, siding with Meredith DOES mean letting her slaughter your sister (or you do it yourself) along with mage children (and we know there are mage children in the gallows).
-Polaris
i wouldnt want you as a sibling...cheez what kind of people exist
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:28
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Bethany herself doesn't really question it nor objects. And you can interpret her line about being another abomination in more than one way.IanPolaris wrote...
If you can watch that clip and still say that siding with Meredith was the morally right thing do to, then I can't help you. Enough said.
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:35
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tmp7704 wrote...
Bethany herself doesn't really question it nor objects. And you can interpret her line about being another abomination in more than one way.IanPolaris wrote...
If you can watch that clip and still say that siding with Meredith was the morally right thing do to, then I can't help you. Enough said.
Excuses. Bethany can't possibly resist and she knows it. It's called BITTER RESIGNATION.
-Polaris
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:39
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No it isn't. The Right of Annulment is about neutralizing the Circle because it is completely out of control, which the Kirkwall circle was. And the Templars only kill those mages which resist or who are maleficars. If you side with the templars for example, several mages give themselves up, and while Meredith wants to kill them, Cullen stops her, saying something about taking in surrendering mages. Bethany and those mages aren't a threat, so you don't kill them.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
Killing Bethany IS the logical extension of siding with Meredith.
-Polaris
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:44
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Agamo45 wrote...
No it isn't. The Right of Annulment is about neutralizing the Circle because it is completely out of control, which the Kirkwall circle was. And the Templars only kill those mages which resist or who are maleficars. If you side with the templars for example, several mages give themselves up, and while Meredith wants to kill them, Cullen stops her, saying something about taking in surrendering mages. Bethany and those mages aren't a threat, so you don't kill them.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
Killing Bethany IS the logical extension of siding with Meredith.
-Polaris
Yes it is. DG himself addressed the fate of the captured mages. They are either killed later or made tranquil. The Right of Annulment is extremely clear on this point. NO MAGE is permitted to be captured alive as a mage. ALL are to be killed...and Cullen never rescinds the Right of Annulment even when he has the legal right to do so.
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:45
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IanPolaris wrote...
Agamo45 wrote...
No it isn't. The Right of Annulment is about neutralizing the Circle because it is completely out of control, which the Kirkwall circle was. And the Templars only kill those mages which resist or who are maleficars. If you side with the templars for example, several mages give themselves up, and while Meredith wants to kill them, Cullen stops her, saying something about taking in surrendering mages. Bethany and those mages aren't a threat, so you don't kill them.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
Killing Bethany IS the logical extension of siding with Meredith.
-Polaris
Yes it is. DG himself addressed the fate of the captured mages. They are either killed later or made tranquil. The Right of Annulment is extremely clear on this point. NO MAGE is permitted to be captured alive as a mage. ALL are to be killed...and Cullen never rescinds the Right of Annulment even when he has the legal right to do so.
-Polaris
Hyperbole, opinion, and bias speaking. Nothing more.
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:46
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TJPags wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Agamo45 wrote...
No it isn't. The Right of Annulment is about neutralizing the Circle because it is completely out of control, which the Kirkwall circle was. And the Templars only kill those mages which resist or who are maleficars. If you side with the templars for example, several mages give themselves up, and while Meredith wants to kill them, Cullen stops her, saying something about taking in surrendering mages. Bethany and those mages aren't a threat, so you don't kill them.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
Killing Bethany IS the logical extension of siding with Meredith.
-Polaris
Yes it is. DG himself addressed the fate of the captured mages. They are either killed later or made tranquil. The Right of Annulment is extremely clear on this point. NO MAGE is permitted to be captured alive as a mage. ALL are to be killed...and Cullen never rescinds the Right of Annulment even when he has the legal right to do so.
-Polaris
Hyperbole, opinion, and bias speaking. Nothing more.
-TJ
Nope. Hard and accurate game lore. The Game Lore in DA has always been very specific and very uncompromising about the Right of Annulment. If you agree to the Right of Annulment you are not only allowed but REQUIRED to kill all mages in the circle right down to the last man, woman, and child.....innocent baby sisters included.
-Polaris
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Excuses. She knows so well that her own brother wouldn't just maybe hesitate if she pointed out what he's doing is morally wrong and questioned his beliefs, that she doesn't even try?IanPolaris wrote...
Excuses. Bethany can't possibly resist and she knows it. It's called BITTER RESIGNATION.
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:49
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IanPolaris wrote...
TJPags wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Agamo45 wrote...
No it isn't. The Right of Annulment is about neutralizing the Circle because it is completely out of control, which the Kirkwall circle was. And the Templars only kill those mages which resist or who are maleficars. If you side with the templars for example, several mages give themselves up, and while Meredith wants to kill them, Cullen stops her, saying something about taking in surrendering mages. Bethany and those mages aren't a threat, so you don't kill them.IanPolaris wrote...
Anyone else think siding with the Templars is the morally right thing to do?
Killing Bethany IS the logical extension of siding with Meredith.
-Polaris
Yes it is. DG himself addressed the fate of the captured mages. They are either killed later or made tranquil. The Right of Annulment is extremely clear on this point. NO MAGE is permitted to be captured alive as a mage. ALL are to be killed...and Cullen never rescinds the Right of Annulment even when he has the legal right to do so.
-Polaris
Hyperbole, opinion, and bias speaking. Nothing more.
-TJ
Nope. Hard and accurate game lore. The Game Lore in DA has always been very specific and very uncompromising about the Right of Annulment. If you agree to the Right of Annulment you are not only allowed but REQUIRED to kill all mages in the circle right down to the last man, woman, and child.....innocent baby sisters included.
-Polaris
Indeed.
And both game lore and DG say that NO PRISONERS ARE TAKEN.
Cullen takes prisoners.
Explain the contradiction.
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Posté 05 mai 2011 - 02:51
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Indeed.
And both game lore and DG say that NO PRISONERS ARE TAKEN.
Cullen takes prisoners.
Explain the contradiction.
DG speaking in WoG mode actually explored that issue with Lob. In the rare case where a mage actually survives the initial conflict, they may be executed or perhaps be made tranquil later. They are NOT permitted to continue to exist as mages. The RoA is very clear and Cullen never rescinds it.
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tmp7704 wrote...
Excuses. She knows so well that her own brother wouldn't just maybe hesitate if she pointed out what he's doing is morally wrong and questioned his beliefs, that she doesn't even try?IanPolaris wrote...
Excuses. Bethany can't possibly resist and she knows it. It's called BITTER RESIGNATION.
She is trying. She knows that no amount of screaming or struggling will save her life. She is TRYING to appeal to her brother's sense of kinship and morality.
-Polaris
