331 réponses à ce sujet

[Merced652]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Terror_K disapproves -50
Loyalty Lost

You can't lose loyalty. If a companion in DA II is loyal they're... loyal.

This is something most 'loyal' BioWare fans fail to grasp.

Really? So you're telling me its impossible to be loyal at point A, but due to circumstances not be loyal by point B? Its totally binary? So at the point where you are not loyal that creates a vortex in the time-space continuum making it so that at no point you were ever loyal.

Cool, good to know. I'll have to write the HC and a lot of history professors about how benedict arnold was in fact never dedicated or loyal to the cause of independence and that there were no circumstances that lead him to become disillusioned. I learn so much on these forums. :innocent:

Modifié par Merced652, 04 mai 2011 - 01:34 .

[Duchess of Dumb Fries]

Terror_K wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Just finished reading the interview (I bought the mag just to "own" the ME3 screens) and was shocked when reading the following -

GI: What would you say to a PC gamer who feel Dragon Age 2 was dumbed down compared to Origins?
Mike Laidlaw: I would suggest they play on hard.

...What? If someone criticizes your work, you don't tell them they need to 'remove the handicap' to enjoy your product. Frankly, thats just insulting.

Whoops, Neppakyo beat me to it. =p

Yeah... and that was pretty much the straw that broke the camels back for me. That and his comments slightly earlier that basically say, "there won't be traditional BG/DAO style RPGs any more, they'll all just be action-RPGs now" when it comes down to it.

I mean honestly... like upping the difficulty suddenly adds more depth, choice and tactics to your incredibly shallow game. <_< I'm sure it erases those repeated dungeons, increases the game length and allows me to choose elf and dwarf suddenly too.

Christ for the last time DA2 is not an action rpg nor are action elements responsible for why it's so bad:pinched: On a side note I did not find DA2 easier at all for the most part, mostly thanks to the infinite-rooftop-army™. Oh and oh also companions that spasm and forget what they wanted to do everytime they're hit with an arrow.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

@OP, What if someone like Brent Knowles take over DA project in future? Would you not give it a chance? I say wait for DA 3 development announcement. If it's still under Mike Laidlaw and his vision of 180 degree turn to what makes an RPG instead of a GTA or Dynasty Warrior/Jade Empire game, then I suggest it's time to move on.

[ODST 5723]

I didn't enjoy DA:O at all. I loved ME1 and found ME2 to be in many ways an improvement, but a step in right direction even through there were some areas that they cut a but too heavy in. I'm more than ready for ME3.

As for DA2, I liked it. It felt a bit like ME1, but they could have made the combat more pleasing with some control changes and more active combat options including a heavy attack and a special attack in addition to your combat abilities/powers. A block button would also have been nice in place of perhaps a special attack. Could it have used some deeper customization and loot? Sure. Could the story have been longer? Sure. Could there have been more diversity in choice? Sure. But I liked Hawke and his family and I was able to get into his role just as deeply as I got into my Shepard.

[lazuli]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Terror_K disapproves -50
Loyalty Lost

You can't lose loyalty. If a companion in DA II is loyal they're... loyal.

This is something most 'loyal' BioWare fans fail to grasp.

You can't gain renegade points in DA2 either.  The loyalty loss and the renegade points can both occur in Mass Effect 2, though.  In any event, that's not the point.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

@OP, What if someone like Brent Knowles take over DA project in future? Would you not give it a chance? I say wait for DA 3 development announcement. If it's still under Mike Laidlaw and his vision of 180 degree turn to what makes an RPG instead of a GTA or Dynasty Warrior/Jade Empire game, then I suggest it's time to move on.

AFAIK, Knowles is not interested in coming back to game design/writing.

In any case, it's far too early to claim that the IP is dead.

Just wait and see how things go during Dragon Age 3's development (if there is one).

[marshalleck]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

@OP, What if someone like Brent Knowles take over DA project in future? Would you not give it a chance? I say wait for DA 3 development announcement. If it's still under Mike Laidlaw and his vision of 180 degree turn to what makes an RPG instead of a GTA or Dynasty Warrior/Jade Empire game, then I suggest it's time to move on.

Considering Mr. Knowles no longer works at Bioware I'd say the chances of him taking charge of Dragon Age 3 (as if it will even be made at this point) are nil. 

[marshalleck]

mrcrusty wrote...

In any case, it's far too early to claim that the IP is dead.

Just wait and see how things go during Dragon Age 3's development (if there is one).

I like how the second sentence quoted here invalidates the first. Acknowledging there may not be a Dragon Age 3 validates concerns the IP may not see any more full-length game development. Because let's face it, if Dragon Age 2 had been a smashing success, a third game would be a given. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 mai 2011 - 01:52 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

IP is dead to me =/= IP is dead.

The first statement is a subjective evaluation on the perceived direction of the franchise. Whereas the second is an objective statement as to whether EA wants the franchise to continue.

Don't be coy, you know what the OP meant.

[Computer_God91]

Terror_K wrote...

After reading Laidlaw's comments in the May Game Informer that's what I've decided. As long as this guy is in charge and continues to think without apology that DA2 was a step in the right direction I have no interest in the Dragon Age universe any more. And if his opinions on what happened to DA2, what those of us who feel it's "dumbed down" should think and do, and where RPGs are going now are indicative and representative of BioWare as a whole, then I get the feeling once ME3 is out the door I'll be done with BioWare as a company too.

You guys brought me in with Baldur's Gate, and I've bought almost every one of your games since. I've been a long and loyal fan and sung your praises for over a decade, but the last few years have felt like a betrayal, first with Mass Effect 2 becoming "Fisher Price: My First RPG" and more recently with the shallow, mainstreamlined abomination that is Dragon Age 2. And what bothers me more is not the fact of how disappointing the game was, but that the people behind it can't even admit to its faults and one of the main guys in charge has the gall to constantly imply that it's our fault and that he and his team could do no wrong.

Sorry, but enough is enough. I can only be loyal and respectful to a company for so long, and when they seem to constantly and without apology stab me in the back, it gets to a point where I just say, "no more!" If you're going to give me the middle-finger for no other reason than to appeal to a more mainstream, action-oriented audience then I can give it right back and walk away.

So that's it. For me the entire Dragon Age IP consists of merely two novels, one game and an expansion. A shame, since it had so much potential, only to be wasted with retooling and rebooting. PM me in a few years if you stop pandering to the mainstream and start making deep RPGs again instead of dumbing everything down for the masses. If you want me back I'll probably be wandering somewhere between Bethesda and Obsidian. They may not quite deserve the worship that BioWare once did, but they sure deserve my time and money more than they do at the moment.

Ironic that a company that so cherises such things as morality and loyalty can't even practice what it preaches...

BioWare +50 Renegade points
Terror_K disapproves -50
Loyalty Lost

I feel this way about ME all the time, I hate what happened to the series and I am basically hoping for ME3 to redeem it. Failing that I think I'll be done with Bioware after that cause I do share your dislike of Biowares new broad appeal ideas. DA2 failed to me and that sequel celebration was utter bullsh!t cause I already owned ME2 for PC. I told one of my friends I'd have been happier with a damn refund. What pisses me off most about ME2 is that it's devs believe it to be the best representitive of the series when I just hate it and the first was clearly better.

TBH I wish I had never bought DA2, wont buy DA3 and if ME3 fails for me then wont buy Bioware games as a whole. Don't let these other people tell you you're stupid for thinking that Bioware is the unfailible RPG god and it can do no wrong cause they clearly have recently. Such a shame the crowd that Bioware attracts is one that's pockets will empty at the sight of the next cool thing and the fact that that crowd supports copy cat gameplay. ME3 is already showing signs of it.

Shame when you buy a game and feel like you've wasted money when I was in a position where I had to buy ME1 3 times and felt no such feeling...

[neppakyo]

ODST 5723 wrote...

As for DA2, I liked it. It felt a bit like ME1, but they could have made the combat more pleasing with some control changes and more active combat options including a heavy attack and a special attack in addition to your combat abilities/powers. A block button would also have been nice in place of perhaps a special attack.  

And this is why a lot of RPG fans rip their hair out due to comments like this.

DA2 is like ME. Mission accomplished, laidlaw. Mission effing accomplished.

<_<

[Last Darkness]

Elhanan wrote...

@ OP

Much like yourself, I was brought to Bioware games via NWN1, and have played many of them since. And I can empathize that when someone becomes disppointed in a product or employee, this would create frustration and a need to do something to change it. And leaving the brand appears to be the tact you have chosen.

However, I think you are wrong to attempt to punish the entire company and maybe commonity for your perceived actions of one, or a single product in which you find displeasure. Personally, I hope you enjoy ME3, and if your anger wanes, then scan the forums occasionally to look for games in which you may find better suited to your desires.

Good luck moving forward!

My thoughts as well, though I guess im in the minority who liked DA2.
Personaly I love Biowares experimentation with their differant mediums, it helps prevent the stagnation many other game companies and IPs are prone too.

[Zjarcal]

"Betrayal"... "stab me in the back"... "give me the middle finger"... "worship"... could the OP be any more overdramatic?

If you don't want to keep buying Bioware's games go ahead. Tis the normal thing to do when a company's products no longer satisfy you.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 mai 2011 - 02:27 .

[Merced652]

Last Darkness wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

@ OP

Much like yourself, I was brought to Bioware games via NWN1, and have played many of them since. And I can empathize that when someone becomes disppointed in a product or employee, this would create frustration and a need to do something to change it. And leaving the brand appears to be the tact you have chosen.

However, I think you are wrong to attempt to punish the entire company and maybe commonity for your perceived actions of one, or a single product in which you find displeasure. Personally, I hope you enjoy ME3, and if your anger wanes, then scan the forums occasionally to look for games in which you may find better suited to your desires.

Good luck moving forward!

My thoughts as well, though I guess im in the minority who liked DA2.
Personaly I love Biowares experimentation with their differant mediums, it helps prevent the stagnation many other game companies and IPs are prone too.

Its like you almost quoted laidlaw word for word. 

[marshalleck]

Regarding the original post, I feel the same way. I don't think a Dragon Age 3 is going to be made and frankly I'm not even interested in it anyways. I won't play TOR as I don't care about MMOs, and ME3 is the only other project Bioware is working on that I know of. And given their new direction I'm pretty sure I'm done with them after Mass Effect concludes. Terror_K we have disagreed quite a bit in the past but I'm totally with you on this one. I have no interest in this moronic tripe Bioware seem intent on shoveling out, thinking it's going to attract some huge new audience. They're delusional. There are plenty of good indie games if you dig around that aren't RPGs, but they are clever and entertaining and worth my time and money. 

Not like matters much in the big picture anyways though, since TOR is going to flop and tank the company along with it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 mai 2011 - 02:22 .

[Elhanan]

Last Darkness wrote...

My thoughts as well, though I guess im in the minority who liked DA2.
Personaly I love Biowares experimentation with their differant mediums, it helps prevent the stagnation many other game companies and IPs are prone too.

After 4E unveiled itself, I made a sim move as the OP, and gave up any further dealings with D&D franchise. And based on the way certain companies mishandled the NWN1 Premium mods, I was quite pleased and excited for Bioware and the new DA franchise. Still am. And I do not believe we are the minority, but more of a less vocal majority, IMO.

So I am somewhat understanding when a sim call to personally boycott a product is made, though I try and refrain from making it from an emotional stance. It does not appear to do much good for either side.

Modifié par Elhanan, 04 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[hoorayforicecream]

devSin wrote...

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Chocolates and sensual massage have always worked for me. 

On topic... if you don't like it, don't buy it. I like DA2, and I'll more than likely buy DA3 as well. Being overly dramatic is just a silly waste of energy. There are so many more productive things you could be doing than complaining on a forum about a game you don't like, things that would actually make you happy.

Unless you're somehow getting joy out of hating on a game. Haters gonna hate, I suppose.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 04 mai 2011 - 02:28 .

[Elhanan]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

devSin wrote...

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Chocolates and sensual massage have always worked for me. 

Does she offer that? Sweet! *choco-pun intended*

[marshalleck]

Elhanan wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

My thoughts as well, though I guess im in the minority who liked DA2.
Personaly I love Biowares experimentation with their differant mediums, it helps prevent the stagnation many other game companies and IPs are prone too.

After 4E unveiled itself, I made a sim move as the OP, and gave up any further dealings with D&D franchise. And based on the way certain companies mishandled the NWN1 Premium mods, I was quite pleased and excited for Bioware and the new DA franchise. Still am. And I do not believe we are the minority, but more of a less vocal majority, IMO.

So I am somewhat understanding when a sim call to personally boycott a product is made, though I try and refrain from making it from an emotional stance. It does not appear to do much good for either side.

I just took a thorough look at the 4E rules not long ago, having not actually sat down for a D&D session since 2E was in its prime (yes I just dated myself). 

What a ****ing disaster. The guy in the shop said the exact same thing about 4E that people have been saying about Dragon Age 2: "if they had called it something else entirely and not tried to attach it to the D&D name, it would have had a much better reception."

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 mai 2011 - 02:28 .

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

devSin wrote...

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Chocolates and sensual massage have always worked for me. 

That's all it takes? She works me so much harder

[Maverick827]

The IP that BioWare has worked on for seven years and that you have known for a little over one year is dead to you? Yeah, that carries weight.

[Merced652]

Least Gary wasn't around to see 4E amirite?

[Emeraq]

I've said it before, but I'll weigh in again. I love and hate DA2. I hope Bioware gives us DLC's and expansions with more content than they gave in DA:O and hopefully right what is wrong with DA2... If they fail to do so, then I'll just have to wait and see how DA3 plays out, if there is a DA3, before I jump ship.

I will say the 'small ship' that was Bioware was a much better ship than the current EA Titanic, which I can only hope one day sinks.

[marshalleck]

Merced652 wrote...

Least Gary wasn't around to see 4E amirite?

I'm sure he's turning over in his grave. 

At least I've still got my 2E & Hero books boxed up somewhere. 

[devSin]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

devSin wrote...

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Chocolates and sensual massage have always worked for me. 

I was thinking more along the lines of flowers and bath salts. :-)