Mad-Max90 wrote...
^ or in this case bads to sell for a profit, see what I did there.
Made an idiot of yourself?
Really, who uses "bads" anymore?
Do you consider yourself a loyal BioWare fan?
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#51
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:20
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Made an idiot of yourself?
Really, who uses "bads" anymore?
Retour en haut
#52
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:50
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I don't know about loyalty, but ME 2 and DA 2 have drifted away from the sort of game I want to play, so if the trend keeps up then me and my money walk away. Bioware makes a business decision, I make a financial decision.
Loyalty doesn't mean I buy Bioware games even if I don't like them.
Loyalty doesn't mean I buy Bioware games even if I don't like them.
#53
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:00
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Being loyal to a company is an exercise in futility, because corporations do not give a **** about their customers.
Some of you people sound like how prostitutes speak of their pimps. You'd be better advised saving loyalty for people closer to you, like family, friends, and neighbors.
And I am pretty sure Stanley Woo is not just a moderator. He worked on DA:O.
Some of you people sound like how prostitutes speak of their pimps. You'd be better advised saving loyalty for people closer to you, like family, friends, and neighbors.
And I am pretty sure Stanley Woo is not just a moderator. He worked on DA:O.
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#54
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:03
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I'm as loyal of a Bioware fan as I am a loyal Square-Enix Fan. When Final Fantasy jumped the shark with 10 hour boss battles in FFXI, that was the beginning of the end, FFXII was okay and I didn't even both with XIII after I heard that the exploration that I loved about final fantasy was gone. FFXIV... the less said, the better. I won't touch that game. Period. that said, if Square-Enix manage to once again make a good Final Fantasy, I'll buy it and I'm seriously looking forward to the new Deus Ex and Hitman games.
As far as Bioware goes, DAII was obviously rushed and it's a shame since it did a lot of things right. I just needed more time in development. I'm hoping that DA3 is able to redeem the franchise by adding in more environments, bringing skills back, giving players more actual talents and fewer upgrades and most importantly, actually having the time to test for bugs. Hopefully Mass Effect 3 won't suck (I'm going to pass on TOR until I know that I've found stable employment in this economy) and DA3 will redeem the franchise, otherwise it looks like I'll simply think of Bioware what I currently think of Square and I'll enjoy playing Mass Effect 2 and Baldur's Gate II but I won't purchase a Bioware game until the price goes down.
As far as Bioware goes, DAII was obviously rushed and it's a shame since it did a lot of things right. I just needed more time in development. I'm hoping that DA3 is able to redeem the franchise by adding in more environments, bringing skills back, giving players more actual talents and fewer upgrades and most importantly, actually having the time to test for bugs. Hopefully Mass Effect 3 won't suck (I'm going to pass on TOR until I know that I've found stable employment in this economy) and DA3 will redeem the franchise, otherwise it looks like I'll simply think of Bioware what I currently think of Square and I'll enjoy playing Mass Effect 2 and Baldur's Gate II but I won't purchase a Bioware game until the price goes down.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:05
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Dasher1010 wrote...
I'm as loyal of a Bioware fan as I am a loyal Square-Enix Fan. When Final Fantasy jumped the shark with 10 hour boss battles in FFXI, that was the beginning of the end, FFXII was okay and I didn't even both with XIII after I heard that the exploration that I loved about final fantasy was gone. FFXIV... the less said, the better. I won't touch that game. Period. that said, if Square-Enix manage to once again make a good Final Fantasy, I'll buy it and I'm seriously looking forward to the new Deus Ex and Hitman games.
As far as Bioware goes, DAII was obviously rushed and it's a shame since it did a lot of things right. I just needed more time in development. I'm hoping that DA3 is able to redeem the franchise by adding in more environments, bringing skills back, giving players more actual talents and fewer upgrades and most importantly, actually having the time to test for bugs. Hopefully Mass Effect 3 won't suck (I'm going to pass on TOR until I know that I've found stable employment in this economy) and DA3 will redeem the franchise, otherwise it looks like I'll simply think of Bioware what I currently think of Square and I'll enjoy playing Mass Effect 2 and Baldur's Gate II but I won't purchase a Bioware game until the price goes down.
FFXI killed my japanophilia. Killed it dead.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:09
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No. I'm not loyal to a corporation. I'm simply a consumer to Bioware, and they are simply a company that produces a product. If I think I will get value for money, I will purchase their product. If not, I wont.
As with any product I purchase, if I find that I didn't get what I consider to be value for money, I will be unlikely to purchase from them again without thorough research. DA3 will be researched before purchase. If I find that, once again, I am not the target audience that their product is aimed at, I wont be purchasing. That doesn't mean that I think the team at Bioware has 'sold out' or 'failed', it doesn't mean that I think they are terrible people who need to lose their jobs, it simply means their product is aimed at a different consumer demographic. I'll live through it.
As I'm sure they will, too.
As with any product I purchase, if I find that I didn't get what I consider to be value for money, I will be unlikely to purchase from them again without thorough research. DA3 will be researched before purchase. If I find that, once again, I am not the target audience that their product is aimed at, I wont be purchasing. That doesn't mean that I think the team at Bioware has 'sold out' or 'failed', it doesn't mean that I think they are terrible people who need to lose their jobs, it simply means their product is aimed at a different consumer demographic. I'll live through it.
As I'm sure they will, too.
#57
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:21
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I'm not loyal to a 'label'. I do however trust assorted people within a corporation. I also tend to favor a certain label because they have supplied me with the consumer goods I, personally, prefer. That trust can be broken, and depending on my past dealings with that company, I might turn away never to look back - or I might give them another chance. If I do decide that a one-time snafu regarding my personal preferences is not enough to turn my back immediately, I will be very careful and thorough when dealing with that company again.
#58
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:33
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Used to be, used to be.
And I certainly feel my trust, and pre-order payment, was definitely abused.
And I certainly feel my trust, and pre-order payment, was definitely abused.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:48
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Loyal? Yes. Do I put my trust in them? In that case, you're asking me if I trust a video game company. I trust them to make GAMES, yes, but everything else after that? It's just a company making products subjecive to my opinion.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:52
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Zanallen wrote...
That's because Stanley is just a moderator. All he is required to do is moderate.
He's also part of the QA team.
That said, none of the developers are required to post on the forums.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:55
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Loyal? I'm not sure that applies to me. As long as Bio continues to put out products I think I'll enjoy, they have a customer in me. When/if they stop, I'm no longer a customer. Thus far, the only full title of theirs I haven't purchased has been the Sonic game, and the only thing I have purchased and regret doing so is the Pinnacle Station dlc for Mass Effect. Everything else, I guess I consider I got my money's worth out of.
As a side point, sort of, if I had a tendency to show 'loyalty' to a particular game developer, it would probably be to an Indie, such as Obsidian, rather than to a division of a huge company. Just because my impression is that Indies will usually struggle more to keep their heads above water; and since I have an interest in seeing the CRPG industry thrive, I would feel the urge to support them more than a developer with the resources of EA at their disposal.
In response to the other point made by the OP - yeah, I agree. Bio doesn't make the best RPGs out there, imo. Their games generally don't even have the best stories (though they are always very well told). The things that always set Bioware apart for me are: The characters that populate their world - they are generally very memorable - well written and acted and overall extremely compelling; and the party based (but single player) gameplay with controllable companions. Most CRPGs out there are either solo play (or have henchpeople you have no control over), or are party-based but the companions have all the personality of a bowl of cornflakes. As long as Bio continues to do well in these areas, I imagine I'll keep buying.
As a side point, sort of, if I had a tendency to show 'loyalty' to a particular game developer, it would probably be to an Indie, such as Obsidian, rather than to a division of a huge company. Just because my impression is that Indies will usually struggle more to keep their heads above water; and since I have an interest in seeing the CRPG industry thrive, I would feel the urge to support them more than a developer with the resources of EA at their disposal.
In response to the other point made by the OP - yeah, I agree. Bio doesn't make the best RPGs out there, imo. Their games generally don't even have the best stories (though they are always very well told). The things that always set Bioware apart for me are: The characters that populate their world - they are generally very memorable - well written and acted and overall extremely compelling; and the party based (but single player) gameplay with controllable companions. Most CRPGs out there are either solo play (or have henchpeople you have no control over), or are party-based but the companions have all the personality of a bowl of cornflakes. As long as Bio continues to do well in these areas, I imagine I'll keep buying.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:14
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I guess I'm no loyal fan to any developer, and certainly not to the EA RPG division.
I'm just a consumer, and I prefer a certain type of games, so I played almost all BioWare games, but the same is true regarding Black Isle/Obsidian or Bethesda.
All I care about are games I enjoy - and if they release one i have no interest in (like they did in the past with MDK2 or Sonic) I just pass and move on. They either cater to me again, and I come back, or they don't, then I move on.
Honestly, I purchase 8-12 games per year - obviously the vast majority of my games isn't made by BioWare, anyway. BioWare is just one of many developers out there.
I'm just a consumer, and I prefer a certain type of games, so I played almost all BioWare games, but the same is true regarding Black Isle/Obsidian or Bethesda.
All I care about are games I enjoy - and if they release one i have no interest in (like they did in the past with MDK2 or Sonic) I just pass and move on. They either cater to me again, and I come back, or they don't, then I move on.
Honestly, I purchase 8-12 games per year - obviously the vast majority of my games isn't made by BioWare, anyway. BioWare is just one of many developers out there.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:17
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I don't exactly consider myself 'loyal' but I had used a simple heuristic to decide whether a game is worth buying (if it's from Bioware or Bethesda then buy the game) to save time (reading reviews, acquiring the demo, etc). I adjusted that heuristic after playing DA2.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:17
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Maria Caliban wrote...
Zanallen wrote...
That's because Stanley is just a moderator. All he is required to do is moderate.
He's also part of the QA team.
That said, none of the developers are required to post on the forums.
Which still doesn't make him a developer. So expecting him to come here and answer questions as a developer is silly. Same with the people who berate Gaider for not really knowing about toolset updates.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:18
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if Bioware keep making great games then i will be loyal to them and buy their games...same with every other game company...
And in my opinion, DA2 is a fantastic, enjoyable romp...a slight departure from DAO but like ME2 it works for me
And in my opinion, DA2 is a fantastic, enjoyable romp...a slight departure from DAO but like ME2 it works for me
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:24
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I own almost every BioWare game out there, some of them multiple copies for both PC and Xbox and different editions. So I guess that makes me loyal. I enjoy a lot of aspects in their games, that I find lacking in other games on the market, and as long as that doesn't change I'll keep buying their games.
BioWare is the only developer that I am following this closely so yeah, I would say that I am loyal.
BioWare is the only developer that I am following this closely so yeah, I would say that I am loyal.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:31
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:35
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Why should I be "loyal" to a developer?
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:53
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Depends on what you consider loyal.
Mass Effect was my very first Bioware game, and I enjoyed it immensely, I've been purchasing their products since then, unlike some people I don't think Bioware owes me anything for of buying their products though.
Now, I did purchase some of their dlc I wasn't sure about merely to support them, and I wasn't particularly happy with DA2, but I'm not cynical enough to blame BW for that, since as a consumer it's my responsibility to make my own purchase decisions.
Mass Effect was my very first Bioware game, and I enjoyed it immensely, I've been purchasing their products since then, unlike some people I don't think Bioware owes me anything for of buying their products though.
Now, I did purchase some of their dlc I wasn't sure about merely to support them, and I wasn't particularly happy with DA2, but I'm not cynical enough to blame BW for that, since as a consumer it's my responsibility to make my own purchase decisions.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:58
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BioWare is just a brand for me which has made games I enjoy. That doesn't mean, however, that I'm gonna stick with that and only will play games developed by BioWare.
Fact is, when I find a certain game interesting, I start branching out. Search for other games that are a bit like that.
DAO was my first RPG ever. Through DAO, I met ME, ME2 and DA2. After DA2, I decided that I should start branching out. And then I saw the trailer of Skyrim. I bought Oblivion and enjoyed it like any other game. Then I got The Witcher, and am still enjoying that.
I'm not necessarily a fan of BioWare. I see myself as another player of BioWare games. Nothing more.
Fact is, when I find a certain game interesting, I start branching out. Search for other games that are a bit like that.
DAO was my first RPG ever. Through DAO, I met ME, ME2 and DA2. After DA2, I decided that I should start branching out. And then I saw the trailer of Skyrim. I bought Oblivion and enjoyed it like any other game. Then I got The Witcher, and am still enjoying that.
I'm not necessarily a fan of BioWare. I see myself as another player of BioWare games. Nothing more.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 09:59
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I don't have loyalty to any company. If a game looks good, i'll buy it. If not, I won't. Simple as that.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 10:12
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Well I purchased every Bioware game so far except Sonic, some of them even multiple times. I also check these forums and buy the lithos from the Bioware store (but that's because I'm a sucker for these collectibles things). I'm definitely a supporter, I don't think loyal applies though.
Bioware makes the type of games I like and I always preorder them (the collector's edition if possible); I do the same with Obsidian's games and, to a lesser estent, Bethesda's.
Even so, I'm still not thrilled about TOR and I don't know if I'll buy it. The only MMORPG I'd buy without a doubt would be DAOC2, but it'll never happen...
Bioware makes the type of games I like and I always preorder them (the collector's edition if possible); I do the same with Obsidian's games and, to a lesser estent, Bethesda's.
Even so, I'm still not thrilled about TOR and I don't know if I'll buy it. The only MMORPG I'd buy without a doubt would be DAOC2, but it'll never happen...
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 10:13
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I don't buy every Bioware game, but I usually find the brand delivers in terms of RPG quality. I'm more likely buy a Bioware fantasy RPG than any other game on the shelf these days. They've shown they can deliver, and so I continue to buy their games.
DA2 was not what I was expecting from a sequel, but it is not the first time a company made changes to its franchise. They don't owe me anything more than they actually promise, but it's always disappointing when expectations are not met. The problem with sequels is that the first game sets a standard. You buy the second expecting this standard will be maintained or improved, not dramatically changed.
The transition from DA:O to DA2 was like watching the pilot of a new TV series by a producer you like, then going on to the next episode and wondering why it's suddenly only tangentially related to the pilot. Perhaps you liked the second ep and keep watching, or perhaps you feel cheated by 'what was promised' in the pilot and tune in to some other show.
The only other games developer I've considered myself a dedicated fan of was the Ultima series, by Origin Systems. Yep, I wrote fanfic about Ultima too.
At Ultima 8 (by which point Electronic Arts had bought the company), pary companions were done away with completely. Combat was made more interactive. Character creation was removed--for the first time you could only be a human male PC. A human male white blond PC. It did poorly--many female fans refused to buy the game in protest. Ultima 9 retained these changes, introduced even more, and made all characters plus the PC voiced for the first time.
It was the last game in the series, and due to poor sales EA cancelled all current/future Origin projects (like the sci fi Wing Commander series) except Ultima Online.
I'm really hoping Bioware doesn't go the same way, but to be honest I've been worried ever since EA acquired the company. :/
(I should add that the Ultima series had a few spin-off games to experiment with different ideas and stories, by all reports to great success. Fans loved them. Because they were spin-offs people expected them to be different and made allowances for crazy things. One game went to Mars. Another went to a world that had dinosaurs. Keep in mind that Ultima was, at the core of the series, a medieval fantasy sword-and-magic game. Two other spin-offs took the game from isometric, open world and party-based to solo dungeon crawl FPS (though still with NPCs and story dialogue), also to great success with the fans. But the core series maintained it's standard for sequels until the takeover.)
I think I've derailed from the main topic. Sorry. >.<
DA2 was not what I was expecting from a sequel, but it is not the first time a company made changes to its franchise. They don't owe me anything more than they actually promise, but it's always disappointing when expectations are not met. The problem with sequels is that the first game sets a standard. You buy the second expecting this standard will be maintained or improved, not dramatically changed.
The transition from DA:O to DA2 was like watching the pilot of a new TV series by a producer you like, then going on to the next episode and wondering why it's suddenly only tangentially related to the pilot. Perhaps you liked the second ep and keep watching, or perhaps you feel cheated by 'what was promised' in the pilot and tune in to some other show.
The only other games developer I've considered myself a dedicated fan of was the Ultima series, by Origin Systems. Yep, I wrote fanfic about Ultima too.
At Ultima 8 (by which point Electronic Arts had bought the company), pary companions were done away with completely. Combat was made more interactive. Character creation was removed--for the first time you could only be a human male PC. A human male white blond PC. It did poorly--many female fans refused to buy the game in protest. Ultima 9 retained these changes, introduced even more, and made all characters plus the PC voiced for the first time.
It was the last game in the series, and due to poor sales EA cancelled all current/future Origin projects (like the sci fi Wing Commander series) except Ultima Online.
I'm really hoping Bioware doesn't go the same way, but to be honest I've been worried ever since EA acquired the company. :/
(I should add that the Ultima series had a few spin-off games to experiment with different ideas and stories, by all reports to great success. Fans loved them. Because they were spin-offs people expected them to be different and made allowances for crazy things. One game went to Mars. Another went to a world that had dinosaurs. Keep in mind that Ultima was, at the core of the series, a medieval fantasy sword-and-magic game. Two other spin-offs took the game from isometric, open world and party-based to solo dungeon crawl FPS (though still with NPCs and story dialogue), also to great success with the fans. But the core series maintained it's standard for sequels until the takeover.)
I think I've derailed from the main topic. Sorry. >.<
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 10:34
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Yes. Am. Are.
DA2 was their first blemish.
If it isn't their last, we may part.
But its one on a very VERY impressive list of many.
DA2 was their first blemish.
If it isn't their last, we may part.
But its one on a very VERY impressive list of many.
#75
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 10:53
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Loyalty requires trust and respect.
I like rewarding game companies that make games that i like by preordering so they can make as much money as possible so they can make more games that i like.(selfish, i know)
Bioware's attitude is we make games how we like and don't care what the customer thinks so i don't see that as asking for my loyalty.
After the last two Bioware games (ME2,DA2) my attitude is make the games and then i will decide if they are good enough to spend my money, but no more preorders on principle.
I like rewarding game companies that make games that i like by preordering so they can make as much money as possible so they can make more games that i like.(selfish, i know)
Bioware's attitude is we make games how we like and don't care what the customer thinks so i don't see that as asking for my loyalty.
After the last two Bioware games (ME2,DA2) my attitude is make the games and then i will decide if they are good enough to spend my money, but no more preorders on principle.
