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[Terror_K]

After reading Laidlaw's comments in the May Game Informer that's what I've decided. As long as this guy is in charge and continues to think without apology that DA2 was a step in the right direction I have no interest in the Dragon Age universe any more. And if his opinions on what happened to DA2, what those of us who feel it's "dumbed down" should think and do, and where RPGs are going now are indicative and representative of BioWare as a whole, then I get the feeling once ME3 is out the door I'll be done with BioWare as a company too.

You guys brought me in with Baldur's Gate, and I've bought almost every one of your games since. I've been a long and loyal fan and sung your praises for over a decade, but the last few years have felt like a betrayal, first with Mass Effect 2 becoming "Fisher Price: My First RPG" and more recently with the shallow, mainstreamlined abomination that is Dragon Age 2. And what bothers me more is not the fact of how disappointing the game was, but that the people behind it can't even admit to its faults and one of the main guys in charge has the gall to constantly imply that it's our fault and that he and his team could do no wrong.

Sorry, but enough is enough. I can only be loyal and respectful to a company for so long, and when they seem to constantly and without apology stab me in the back, it gets to a point where I just say, "no more!" If you're going to give me the middle-finger for no other reason than to appeal to a more mainstream, action-oriented audience then I can give it right back and walk away.

So that's it. For me the entire Dragon Age IP consists of merely two novels, one game and an expansion. A shame, since it had so much potential, only to be wasted with retooling and rebooting. PM me in a few years if you stop pandering to the mainstream and start making deep RPGs again instead of dumbing everything down for the masses. If you want me back I'll probably be wandering somewhere between Bethesda and Obsidian. They may not quite deserve the worship that BioWare once did, but they sure deserve my time and money more than they do at the moment.

Ironic that a company that so cherises such things as morality and loyalty can't even practice what it preaches...

BioWare +50 Renegade points
Terror_K disapproves -50
Loyalty Lost

Modifié par Terror_K, 04 mai 2011 - 12:36 .

[KazenoKoe]

While this post servers almost nothing,I can't say I don't feel you,mon.

[Zombie Slap]

I agree. I saw it coming and did not even bother to buy that game. I never thought Bioware would become something so distinct to what it once was. It will probably never cover unless some people's twisted vision is replaced by actual gamers themselves. In before the thread lock, lol.

[TheTranzor]

Tears on your pillow.

[neppakyo]

There was another thread about this, somewhere here.

Here's a quip from said interview, bolded part that riled up quite a few people.. oh, inb4lock.

Mike Laidlaw spewed....

GI: What would you say to the PC gamer who feels like Dragon Age II was "dumbed down" compared to Origins?

ML:   I would suggest that they play on Hard, frankly. Origins on normal delivered a pretty painful experience on the PC if you were new to RPGs, and I firmly believe that it turned people off. There's a very clear "skill gap" between someone new to Dragon Age II and a returning Origins player, and I think it's very easy to forget how steep that learning curve could be once you've overcome it.As such, we've made the early game quests and encounters more forgiving, especially on normal, to help someone just getting their feet under them acclimate. Hard, however, presents a solid, and consistent challenge to
veterans, and one where I think teamwork, pause-and-play, and smart thinking are all quite important

Modifié par neppakyo, 04 mai 2011 - 12:51 .

[Nimpe]

Oh, I get it. You used the disapproves phrases from Bioware games in the end to show you disapprove of this!

[Nashiktal]

Oh this thread again.

[-Skorpious-]

Just finished reading the interview (I bought the mag just to "own" the ME3 screens) and was shocked when reading the following -

GI: What would you say to a PC gamer who feel Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down compared to Origins?
Mike Laidlaw: I would suggest they play on hard.

...What? If someone criticizes your work, you don't tell them they need to 'remove the handicap' to enjoy your product. Frankly, thats just insulting.

Whoops, Neppakyo beat me to it. =p

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 04 mai 2011 - 12:55 .

[Terror_K]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Just finished reading the interview (I bought the mag just to "own" the ME3 screens) and was shocked when reading the following -

GI: What would you say to a PC gamer who feel Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down compared to Origins?
Mike Laidlaw: I would suggest they play on hard.

...What? If someone criticizes your work, you don't tell them they need to 'remove the handicap' to enjoy your product. Frankly, thats just insulting.

Whoops, Neppakyo beat me to it. =p

Yeah... and that was pretty much the straw that broke the camels back for me. That and his comments slightly earlier that basically say, "there won't be traditional BG/DAO style RPGs any more, they'll all just be action-RPGs now" when it comes down to it.

I mean honestly... like upping the difficulty suddenly adds more depth, choice and tactics to your incredibly shallow game. <_< I'm sure it erases those repeated dungeons, increases the game length and allows me to choose elf and dwarf suddenly too.

[neppakyo]

-Skorpious- wrote...
Whoops, Neppakyo beat me to it. =p

Yeah, it was in quite a few threads, just did a quick google for the interview to paste the part that pissed a lot of people off.

He does talk about how "I want" and "I enjoy", insinuating that he lead the track of the game to his personal preferences for gaming, and not the majority of fans.

[lazuli]

Yeah, the game is terrible, but you don't need to take it personally.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Join the club OP. Lets make our wallets speak next time, its the only language Laidlaw and EA understand.

[JeddaiNyte]

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

[Elhanan]

@ OP

Much like yourself, I was brought to Bioware games via NWN1, and have played many of them since. And I can empathize that when someone becomes disppointed in a product or employee, this would create frustration and a need to do something to change it. And leaving the brand appears to be the tact you have chosen.

However, I think you are wrong to attempt to punish the entire company and maybe commonity for your perceived actions of one, or a single product in which you find displeasure. Personally, I hope you enjoy ME3, and if your anger wanes, then scan the forums occasionally to look for games in which you may find better suited to your desires.

Good luck moving forward!

Modifié par Elhanan, 04 mai 2011 - 01:10 .

[Anathemic]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Just finished reading the interview (I bought the mag just to "own" the ME3 screens) and was shocked when reading the following -

GI: What would you say to a PC gamer who feel Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down compared to Origins?
Mike Laidlaw: I would suggest they play on hard.

...What? If someone criticizes your work, you don't tell them they need to 'remove the handicap' to enjoy your product. Frankly, thats just insulting.

Whoops, Neppakyo beat me to it. =p

Agreed, this quote shows LAidlaw, as quite frankly, a douche.

Inb4 EA ban

[neppakyo]

Elhanan wrote...

@ OP

Much like yourself, I was brought to Bioware games via NWN1, and have played many of them since. And I can empathize that when someone becomes disppointed in a product or employee, this would create frustration and a need to do something to change it. And leaving the brand appears to be the tact you have chosen.

However, I think you are wrong to attempt to punish the entire company and maybe commonity for your perceived actions of one, or a single product in which you find displeasure. Persoanlly, I hope you enjoy ME3, and if your anger wanes, then scan the forums occasionally to look for games in which you may find better suited to your desires.

Good luck moving forward!

To the bolded. I will be getting ME3, just not as a pre-order or a first day buy. I'll wait for the price drop before I pick it up, and check out user reviews. If the majority of reviews for ME3 are postive, then I may buy it not long after launch. DA2 taught me a wait and see approach to Bioware games. Laidlaw is to blame for that.

I did enjoy ME2, its a series I don't expect much RPG from. If in ME3 they put back RPG elements, all the better. ME2 was a better designed game than DA2, and 10x more enjoyable.

[Terror_K]

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

I never said it was original. In fact, the fact that it isn't speaks far more volumes than it would it it were an isolated post. As far as I'm concerned the more threads like this, the better. Maybe then something with actually sink in. Probably not tnough... BioWare will probably be fine and dandy with losing a bunch of long loyal former fans as long as they get their new ones. But then, when it comes to DA2, I'm not entirely sure they're even doing that.

[slimgrin]

Well, there's always Mass Effect 3...I hope.

[Merced652]

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

IRONY, YOU HAS NO CLUE

[Nimpe]

Laidlaw... I just reallly like that last name. Rolls off the toungue good.

[Ramus Quaritch]

I will be with Bioware guaranteed until the Mass Effect series ends. After that, it will depend on the games they are making. As streamlined as Mass Effect 2 was, I can forgive that somewhat because it was a science fiction setting and those typically have more shooting, which is harder to make as a roleplaying game. But the Dragon Age series was supposed to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. Mike Laidlaw and EA, however, wanted to bring in the larger gaming audience and completely changed the identity of the series. Dragon Age 2 lacked much of the roleplaying complexity of the previous game. It made me wonder if Bioware will every make an rpg again. I'm not sure, especially because of EA's influence.

[Maria Caliban]

Terror_K wrote...

Terror_K disapproves -50
Loyalty Lost

You can't lose loyalty. If a companion in DA II is loyal they're... loyal.

This is something most 'loyal' BioWare fans fail to grasp.

[ObserverStatus]

The IP is dead to you? That makes me so sad!

Modifié par bobobo878, 04 mai 2011 - 01:32 .

[devSin]

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

neppakyo wrote...

To the bolded. I will be getting ME3, just not as a pre-order or a first day buy. I'll wait for the price drop before I pick it up, and check out user reviews. If the majority of reviews for ME3 are postive, then I may buy it not long after launch. DA2 taught me a wait and see approach to Bioware games. Laidlaw is to blame for that.

I did enjoy ME2, its a series I don't expect much RPG from. If in ME3 they put back RPG elements, all the better. ME2 was a better designed game than DA2, and 10x more enjoyable.

+1.