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[neppakyo]

Arken wrote...

The thing is that a good sequel should try to build on its predecessor. Our tone of voice changes when Hawke speaks. That was Dragon Age II's big innovation. That's it. Nothing new other than that. I mean there are good things. Crafting is improved, and so is the dog.

Although Mike Laidlaw literally said he chose to have repeated levels. I mean come on. Couldn't he have shifted resources away from all those fetch side-quests to hire a few more level designers. I expected a decent game and maybe a very good game. But some of the design choices were just plain dumb. Again regardless of how much extra money and time you gave Bioware certain things remain the same. Some things were clearly intentional, and that is what hurts the most. That a lot of dedicated developers slaved over this game for eighteen months to have their work amount to hate threads, and poor reviews. It's not fair for them. They tried.

I do agree with your points somewhat, and I said it before, its the LD's responsibility to take the praise/blame in a situation like this. I have nothing against the devs/writers at all, and I wish them luck. But DA2 was a lackluster game, and does deserve the flak its getting. Maybe it will inspire everyone to make the next game (which ever IP they work on) better than the last one they worked on.

Forgive my rambling, a bit tired and just finished hamburger helper.

[DAFerelden91]

Well,poor you.I still in mad love with Dragon Age 2,and oh well,maybe every Bioware games in future.
Am I being blind and foolish?So be it.

[Merced652]

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I have a post-game save.

Just loaded up orgins to check and indeed my last save is one i initiated myself before entering her room, and the last autosave is upon entering the dragonbone wastes. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mr.House wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Really? So you're telling me its impossible to be loyal at point A, but due to circumstances not be loyal by point B? Its totally binary?

"I bought a dozen games from you that I loved, but I don't like this one, so I'm finished with the IP," isn't loyalty. That's like saying you're loyal to your friends but only when they're fun to be around.

You and your friend share the good times. You stand with your friend in rough times. You can try to change your friend's mind if you think that he or she needs it. If you do that right then friendship and respect grows over the years. But a company is no friend. The company profits from your loyalty. The company may profit in the future from your feedback. However, if a company is not responding to you as a customer or is putting you aside because they found one with more to spend then the only thing left is voting with your wallet. To me the difference is clear.

If said friend is having a hard time and bad mouths me, then I will let them be until they are ready to talk.

It looks like Terror_K is voting with his wallet and posting about it in the hope to give that impact. A kind of a last resort in the hope to get some dialogue or some heads turned. It's too bad, because it just doesn't work and it feels like a melodramtic escape that will have the same impact as voting with your wallet without the fuzz.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 mai 2011 - 03:44 .

[Barefoot Warrior]

neppakyo wrote...

There was another thread about this, somewhere here.

Here's a quip from said interview, bolded part that riled up quite a few people.. oh, inb4lock.

Mike Laidlaw spewed....

GI: What would you say to the PC gamer who feels like Dragon Age II was "dumbed down" compared to Origins?

ML:   I would suggest that they play on Hard, frankly. Origins on normal delivered a pretty painful experience on the PC if you were new to RPGs, and I firmly believe that it turned people off. There's a very clear "skill gap" between someone new to Dragon Age II and a returning Origins player, and I think it's very easy to forget how steep that learning curve could be once you've overcome it.As such, we've made the early game quests and encounters more forgiving, especially on normal, to help someone just getting their feet under them acclimate. Hard, however, presents a solid, and consistent challenge to
veterans, and one where I think teamwork, pause-and-play, and smart thinking are all quite important

This doesn't make sense. Why should everyone play at the 'hard' level just to enjoy the game? Any game should be enjoyable to play at any level...or did I miss something? My blood pressure went up enough on 'normal', I'd probably would have fell over in my chair at a highier level. Not buying this one and what really burns me is...I did buy.  Thanks for posting this, first I heard of this one. 

[Bitterfoam]

Merced652 wrote...

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I have a post-game save.

Just loaded up orgins to check and indeed my last save is one i initiated myself before entering her room, and the last autosave is upon entering the dragonbone wastes. 

Did you ever bother to download the patched version of Witch Hunt?

[TEWR]

Merced652 wrote...

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I have a post-game save.

Just loaded up orgins to check and indeed my last save is one i initiated myself before entering her room, and the last autosave is upon entering the dragonbone wastes. 

did you check to see if you left autosave on?

[Merced652]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

*snipped my funny Mario pic*

If not, what about the fact that they're at least taking time to make good Story DLC? No? Ok, bye. 

 So many things wrong with that.

I don't really see how. They didn't like how they rushed development of the game, so they're taking time to make sure they at least get the DLC part right. That should speak enough about the staff. They could've just said "Well we rushed this game. Let's not even put any effort into the DLC. Not like it will matter anyway." But they didn't. So I fail to see what is wrong with that.

That remains to be seen. We haven't seen any dlc yet.

Well if they do rush this DLC that they're currently working on and it's an incredible pile of feces defecated from a bovine animal, then I suspect they will lose a lot of fans.


Also, what did people hate about DA:O story DLC? I've seen a lot of hatred and contempt shown for those, but I don't know why.

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I thought it did do an autosave immediately after the talk with her. I don't know. I will admit that the ending was fairly cheap. I like my Warden going through the Eluvian to raise his kid, but if that's all that there is then no I don't consider it the end of my Warden's story whether the devs say so or not. Especially when DA2 talks about the Warden's disappearance.

But if that's the only DLC people hated from Origins, then they are idiots for calling all Origins DLC crap when that was the only one they hated. The story for it was decent/good up until they made the Warden walk through the mirror and then just arbitrarily end it. So in the end, while I wasn't ecstatic about Witch Hunt, I was at least mildly satisfied, albeit disappointed as well.

how much did Witch Hunt cost though?

Think it was $7, i don't remember exactly i was too busy punching in my credit card number because it was morrigan and had to do with my warden. As far as the previous DLCs. I didn't mind them, i didn't think any were done particularly well either. I think they got a bad rap because of ME2's LotSB and Overlord. I personally didn't like kasumi but whatev. 

[uberdowzen]

neppakyo wrote...

There was another thread about this, somewhere here.

Here's a quip from said interview, bolded part that riled up quite a few people.. oh, inb4lock.

Mike Laidlaw spewed....

GI: What would you say to the PC gamer who feels like Dragon Age II was "dumbed down" compared to Origins?

ML:   I would suggest that they play on Hard, frankly. Origins on normal delivered a pretty painful experience on the PC if you were new to RPGs, and I firmly believe that it turned people off. There's a very clear "skill gap" between someone new to Dragon Age II and a returning Origins player, and I think it's very easy to forget how steep that learning curve could be once you've overcome it.As such, we've made the early game quests and encounters more forgiving, especially on normal, to help someone just getting their feet under them acclimate. Hard, however, presents a solid, and consistent challenge to
veterans, and one where I think teamwork, pause-and-play, and smart thinking are all quite important

Uh, why would that make you angry? To be totally honest, Origins was too hard. And if you can get a similar level of difficulty in DA2 by playing at hard why does that matter?

@ TC, you're talking about this question/answer I assume:

Mike Laidlaw the Fantastic speaked thus...

Do you see Dragon Age ever revisiting the traditional tactical gameplay found in Origins?
It
really depends on the definition of tactical. For some, it simply
means "slower." For others it means more complicated combat scenarios
and more engaging/challenging foes. To the former, I would say no. I
personally find the responsiveness and personality of the new combat
system to be much better for Dragon Age as a whole. My experience with
the game feels more like I'm in control, rather than issuing orders, and
that direct correlation to my actions is something I really enjoy.
This is speaking as a habitual PC pause-and-player.

If this is what you're talking about...um, OK. All he says there is that Dragon Age probably isn't going to go back to slower combat. Which really doesn't matter if you're playing it in the tactical pause and play approach.

[TEWR]

Origins was hard? Sorry, I found it way too easy. But that's just me.

[Everwarden]

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I don't have to pay my friends to spend time with me. If you do, I don't think they are really your friends.

Next you're going to say my girlfriend isn't my girlfriend because I pay to have sex with her.

You obviously don't truly value your friends!

I don't pay my girlfriend to have sex with her. If you think I'm not valuing her, I should rectify that immediately.

[Merced652]

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I have a post-game save.

Just loaded up orgins to check and indeed my last save is one i initiated myself before entering her room, and the last autosave is upon entering the dragonbone wastes. 

Did you ever bother to download the patched version of Witch Hunt?

You getting angry bro? 

Hmm lets see, i built a new machine, bought the ultimate edition for $20 because my initial steam version didn't come with shale. Seeing how the ultimate edition didn't even come out till well after WH got patch 1.1 i think its fair to say i was playing on the patched version. Whats next? Do i know where my power button is?

Modifié par Merced652, 04 mai 2011 - 03:49 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Everwarden wrote...
Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

Unpleasable Fanbase

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 04 mai 2011 - 03:50 .

[Everwarden]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Unpleasable Fanbase

No. 

[Merced652]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Everwarden wrote...
Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

Unpleasable Fanbase

Isn't that assuming he initially had a complaint about origins, and also that it was one of the things mike laidlawl "fixed?"

That you stan?

[Ashira Shepard]

If you actually read the description of the Trope...

"Basically, this is about a fanbase which is so varied and divided in opinion that it's impossible to give everyone in it what they want. "

[Lesdeth]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Unpleasable Fanbase

You actually think that the majority of the fanbase for this genre enjoyed playing DA2?  Recycled maps are a minute detail?  Seriously?

Wow...

Modifié par Lesdeth, 04 mai 2011 - 03:55 .

[Mr.House]

Everwarden wrote...

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

Just because it sucked for you does not mean it sucked for other people.

[Bitterfoam]

Merced652 wrote...

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Bitterfoam wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Did you not play Witch Hunt?

45 minutes of gameplay, no real "end to your warden's story" as was billed, AND the best was that there wasn't even a post game same to flag whether your warden went through the mirror, attempted to kill her, or anything else. The last save is before you even speak with her. So that 'awesome' story dlc didn't have much of a story at all and left a pretty bad taste in peoples mouth concerning the end of their warden's story. Particularly for those who did romance morrigan. 

I played Witch Hunt. I have a post-game save.

Just loaded up orgins to check and indeed my last save is one i initiated myself before entering her room, and the last autosave is upon entering the dragonbone wastes. 

Did you ever bother to download the patched version of Witch Hunt?

You getting angry bro? 

Hmm lets see, i built a new machine, bought the ultimate edition for $20 because my initial steam version didn't come with shale. Seeing how the ultimate edition didn't even come out till well after WH got patch 1.1 i think its fair to say i was playing on the patched version. Whats next? Do i know where my power button is?

A simple, concise question sounds angry? Um, okay.

You trying to seem cool, bro? 

I believe the initial release of Witch Hunt did not properly initiate the auto-save following completion of the DLC. This issue was fixed in the patch. Hence the question. Makes sense, no?

If you have the patch, then you should have a post-game save. If you do not, you are experiencing a problem that is outside normal operating conditions and thus not a factor of the game or design.

But while we're at it - do you know where the power button is? If you do, you could press it, and then you'd really be sticking it to the man, like the regular Rosa Parks you are!

[Merced652]

Lesdeth wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Unpleasable Fanbase

You actually think that the majority of the fanbase for this genre enjoyed playing DA2?  Recycled maps are a minute detail?  Seriously?

Wow...

Watch out, hes bout to hit you with confirmation bias!!!

[Lesdeth]

Mr.House wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

Just because it sucked for you does not mean it sucked for other people.

It sucked for the majority.  Hence the Metacritic raiting.

[Bitterfoam]

(And since I apparently have to define any questions or comments that you will not think them angry, that was not anger. That was condescending. )

[Mr.House]

Lesdeth wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

JeddaiNyte wrote...

Wow! What an original, insightful thread! Why aren't there more like this? /rolleyes

Know why there are so many threads like this?

I'll let you in on the secret: DA2 sucked. 

Just because it sucked for you does not mean it sucked for other people.

It sucked for the majority.  Hence the Metacritic raiting.

And ME2 has a high score and that game sucked. Rating mean nothing to me, Bioware will listen to proper critiism and proper reviews, not hyperbole and over the top whining.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 mai 2011 - 03:59 .

[Merced652]

Bitterfoam wrote...

(And since I apparently have to define any questions or comments that you will not think them angry, that was not anger. That was condescending. )

Which would be derived from your apparent anger at my dissent from your chosen disposition concerning this game. Sup?