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[Toastbrot]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Definitely not.

[Mr.House]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

I could stand never hearing that word again, ever. 

GIGGLESQUEE.

You're welcome.

XD

Thank you for making me laugh Sheryl!

[The dead fish]

Doesn't Sten doubt The Warden during the journey to the Urn of Sacred Ashes? Doesn't The Warden continue onward, in spite of Sten's disagreement over this course of action?

Listening is not necessarily agree. Merill, not just listen, there is a difference.
She rejects all that is said with a wave of her hand.

[DOYOURLABS]

She was adorable, so of course I did.

[jlb524]

Sylvianus wrote...

Doesn't Sten doubt The Warden during the journey to the Urn of Sacred Ashes? Doesn't The Warden continue onward, in spite of Sten's disagreement over this course of action?

Listening is not necessarily agree. Merill, not just listen, there is a difference.
She rejects all that is said with a wave of her hand.

How do you know?  It's different with the Warden as you are the Warden and can decide if you listen to Sten's advice or not.

[DarthCaine]

More like facepalm

[The dead fish]

jlb524 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Doesn't Sten doubt The Warden during the journey to the Urn of Sacred Ashes? Doesn't The Warden continue onward, in spite of Sten's disagreement over this course of action?

Listening is not necessarily agree. Merill, not just listen, there is a difference.
She rejects all that is said with a wave of her hand.

How do you know?  It's different with the Warden as you are the Warden and can decide if you listen to Sten's advice or not.

It's different because Merrill needs this quest, it's almost become an obsession, no reasoning can not divert her from this path because it is an irrational desire. Nothing can act upon it.

It is no coincidence that we speak to save or not save her. This quest devours her from within. She always seems feverish or nostalgic or another when she speaks of the mirror.

I know it was not an obsession for the warden, this quest had no close sentimental. I listened, reasoned, continued the mission.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 08:31 .

[LobselVith8]

Sylvianus wrote...

It's different because Merrill needs this quest, it's almost become an obsession, no reasoning can not divert her from this path because it is an irrational desire. Nothing can act upon it.

It is no coincidence that we speak to save or not save her. This quest devours her from within. She always seems feverish or nostalgic or another when she speaks of the mirror.

I know it was not an obsession for the warden, this quest had no close sentimental. I listened, reasoned, continued the mission.

Merrill wants to help her people, why should she abandon a piece of technology that can irrevocably transform their lives for the better? It's not the first time a character in Dragon Age proceeded to go through with a quest in spite of disagreement. It's not like Sten's disagreement over the Urn of Sacred Ashes stopped The Warden.

While Marethari and the others are doing nothing about the plight of the People, Merrill is being proactive in seeing a solution to aid elves across Thedas.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 04 mai 2011 - 08:42 .

[chelseaisthepan]

She had her moments, but most of the the time I wanted to backhand her and make her see reason.

[The dead fish]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

It's different because Merrill needs this quest, it's almost become an obsession, no reasoning can not divert her from this path because it is an irrational desire. Nothing can act upon it.

It is no coincidence that we speak to save or not save her. This quest devours her from within. She always seems feverish or nostalgic or another when she speaks of the mirror.

I know it was not an obsession for the warden, this quest had no close sentimental. I listened, reasoned, continued the mission.

Merrill wants to help her people, why should she abandon a piece of technology that can irrevocably transform their lives for the better? It's not the first time a character in Dragon Age proceeded to go through with a quest in spite of disagreement. It's not like Sten's disagreement over the Urn of Sacred Ashes stopped The Warden.

While Marethari and the others are doing nothing about the plight of the People, Merrill is being proactive in seeing a solution to aid elves across Thedas.

Yeah she's proactive in seeing a solution to aides elves across Thedas, yes she want to help her people while the others are doing nothing about the plight of the people. I agree, and I love volontarism.

But no, I'm pragmatic, and I know when things are done for the good of the people despite the dangers and difficult decisions. But this time it is beyond comprehension. Merrill must use blood magic, I knew immediatly it wasn't the right way to run eluvans.

A former power, a power that transcends it. Blood magic could quickly divert the true function of eluvans
It's a bad idea, it is not  with the blood magic that happens to something good with a mirror that has been already stricken by an unknown disease, evil. Merrill doesn't measure what it does, from there her desire to protect her people may turn against it severely.

Maybe she just wants to put only her life in danger, but who really knows what will happen ? It never happens what you want with blood magic.



More than her single life could be at stake.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 09:08 .

[Everwarden]

DanteCousland wrote...

She made me giggle a bit, no squees though and certainly no need for capslocking or nommingherhead.

Merrill is one of the -only- things in DA2 that doesn't fuel my fiery fanboy rage towards Bioware. 

So.. damned.. cute..

[LobselVith8]

Sylvianus wrote...

But this time it is beyond comprehension. Merrill must use blood magic, I knew immediately it wasn't the right way to run the eluvians.

Merrill needs to use blood magic to cleanse the shard because she lacks the sufficient amount of lyrium to perform the same task. Blood magic is the reason we have Grey Wardens and a means to end the Blight.

Sylvianus wrote...

Maybe she just wants to put her life in danger, but who really knows what will happen?

You seem mostly focused on the fact that she used blood magic. Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic provide us with Grey Wardens. Blood magic is the reason Thedas isn't overrun with darkspawn, it's the reason why people aren't being eaten alive and why women aren't being violated across Thedas. Merrill wants to help her people from their downward spiral and give them back a part of Arlathan. The possible benefits could dramatically improve the lives of the elves, and I see no reason to back Merrill down from an altruistic cause.

[The dead fish]

LobselVith8 wrote...
You seem mostly focused on the fact that she used blood magic. Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic provide us with Grey Wardens. Blood magic is the reason Thedas isn't overrun with darkspawn, it's the reason why people aren't being eaten alive and why women aren't being violated across Thedas. Merrill wants to help her people from their downward spiral and give them back a part of Arlathan. The possible benefits could dramatically improve the lives of the elves, and I see no reason to back Merrill down from an altruistic cause.

An altruistic cause can be mishandled, can divert a path, can do much harm to others. Anders also has an altruistic cause, the means are not necessarily aligned with the cause.

Blood magic is never unrequited, never without a price. What price to pay for operating an ancient power with blood magic ? Certainly a price very high.

It's completely naive to think that only her life is at stake. It is a price too low for my taste.

Benefits can only be illusory fantasies that turn into a nightmare in reality for Dalatians and maybe more. Connor thought he could save his father, responded to the appeal of fantasy and illusion, he got lost in the emotion as Merrill. We know what happened. He wished good too. And yet evil was there.

Wanting only a lot of things without thinking responsibly, is woefully inadequate.

Merrill thinks very clearly that the outcome is simple, she will not endanger anyone other than she, when in fact she ignores the scope of her experience. She ignores what will happen.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 09:30 .

[TEWR]

Ok what Merrill bashing has been going on? Is it the usual "She's a complete ****** and blood magic is evil" diatribe I see often enough?

[Dean_the_Young]

The only reason what happened happened was because the Dalish involved chose it to be so. No price on their part was demanded, no requirement fated: these were people who, by their own responsibility, made needless costs.

This was no Merrill endangering others. This was others endangering themselves on their own initiative.

[Abispa]

I like it that not every party member is likable, and I rarely go into immature fan-boy mode and **** about how every companion isn't my dream girl and willing to go threesome

Until I understood the rivalry system, I labeled Merrill as "annoying, but useful" which was the same I rated Isabella. Although it's hard for me to get a high rivalry score with Isabella when I'm role playing the way I want to, on my Templar play-through Merrill was at 100% rivalry AND in love and my character was hooked, and sweet little Merrill stood by me as I slaughtered the Circle and all the blood magic scum. Bwa ha ha ha!

[Louis deGuerre]

Let's see...
1. Delicious Welsh accent which reminded me of Catatonia's Road Rage
2. Naive bloodmage is great concept (pushing it a bit here and there)
3. CMOA : (Merrill): But there's not really a fire, is there?

She's a keeper

[XX55XX]

Nein.

But she is adorable nonetheless. Never cracked, but I did smile here and there.

[Maria Caliban]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Blood magic is the reason Thedas isn't overrun with darkspawn...

Blood magic is also the reason why the darkspawn exist.

[Everwarden]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Blood magic is the reason Thedas isn't overrun with darkspawn...

Blood magic is also the reason why the darkspawn exist.

According to the Chantry. ...not really going to take their word for it, honestly. 

[Jazharah]

Giggle? Yes. Squee? A little. Nom her? Sure, but not her head

[tmp7704]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill wants to help her people, why should she abandon a piece of technology that can irrevocably transform their lives for the better?

She doesn't even know what it does. She presumes that based on little else but "it's elf-made, it's old so it must be good"

For that matter so do we. "Irrevocably transform lives for the better" is quite a presumption to make when the only thing we know for a fact about these items is, you can enter one (and what happens once you do is anyone's guess). See how that presumption turned out for the tevinter magisters.

Everwarden wrote...

According to the Chantry. ...not really going to take their word for it, honestly.

It's not as much the Chantry says it that makes it potentially true, but rather that the Tevinter doesn't really argue it. And you'd think it's in their best interest to deny such major charge against the "threats of magic".

Modifié par tmp7704, 04 mai 2011 - 11:04 .

[SirGladiator]

Ive never really seen a source to where the darkspawn come from, other than that they come from below the ground, where the Dwarves live. I doubt blood magic per se was involved, I thought the whole introductory story said that the darkspawn came from evil mages invading the golden city and being turned into darkspawn. I dont think they cast blood magic and turned themselves into darkspawn.

In regard to Merrill, everything she did seemed so terrible if you go strictly by DA2's 'blood mage= crazy/evil' general attitude, but if you've played DAO you know that simply isn't true, and while this mirror is portrayed as some kind of object of evil, or at least something to be feared and avoided, again if you've played DAO you know that Morrigan used a similar mirror, she wasn't even a blood mage, and the mirror was a good thing, a tool for achieving her goals. So basicly if you've played DAO then it seems that the way everybody reacts to Merrill is insane, while if you haven't then its Merrill who seems insane. I sided with Merrill and helped her in her quest, because as someone who played and enjoyed DAO, I didn't see any logic to not doing that, it just seemed so crazy to keep her from using the same type of mirror that one of my Wardens went through with Morrigan, clearly the mirrors are powerful and cool, and not bad at all as the others were acting like they were. The whole thing honestly made me wonder if the keeper was under the influence of that demon all along, and trying to keep her from using the mirror for that very reason, because it didn't want Merrill to have access to it. That would certainly have made more sense than the alternative, that somehow the keeper was just afraid of the mirror for no good reason at all. Certainly the way the whole camp just attacks you suggests they too were under the influence of evil, and not of their right minds. But who knows .

[tmp7704]

SirGladiator wrote...

again if you've played DAO you know that Morrigan used a similar mirror, she wasn't even a blood mage, and the mirror was a good thing, a tool for achieving her goals.

Two caveats: one, Morrigan achieving her goal doesn't have to equal a good thing. And two, Morrigan did something to make the mirror work. She says i'd difficult iirc, and for all we know it could have well been blood magic, it's not like Morrigan is ignorant when it comes to that.

[Xilizhra]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ok what Merrill bashing has been going on? Is it the usual "She's a complete ****** and blood magic is evil" diatribe I see often enough?

Yep. It's pretty much all they have.

Interesting thought: if Avernus' theories are correct, blood magic and the darkspawn may also be quite a good way to get rid of demons.