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Am I loyal Bioware fan?  I don't like to think of myself as loyal to a company.  But there have has been consistency in some of the writers over the years whose work I've liked for awhile.  So by most definitions I am probably loyal.

But I haven't always been.

I played Baldur's Gate, and I remembered liking that a lot more.  Baldur's Gate II was almost immediately my favorite game I'd ever played.  But my disappointment with Neverwinter Nights was deep. So deep that I didn't even give Jade Empire, KOTOR and Mass Effect a look when they came out.  This despite the fact that I've always wanted to see Asian fantasy games (see Jade Empire) and a solid Star Wars RPG (see KOTOR) and like both sci-fi and the idea of grafting RPG elements onto action games (see Mass Effect).  That's how off the mark Neverwinter Nights was for me.  That felt like betrayal. It completely erased Bioware to me despite how much I liked BGII and despite me being the expected target audience for future games of theirs.

I mention this to just to illustrate how dangerous it is to screw with things that people love.  I never lose my temper.  I'm the diplomat in all of my relationships.  But it took me years to give a Bioware a second chance after Neverwinter Nights.  And I only gave them that chance because they made an explicit appeal to nostalgia by calling Dragon Age a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  "This is the new ****" is not what did the trick.  

Not surprisingly my banishment of Bioware was an overreaction.  I thought Dragon Age: Origins was great--my favorite game since BGII.  I went back and played Jade Empire and Mass Effect and regretted not having played them earlier.  And then I was so hyped up for the release of Mass Effect 2 that after I'd read every page on the Mass Effect wiki, I didn't know what else to do.  I'd already drawn up every possible party combo.  So looking blankly at the Mass Effect Wikia, I felt a strong urge to grab my monitor by the edges and lick the screen.  So I guess I was loyal again--in a way that probably Bioware doesn't want.

At the end of the day, what I like most about BGII and DAO are a) the characters and B) the decisions I have to make.  The latter plays itself out both in the story (via moral dilemmas) and the combat (designing your character, designing your party, coordinating their combat).  What great about being hit with a dilemma like the Dark Romance or even something as simple as whether to spare a criminal is that it forces you out of the game and into your own head.  And when a game forces me to think about what I'm doing it forges a bond between me and the character I'm playing. That's what the Warden had going for him.  The game encourage me to define him as the game progressed.  There was character development in my head.  And Bioware I think stands the best chance of any designer of delivering those sorts of experiences.  So in that sense I believe in them and have hopes for them.  I'm not sure it's a loyalty they want, but it's what there is.  

As for DAII it had those things too, but they didn't feel as much the focus as in DAO.  Many have noted that Hawke felt more passive.  For me it's not because of the dialogue wheel or the voiced protagonist.  It's the lack of choices that make you decide for yourself what Hawke is.  Choices define a character, and Hawke didn't have enough of them.  I still find myself enjoying DAII though.  There are a lot of great things there.  And a lot of thing that are kind of cringe-inducing that need to be ignored (like the constant waves in combat).  Overall though I like some of the people at Bioware and remain interested in what they plan to do next.

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I used to do missionary work on behalf of the original Baldur's Gate.

It's more about DNA than loyalty at this point. As soon as I think of free time, I think of video games, and a lot of them are Bioware games.

No matter what happens, they'll always have a place in my hard drive. Erm, I mean heart.

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I have enjoyed every BioWare game I've played, though I've enjoyed some more than others. But the company don't owe me anything, and I don't owe them anything. They consistently produce games that I enjoy greatly, and so I consistently purchase them. If they were to stop producing games I enjoy, I'd stop purchasing them. And that's really all there is to it.

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I'm not loyal per say, I just enjoy Bioware games, some I didn't enjoy(BG,and Shattered steel) and some I hate with a passion(Sonic, NWN and ME2)

As long as there games look good, promising, have fantastic characters and good stories. If they stop making those types of games, then I stop buying from them and move on.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 mai 2011 - 07:12 .


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I owe no loyalty to any corporation anywhere, my only loyalty is to consistent quality.

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 Not after the Dragon Age 2 fiasco

Given the companies (Laidlaw) reaction to the criticism I doubt I'll purchase another BioWare title.

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tfive24

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I would say that I'm a person who likes to enjoy their games, but I don't support a company or game just because their name is Bioware. A company isn't loyal to you and should never be loyal to a company.

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loyal to the extent that I  pay attention to what they're doing i would likely purchase there product over a competitor, but that doesn't mean I would ever buy something simply in good faith, at least not when its full price

similar to adneate  im loyal to quality more then anything it just happens that bioware is genraly synonymous with quality if this were to change i would quickly loose interest

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BW games are still first day purchases for me. Even DA2 was worth the money despite the ten things I could complain about. Heck, NWN was on my hard drive for years despite the OC being less than stellar.

So yeah, I'm loyal. But of course I'm a consumer in a consumer culture and there may come a time when this is no longer the case.

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I don't give any developer besides maybe Blizzard any credit. If a formerly good developer suddenly releases a mediocre or worse game (hai Bioware), I don't buy the game. People who just buy a game because it has the [company]'s name on it are...foolish. To say the least.

And yeah, Blizzard might be an exception. Seriously, they haven't released a single bad game.

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

And yeah, Blizzard might be an exception. Seriously, they haven't released a single bad game.


Blizzard charged a full-game price for a third-of-a-game, and that third-of-a-game was the exact same game as one they released almost fifteen years ago with updated graphics. And, to Blizzard's credit, I still bought it. But I didn't enjoy it. I did enjoy DAII.

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tfive24 wrote...

 A company isn't loyal to you and should never be loyal to a company.


This. You're not a ****ing sheep. A company will sodomize you if they make more money this way. 

Do you like being sodomized? Do you like being taken for a sheep?

I certainly don't. With DA2, Bioware has proven they weren't any different from other companies. The dollar speaks and the dollar rules all.

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JL81 wrote...
A company will sodomize you if they make more money this way. 

I think we're going a bit too far down the 'evil empire' path. A company is a group of individuals, not a hive mind of money lust. There are a large number at BioWare who love games and want to make fun, interesting RPGs.

Do you like being sodomized?

Who doesn't?

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Blizzard charged a full-game price for a third-of-a-game,

Oh, come off it already. The campaign is as long as any they've ever done.

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devSin wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Blizzard charged a full-game price for a third-of-a-game,

Oh, come off it already. The campaign is as long as any they've ever done.


You don't know what you're replying to, do you?

It's been known for quite a while that they split S2 up into three games.

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I know exactly what I'm replying to. You may have wanted them to instead provide a campaign covering all three races (each 1/3 the length of what they delivered for the terran campaign), but it's irrelevant. As I said, the campaign is as long as any they've ever done. You got a full game.

If you don't want the expansions, don't get them. They were always going to be released, and they were always going to continue the story. Tough nuts if you don't favor the way they chose to do that.

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Nope not a loyal fan anymore. DA2 undone a decade of purchasing Bioware games without question.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bioware makes good games, and I am certain I will be buying more Bioware games. I just won't be buying them on release day or pre-ordering. Most likely I'll wait a couple weeks for player reviews.

Thing is, if I am not excited enough about a game or a movie to jump on it the first week, it usually becomes something I put off until it is on Blueray, netflix, or in the case of games, on a Steam Super Sale.

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I play games like I read books, if I like the first one I will probably play all of the rest in that series, because I hate not knowing everything that happens.

That being said, some sequels are worse than others, some are better. I can hope DA3 has improvements over DA2.

I am not loyal to any video game company, I own 3 BioWare games (all Dragon Age + Awakening.) I also own 7 Ubisoft games, but I have logged onto their forums 3 times in the last few years. I buy games that I enjoy, and games that finish a story that has entertained me.

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devSin wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Blizzard charged a full-game price for a third-of-a-game,


Oh, come off it already. The campaign is as long as any they've ever done.


I don't care how long it is. If DAII is half a game even though it took me longer to finish than Origins, then SCII is a third of a game.

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I'm starting to consider myself loyal to David Gaider, actually. Between his work on Alistair (*sigh*...oh, Alistair) and his awesome smackdowns of forum trolls, I think I'd pretty much buy any game he worked on. I just ordered the DA books he wrote, and I am a big fantasy snob who sneers at branded tie-in material, so that's saying something.

Is the guy married? I mean, *I'm* married, so I'm not asking for myself. But I have some adorable friends...

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Do you like being sodomized?

Who doesn't?


Isabela says: you are awesome and you should feel awesome.

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Brand loyalty is for indiscriminate chumps. No, I'm not loyal. That said, I've bought every major release from Bioware on release day (or very soon after) since the first Mass Effect. :pinched:

(have played Baldur's Gate saga, skipped NWN for a long time, waited on KOTOR as I am not a fan of Star Wars generally, and only got Jade Empire years after the fact when I was in a gaming slump)

Modifié par marshalleck, 05 mai 2011 - 01:29 .


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Siduri wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


Do you like being sodomized?

Who doesn't?


Isabela says: you are awesome and you should feel awesome.


I still have trouble sitting from the last time Isabela made me feel awesome.Image IPB

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I'm not a loyal Bioware fan.
Really.
Stop looking at my cheezy avatar.
I'm not loyal.

Technically I'm blindly loyal. That makes me special and I deserve special treatment.
*looks at people in white carrying a straight jacket approaching*
About bloody time, free coat for me!

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I bought Baldur's Gate the month it came out, and I've been hooked on BioWare since.

I pre-order every game as soon as they're announced, buy all the strategy guides, all the dlc and expansion packs, and merchandise from the BioStore.

As far as I'm concerned, every other developer pales in comparison.

With Alpha Protocol, I gave up on Obsidian.  Which is kind of sad, since I enjoyed Dungeon Siege 1 & 2 greatly.  I thought they were fun little hack 'n slashes.  Now that Obsidian has gotten a hold of 3, I'll have to decide if I want to take a chance on them again.

I refuse to buy The Witcher 2 due to the smack they've been talking about other developers, (and not just BioWare) because I think it's incredibly crass.  And this is coming from someone who, due to weird circumstances, bought 3 different versions of The Witcher. 

Rockstar games just annoy me.  I tried to play RDR and thought it was one of the dumbest games I'd ever witnessed.

I think Bethesda, and their sandboxes, are lame.  (I kind of liked Morrowind, pre-ordered Oblivion, and then couldn't play it for more than an hour without totally losing interest.  So, Skyrim is not going to be purchased, let alone pre-ordered.)

Does this mean I think all of BioWare's games are perfect?  No.  With the exception of Mass Effect 2, I have some minor (and a very few major) issues with all of them.  But, when it comes to every other developer out there, they're as close to perfect as you can get.

Modifié par SKRemaks, 05 mai 2011 - 03:31 .