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[Rockpopple]

There are a lot of little ponies on this forum.

[MassEffect762]

oldmansavage wrote...

I like their games a lot but I don't blindly support them.  I'm a consumer and I buy their product, I'm not their buddy. 

I suppose it all depends on your definition of fan.  Fan = Fanatical devotion or Fan = Enjoy their products?

What he said.

Silly kids.

[CaptainBlackGold]

I am not sure if the word "loyal" applies to me in regards to Bioware - but I have bought every one of their titles (except the Sonic one) from NWN on as well as almost all of the expansion packs for DAO and the ME series.

I do not believe Bioware owes me anything but I have come to expect a certain standard of interesting story, witty banter and fascinating characters. For what it is worth, I think DA2 was the weakest offering from them to date due to certain design decisions (no companion armor customization, ninja waves, unable to talk to companions outside of very narrow confines, etc).

While I tend to play mostly RPG's these days, other companies' offerings (Fallout, The Witcher) tend to be something to fill some spare time until another Bioware game comes on the market. So yeah, I was a little disappointed in DA2 because IMHO, it did not meet the high standards Bioware had previously set. But I do not feel "betrayed" or that my "trust" was violated - for me DA2 was just "OK" rather than "Brilliant!"

[Andraste_Reborn]

To BioWare as a company? Not really. There's still quite a few of their games I haven't even played, and one among those I have that I actively disliked. (No, not DA2. The Neverwinter Nights original campaign. Just ... don't get me started on that game.) I wouldn't buy something just because their name was on it - I certainly won't be getting TOR, for example.

To the Dragon Age franchise, though? I think I am at this point.While there are aspects of it that haven't caught my fancy (not interested in The Darkspawn Chronicles or FaceBook games) on the whole I've greatly enjoyed what they've done with it so far. Unless they make major changes I don't like, I see no reason I won't keep buying each new game, expansion or story-based DLC on release day.

Modifié par Andrastee, 04 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[Pathforge]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've seen a number of conversations where people have called themselves loyal BioWare fans but feel BioWare abused their trust with Dragon Age II. I was wondering how members of this board view their loyalty to BioWare and what they believe BioWare owes their loyal fans.

It occurred to me that I'm not a 'loyal' BioWare fan. If I were restricted to 4 games this year, it's very likely I'd have skipped DA II. I like BioWare games but I also tend to buy 10-15 games a year.

I've never thought that any BioWare game was perfect, and the games many seem to see as the best - Buldar's Gate 2 and Dragon Age: Origins - weren't fun for me. I don't think BioWare makes the best RPGs or the best type of RPGs, but there are elements that they do well that I love.

I don't see how Dragon Age 2 was an abuse of trust.  True that there were a lot of things I didn't like about it.  Quite a few bugs on the PC version (not sure about console versions) but over all I still liked the game, played it through twice and enjoyed it.

Perhaps the game was rushed because of deadlines?  Not sure how that works...   but I don't think I've every played a Bioware game where I felt like I wasted my time and money.  I still play KOTOR, still play Balder's Gate and Icewind Dale once in a while.  LOVED Mass Effect 1 and 2 and have played both multiple times.  

Just my opinion though...

[Snowship]

No, I don't.
But then I don't consider myself loyal to ANY company/corporation, game-related or not.

[RaenImrahl]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I'll pick Bioware every time.  For me it's the safer bet.  Now that particular set of conditions would never come about but when most things are equal Bioware's track record and name will win me over everytime.

When I go shopping, I'll usually get whatever is the least expensive of a type of item... except for those few brands I've come to trust (or learned to trust because I grew up with them).  Paper towels... whatever's cheapest.  Tuna... always buy the same name brand.  Ditto for peanut butter.  Same for ketchup. 

When Heinz repackages its ketchup in a new container, there's always something on the label that says-- "New look, same great stuff".  The problem is, with DA2, they did the opposite.  They said, essentially, "Same Dragon Age, new stuff inside!"  There's nothing wrong with that, but I think they ultimately did themselves a disservice, perception-wise, by calling it "Dragon Age II".  It's not a direct sequel, nor was it ment to be.  Better to have called it, "Dragon Age: Kirkwall" or something else.

For me, the brand is intact.  I recognize DA2's flaws, but I am not ready to put Bioware in the "paper towel" category yet.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 04 mai 2011 - 04:39 .

[ecbricco]

i guess id say im a fan i love most of theyre games and they have some of my favorite games but im more of if it looks good im buying it type and not really loyal to any company bioware just happens to make alot of my fav games lol

[craigdolphin]

I used to feel like a bit of a fanboi tbh. I've loved almost every game Bioware made (even JE), and DAO is my all time favorite game. I preordered and bought 2 copies (pc & xbox) of DAO, ME2, and DA2 so my wife and I could both play them at the same time.

I had concerns about DA2's direction pre-release. But ML made a post saying something along the lines of 'if you've loved our work in the past, haven't we earned a little trust?' (paraphrased) in response to some forum rumblings about the changes .

And I had to agree. Yes. They had earned it and, despite my misgivings, I didn't cancel my preorders as a direct consequence of that post.

Unfortunately, on this occasion the trust was not deserved IMO. So, in a way I do feel a bit betrayed. Next time a Bioware dev says 'trust us', I'm willing to do so only after I verify the situation through independent sources. That said, betrayed is a bit strong of a term. It is just a game. But I do feel like Bioware consciously chose to lift a middle finger in my general direction by changing the formula of the game to cater for an audience that had never previously shown any interest in Bioware's games. And yeah, that makes me feel a bit angry. And perhaps that indicates I'm feeling overly 'entitled' as some suggest? Or maybe it's simply that I have had strong emotional connections to Bioware games and I really hope to do so again in the future. I'm sure that Dave Gaider will explain why my 'legitimate feeling' of anger is actually caused by something entirely unrelated to what I currently think of as the cause. Who knows. I'm just a gamer so I can't possibly identify cause and effect. Confirmation bias, donchaknow.

Despite all this, oddly enough, some of the devs have actually increased their status in my eyes throughout this whole mess (*cough*John Epler*cough*). Obviously the same isn't true across the board IMO, but when there are seemingly level-headed devs like John Epler still working for the DA franchise I still have to harbor a smoldering ember of hope that DA can rise again from the ashes.

But it is going to take a serious change in direction to even make me think about pre-ordering DA3, or about buying more than one copy. If it's anything like DA2, I won't have any issue waiting for my wife to finish playing through after all.

[Serpieri Nei]

Loyalty to a videogame company is overrated. Loyalty to your Country, Family, and friends is not.

[tausra]

Pre-Dragon Age 2? I didn't read reviews, do research or even worry about anything when i bought a bioware game. I would pre-order without a second thought and be safe with the knowledge that I was getting a great game. I guess this attitude has caused me to raise my expectation of Bio Ware games to a very high level, because had DA:2 been from some other company I wouldn't have such a marked distaste for it.

[TEWR]

I don't know how loyal I am considering I've only played two Bioware titles.


I guess I am, but I'm not really sure whether I should classify myself as loyal or not just yet.

[88mphSlayer]

i follow their games much like i follow Rockstar/Bethesda/Bungie/Blizzard/GSCGameworld/CDProjekt/Nintendo/Sony/etc.

i'm not loyal to anybody, just a follower of good games

[mousestalker]

Rockpopple wrote...

There aren't enough little ponies on this forum.

Fix'd

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[Nasabe]

If it is implied that the writers, designers, animators etc. in Bioware's employ owe their fans anything, that is simply absurd.

They are artists, and honestly as an artist they owe themselves to do what they think they should do. If they keep trying to cater to their fans they will cease to be the creative minds behind the games which have made their fan-base in the beginning.

However, it is an industry and there is a balance to it I suppose. It is a dilemma indeed. I personally like their games moreso than most companies' games. But by no means I feel like the artist owes me anything because I like her/his work. That would be delusional.

[Psearo]

I like Bioware, I like their games. I wouldn't buy a game that I wasn't interested in after reading as much information about that game, even if it was made by Bioware.
The only real exception to this, is if it's a sequel/spin off game to a title I liked enough to get another instalment of it. Which, in the case of TFU2 or Modern Warfare 2, isn't always a good thing in my opinion.

[Forst1999]

Well, i can only be loyal to someone i know personally. In the last few years, Bioware made some games i love, so i like the company. That doesn't mean i'd buy everything they throw at me, but it means that even if they do something i don't like, i won't begin raging and laughing at them when it goes wrong.
They make their thing, for now i enjoy it. They come from a direction i never found interesting, but at the moment they make exactly the games i like. Maybe that changes in the future, then we might have to part. Bioware will make the games they want to make, they don't have to cater to anyone, and nobody has to follow them blindly.
So for me, it isn't so much loyalty as it is respect. Respect for what they have done so far (even the games i don't like), and respect for their right to make the games they want to make.

[Mad-Max90]

I'm loyal to bioware sure, I'm just not going to buy from this particular team untill a real review comes out

[Mad-Max90]

Yes great thing for a company to do cease to cater to their fans, you know the same group of people who got them to where they are today, yeah screw'em, that is what you said in a nutshell Nasabe

[ChickenDownUnder]

For me its more of a loyalty to the ideals of Bioware games. Especially their RPGs and after Black Isle went kurplunk. The story, writing, and characters in their games were suddenly what seemed most important, not necessarily the dungeon crawling and item hunting. A very important distinction for me back in the day, when RPGs were defined mostly by just their stat-building mechanics.

It pains me I will now have to re-evaluate that. I very much liked those rose-colored glasses.

[MorrigansLove]

Not really. First RPG I had ever played was Dragon Age: Origins which was amazing. I wasn't loyal to Bioware, I just loved this particular game of theirs.

[Mad-Max90]

I will have to say Mr. Epler has been my favorite dev, all woo does is lock down threads, Laidlaw went into hibernation after a couple post release interviews, and I'm not going to say anything about gaider, priestly disappeared, but John seems cool and level headed, plus I always picture professor Farnsworth from futurama coming into the room with a "good news everybody", every time he posts on the forums

[Zanallen]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

I will have to say Mr. Epler has been my favorite dev, all woo does is lock down threads, Laidlaw went into hibernation after a couple post release interviews, and I'm not going to say anything about gaider, priestly disappeared, but John seems cool and level headed, plus I always picture professor Farnsworth from futurama coming into the room with a "good news everybody", every time he posts on the forums

That's because Stanley is just a moderator. All he is required to do is moderate.

As for me, I consider myself a Bioware fan, but my loyalty would depend on what significance you give to that word. I will generally buy a Bioware game despite reviews because I feel that they have earned my respect enough to try their games first hand. I have yet to be disappointed. However, I don't feel that Bioware owes me or anyone else a damn thing. We are consumers and thus vote with our wallets. They are suppliers and thus create goods to sell for a profit.

[Mad-Max90]

^ or in this case bads to sell for a profit, see what I did there.