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[IMNWME]

Saw this build posted in another thread, and I'm curious about it.  This is what I'm thinking.

Squad Disruptor Ammo
Cryo Ammo 1 (Husk killer)
Incinerate 2
AI Hacking 3
Assassination Cloak
Agent
Enhanced Dominate (to compensate for the fall-down time)


I'm going to run this build, regardless, but I'm unsure about weapon choices.  I dunno whether to take SG training (for GPS) or AR (for the Mattock).  I'm thinking GPS, just because Mattock works better with Cryo Ammo, but I'm open to suggestions!

[Kronner]

I think Dominate is useless for an Infiltrator. That class already has a lot of firepower and CC powers (Cryo Ammo in particular), Dominate would only slow you down.
I'd take GPS over Mattock any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Modifié par Kronner, 04 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[termokanden]

Well the point of the build is to control things, not just to kill them.

But yeah I agree with GPS for this build. It's excellent at destroying defenses so you can Dominate/Hack. And of course you can exploit the Charge/Cloak combination if you want.

[Kronner]

Cryo ammo is good enough CC power IMHO.

I think Dominate is not very good unless you are really, really patient player.

[termokanden]

That was also my experience. Why on earth doesn't it just work immediately? I had to swap it with something else.

But I can't deny it's powerful. I had 4-5 enemies distracted at once with one dominate.

[lazuli]

Kronner wrote...

Cryo ammo is good enough CC power IMHO.

I think Dominate is not very good unless you are really, really patient player.

Agreed.  AI Hacking is much more tempting even if there are more organics than synthetics in the game, as it takes effect immediately.

[IMNWME]

Well, despite the naysayers, I tried out Ghost Shepard anyways... and it's pretty amazing. No-death run through Korlus on NG+ w/ no upgrades. Dominate grunts, not elites. Your grunts are like Drones, they're there to soak enemy fire while you Cloak-Shotgun your way through the level. You want them to be under your control as long as possible, and Dominate wears off too quickly on elites. I'm using the Viper, so I don't really Cloak-snipe. I prefer to just abuse the time dilation. I don't really position or flank with this build, it's more of a straightforward advance.

Much thanks to OniGanon about the GPS charging trick. You can safely charge the GPS from behind low cover as long as you're not facing the enemy!

[IMNWME]

No-death run through Purgatory, no upgrades. Hilarious! Both Miranda and Jacob died in the second long room, but I perma-Hacked the YMIR until it killed every other enemy in the room. Was it at all efficient? Not a chance. But it was an absolute blast.

I'm actually liking this build. It's way more versatile than the Engineer version, thanks to having access to both Sniper Rifles and Shotguns. Cloak, of course, helps too. Thinking of running the Capacitor gear for the quicker shield regen.

[Kronner]

For the record, I only said Dominate is too slow/redundant. It is still pretty powerful*, if you don't mind waiting in cover until Dominate actually starts to work.

But I still maintain that Squad Cryo Ammo + Viper + Zoom Time Slowdown is far better CC combo than Dominate, and it consumes no cooldown to boot.

I think Energy Drain is a far better choice. Strip shields + Sniper zoom -> time slowdown + freeze with Viper = awesome CC.

And since you have Dominate already, I think you wouldn't mind respecing to Reave for Collector missions.

Sniper Zoom Time Slowdown is one of the most powerful "powers" in the game IMHO.


*actually, I think it was your Engineer + Dominate build that I had so much fun with for a while. But with the Infiltrator it just doesn't work for me, since I have better options at my disposal IMHO.

Modifié par Kronner, 05 mai 2011 - 11:16 .

[termokanden]

Yeah I don't really think I'm a "naysayer" either. I did say above it's quite powerful. But you have to wonder why it doesn't work right away like Hacking.

Also agreed about the slowdown. I'm abusing it like crazy on my infiltrator.

[IMNWME]

I dunno, I haven't noticed any dramatic decrease in killing speed. First strike with Viper, kill a couple enemies, Dominate, run in and Cloak-Shotgun at leisure. Keep Shotgunning while everybody's distracted from your thrall, using squad CC as needed.

Btw, the Capacitor gear is really nice for an Infiltrator. 20% faster shield regen is def noticeable, especially because Cloak halts regen.

[IMNWME]

Okay, no-death run on Horizon on Level 30 Insanity. Probably the easiest run I've had thus far too. Squad mates were Miranda (w/ Heavy Warp) and Grunt (w/ Squad Incendiary). Tactical Cloak really messes with Harbinger. He starts walking towards me, gets confused when I disappear, then eats a hail of bullets from my team.

Also, Dominate is actually really effective here, especially if you Dominate Assassins. You have to take it to rank 4 (Enhanced) to really see its benefits though. That buys you enough time for your cool-down to recharge and Cloak. Plus, it's hilarious whenever Harbinger assumes control, only for me to do the same to the guy standing next to him.

An aside on Dominate: be careful. You can't Dominate more than one enemy at a time. If you do, the first one will no longer be under your control, but still have the Barrier you gave him. This is no good.

EDIT: Oh yeah, good looks to everybody for suggesting the GPS.  A charged GPS shot under Cloak does monstrous damage (one shots elites w/ Shield Piercing!).  The ability to charge it from behind low cover makes it almost broken.  Almost.

Modifié par IMNWME, 06 mai 2011 - 05:24 .

[IMNWME]

Okay, changed things up a bit. Maybe this is just a play-style issue, but I found AI Hacking 3 was slowing me down a lot. So I dropped two ranks of it and started using it as an instant-kill for mechs in health. I also found squad Disruptor CC to be somewhat lacking on most non-Geth related missions, so I dropped it down to rank 3 and grabbed Squad Cryo instead. New build.

Disruptor Ammo 3
Squad Cryo Ammo
Incinerate 2
AI Hacking 1
Assassin Cloak
Agent
Enhanced Dominate

Enhanced Dominate is really good on this build. Really. I don't even notice it interfering with Tactical Cloak, because I use TC mostly for backstab Shotgun kills. Because I'm using the Viper, I find it better to just chain together sniper time dilations and save my cool-down for Dominate, and then TC once my distraction is in play.

No death DCS run (platforms were a lot of fun!) and no death Thane RM. I ran through both missions several times, just trying to get a feel for the build, and it's definitely both quicker and safer due to Squad Cryo. I put Cryo on all my weapons except the GPS because it's terrible at ammo power proc. For the GPS, I use Disruptor rank 3, just to boost its already insane damage vs. shields.

Some funny moments too, mostly on DCS. At one point on the platforms, I lost track of a Drone, and after I Cloak-Shotgunned an Assassin to death, I found myself being shot at while still in health and everybody on cool-down. I should've bought it right there, but then Harbinger possessed him, leading to the takeover animation which saved my life, lol. Also, in the room right before the Praetorian, I killed everyone but Harbinger and the Drone standing next to him. I Dominated the Drone and then stood there and watched while he shot Harbinger to death. Hilarity.

[termokanden]

Hmm still quite interested in this. I only have half of Overlord left on my current infiltrator and I can't get enough of the class for some reason. Improved Hacking is insanely good in that mission by the way.

But honestly the low ranks of Incinerate and Hacking in your build scare me a bit. Incinerate is really a core power for me.

[IMNWME]

termo - I promise you won't even miss Incinerate w/ this build. Really. If I could avoid putting points into it at all, I would, and dump those into AI Hacking so I wouldn't have to respec for Geth missions. I'm still pretty stubborn about not respec'ing tho, so we'll see how Hacking 1 does on Haestrom.

Finished Garrus' LM. Really smooth run, was pretty happy.

[mcsupersport]

I will tell you that in Arrival you will have major issues with Dominate in some areas. Well at least for me, I had major issues with some of the areas, with the guys getting the barrier and still attacking me even if they were the only one I dominated. This seemed to be reserved for a couple of rooms, and the final "sprint out area". All and all, I loved my Engineer controller, and can't wait to see how your Infiltrator dominator works in the end.

[termokanden]

Then again there are so many issues in Arrival anyway. Like I said in another thread, my Vanguard's Charge got me stuck under an elevator, and my Infiltrator's class passive suddenly stopped working.

[IMNWME]

Yea, I ran my Total Control Engineer through Arrival, and learned a wee bit late that Dominate doesn't function properly there. It's alright, it's only one DLC.

Just did Samara's RM. Final boss battle was fun as always. I Dominated Wasea after using Cloak- Particle Beam to rip off protections, and then just followed behind her as she went around blasting her own minions with the Claymore. After a couple waves, though, I realized the mook spawns are infinite until she's dead, so I possessed a Sisterhood Initiate who finished her off for me. Love doing that. Squadmates were Thane/Miranda.

[AK404]

IMNWME, while I don't hold the TC Infiltrator in much regard (I love shooting things too much to bother), I have taken valuable lessons here and there from your build.

For example, it suddenly hit me that any area with a YMIR in it is simply begging for an AI Hacking build. I am not sure how this little tidbit of information got past my brain.

[termokanden]

I'm making one of these infiltrators for sure, but I'm still stuck on the build. Basically I want one with both Hacking and Dominate. One build has maxed out Hacking and Dominate but the cost is only getting rank 3 Disruptor and not getting far with Incinerate and Cryo Ammo.

I have other variants in mind with maxed Incinerate but then only rank 3 Hacking/Dominate. But basically I'm still stuck not knowing what I want.

Well I know exactly what I can't, but the prerequisites won't let me. I want Squad Cryo and maxed Hacking, Dominate, Agent, and Assassin Cloak. They really dropped the ball with these 2 required ranks, considering how much you can waste your time with a low rank of a power. Well that's my opinion anyway.

[Kronner]

termokanden wrote...

I'm making one of these infiltrators for sure, but I'm still stuck on the build. Basically I want one with both Hacking and Dominate. One build has maxed out Hacking and Dominate but the cost is only getting rank 3 Disruptor and not getting far with Incinerate and Cryo Ammo.

I have other variants in mind with maxed Incinerate but then only rank 3 Hacking/Dominate. But basically I'm still stuck not knowing what I want.

Well I know exactly what I can't, but the prerequisites won't let me. I want Squad Cryo and maxed Hacking, Dominate, Agent, and Assassin Cloak. They really dropped the ball with these 2 required ranks, considering how much you can waste your time with a low rank of a power. Well that's my opinion anyway.

I'd drop Cloak to rank 2/4 if I were you. With this build, Cloak is not used to maximize damage anyway, and rank 2 is good enough for most situations IMHO.
Agreed about prerequisities though..it sucks.

Modifié par Kronner, 08 mai 2011 - 10:09 .

[termokanden]

Hmm yeah, it's half a second of difference in the duration. Don't really like not maxing my class special ability, but I agree that it makes sense here.

[IMNWME]

AK404 wrote...

IMNWME, while I don't hold the TC Infiltrator in much regard (I love shooting things too much to bother), I have taken valuable lessons here and there from your build.

For example, it suddenly hit me that any area with a YMIR in it is simply begging for an AI Hacking build. I am not sure how this little tidbit of information got past my brain.

AK, glad to help!

I actually really like shooting things too (unless I'm Dominating enemies for lulz).  With my new build, I wanted to achieve a nice balance of killing speed and CC.  You want to Dominate enemies with rapid-firing weapons for maximum DPS, which is why standard mooks with their Avengers are so nice.  Another favorite target is Blue Suns commanders, b/c they carry around Revenants (0_0).

termo, AI Hacking doesn't need to go beyond rank 1, I promise, although I am interested in your Cloak 2 build.  I just ran through Haestrom with Garrus/Kasumi and their dual Overloads.  AI Hacking 1 functions nicely as a distraction, allowing me multiple shots with the GPS out of cover.  Plus, with all upgrades and the Agent passive, it lasts long enough for you to Hack a second target!  I didn't even use Cloak, except as a damage multiplier against the Primes and the Colossus.  Cloaked Particle Beam does crazy damage, I don't even carry the Cain around anymore.

EDIT: Btw, the best fire team for this build is two squad-mates with defense stripping powers.  Miranda is in my squad a lot, but many other teammates make guest appearances.  Combat classes don't add as much thanks to Squad Cryo, though Concussive Blast is always nice.

Modifié par IMNWME, 08 mai 2011 - 10:48 .

[termokanden]

Well I've got a build in mind so here we go. We'll see how this works. In any case I want an infiltrator with Shotguns/Viper.

[IMNWME]

The only build suggestion I would really emphasize is taking Dominate to rank 4 (Enhanced). It's the only way you'll get maximum utility out of it (b/c non-Blood Pack organics tend to be way less aggressive than synthetic enemies). Otherwise, I'm eager to hear how it does!