So, in DAO, we see that in the option to do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan, Flemeth is actually the mastermind behind the whole concept. Flemeth was the one who trained Morrigan with everything she knows, put her in place with the Warden, showeed her the ritual, etc., etc.
My question is... has Flemeth tried this before? And, furthermore, has she suceeded?
The Wardens believed in DAO that no one had survived absorbing an archdemon before. But is it possible that they may have faked their deaths, distorted history, or something of the like, in order to conceal the fact that someone else may have done the Dark Ritual as well to save their own hide?
If so (and this is really the gist of my post), could it be possible that there have been previous OGB in the past? And that they sired a family line of some of the more prestigous houses in the DA world? The Couslands? The Orlesian Imperial line? Possibly even the Aeducans (since we can see that a dwarven male PC in DAO can partake in the Dark Ritual)?
Curious to see people's thoughts on this.
Flemeth and the OGB
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 01:39
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
My question is... has Flemeth tried this before? And, furthermore, has she suceeded?
Of course, she's one herself. Well, that's what I think, at least. :happy:
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 02:06
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I definitely think it's been done before. Morrigan is positive it'll work, and given the nature of it, that means she either knows it's been successfully done in the past or she's a fool. And she's not a fool.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 02:16
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Yeah, I get the impression that perhaps Flemeth is or was an old god. After all the Tevinter ones that later became the Archdemons were all dragons, right? Perhaps Flemeth was an old god or even an Archdemon that was liberated from the darkspawn taint through the Ritual? And that Morrigan seeks to do the same with the one from Origins?
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 03:04
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I don't think so... I mean, if there was an OGB, wouldn't somebody have noticed? I mean, a person with that kind of power isn't just going to sit around doing nothing... historical records tend to be spotty, but I don't see something that big slipping through the cracks. I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. I imagine Flemeth knows that it works because she's a master wizard (and whatever else she really is). That doesn't mean she actually tried it.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 06:41
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Icy Magebane wrote...
I don't think so... I mean, if there was an OGB, wouldn't somebody have noticed? I mean, a person with that kind of power isn't just going to sit around doing nothing... historical records tend to be spotty, but I don't see something that big slipping through the cracks. I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. I imagine Flemeth knows that it works because she's a master wizard (and whatever else she really is). That doesn't mean she actually tried it.
You think with the perspective of a mortal being. if you are immortal your perspective changes a lot. it could be that flemeth has subtely manipulated entire kingdoms, or her plans take several century's to complete or even a millenium
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 12:22
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It's an interesting concept that Flemeth is indeed the product of an Old God's soul in a human form as a result of the ritual.
However, if that's the case, I don't see how it benefits Flemeth to recreate the event. That merely puts another being on the same level as her, potentially. Morrigan has learned that Flemeth apparently takes the body of her daughters. Since two souls can't inhabit the same body (the reason the Warden is sacrificed to end a Blight), the child's soul, I would presume, is destroyed for Flemeth to inhabit it. Otherwise she would not remain Flemeth as the soul is generally tied to consciousness, etc.
By that same concept, if the soul is the source of the theoretical OGB's power, Morrigan would thereby lose that power if she herself inhabited the child. So I think it's more likely Morrigan would be planning to raise the child, teach it magic, and prepare it as a trump card that Flemeth was intending to have for herself.
It seems clear that Morrigan, OGB or not, is escaping Thedas to "somewhere beyond the fade" to
A) Prepare herself for an eventual final confrontation with Flemeth.
Do this in peace during the coming Mage/Templar conflict
I think it seems pretty clear that the "change" Morrigan said was coming was the foreshadowing of the Circle/Templar war that begins in DA2. As an apostate, she isn't too happy with the idea of hanging around for that.
Now, whatever the threat, I would expect Bioware will approach it without OGB since some players (and 2 of your starting choices in DA2) don't include it in their game. Perhaps the OGB isn't powerful as Morrigan expected. Perhaps they'll find a way to make use of it while an alternative approach leads to the same path for non-OGB play files.
But considering DA2...I sort of expect they'll just ignore the OGB and skip over it entirely. I'm honestly expecting if/when Morrigan returns in a DA game, the Warden won't be with her and we may not even be fortunate enough to get a reference for players who went through the mirror.
I'm a bit concerned about my Warden's Calling amidst all this speculation. Unless "beyond the fade" has an effect on the Darkspawn taint. /shrug
I really don't expect much of Origins to come into play in the franchise from here on out.
However, if that's the case, I don't see how it benefits Flemeth to recreate the event. That merely puts another being on the same level as her, potentially. Morrigan has learned that Flemeth apparently takes the body of her daughters. Since two souls can't inhabit the same body (the reason the Warden is sacrificed to end a Blight), the child's soul, I would presume, is destroyed for Flemeth to inhabit it. Otherwise she would not remain Flemeth as the soul is generally tied to consciousness, etc.
By that same concept, if the soul is the source of the theoretical OGB's power, Morrigan would thereby lose that power if she herself inhabited the child. So I think it's more likely Morrigan would be planning to raise the child, teach it magic, and prepare it as a trump card that Flemeth was intending to have for herself.
It seems clear that Morrigan, OGB or not, is escaping Thedas to "somewhere beyond the fade" to
A) Prepare herself for an eventual final confrontation with Flemeth.
Do this in peace during the coming Mage/Templar conflictI think it seems pretty clear that the "change" Morrigan said was coming was the foreshadowing of the Circle/Templar war that begins in DA2. As an apostate, she isn't too happy with the idea of hanging around for that.
Now, whatever the threat, I would expect Bioware will approach it without OGB since some players (and 2 of your starting choices in DA2) don't include it in their game. Perhaps the OGB isn't powerful as Morrigan expected. Perhaps they'll find a way to make use of it while an alternative approach leads to the same path for non-OGB play files.
But considering DA2...I sort of expect they'll just ignore the OGB and skip over it entirely. I'm honestly expecting if/when Morrigan returns in a DA game, the Warden won't be with her and we may not even be fortunate enough to get a reference for players who went through the mirror.
I'm a bit concerned about my Warden's Calling amidst all this speculation. Unless "beyond the fade" has an effect on the Darkspawn taint. /shrug
I really don't expect much of Origins to come into play in the franchise from here on out.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 12:35
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If it's been done before, it was done by Flemeth.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 12:37
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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Flemeth is the OGB.
Doc Brown strikes again...
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Faroth wrote...
It's an interesting concept that Flemeth is indeed the product of an Old God's soul in a human form as a result of the ritual.
However, if that's the case, I don't see how it benefits Flemeth to recreate the event. That merely puts another being on the same level as her, potentially.
She's lonely.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 12:56
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Doc Brown strikes again...
Doc Brown is the OGB.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 01:03
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Maybe Morrigan is Flemeth...or Flemeth as she should be. Morrigan will return in DA3 to lead the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke, and Varric to Rohan where Flemeth has taken over the kingdom.
Wait...what?
Wait...what?
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 01:15
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Faroth wrote...
Maybe Morrigan is Flemeth...or Flemeth as she should be. Morrigan will return in DA3 to lead the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke, and Varric to Rohan where Flemeth has taken over the kingdom.
Wait...what?
I can dig it.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 02:10
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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Doc Brown strikes again...
Doc Brown is the OGB.
Which means Flemeth... is Doc Brown? <cue ominous music>
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 03:29
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LobselVith8 wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Doc Brown strikes again...
Doc Brown is the OGB.
Which means Flemeth... is Doc Brown? <cue ominous music>
Great Scott!
Fast Jimmy wrote...
The Wardens believed in DAO that no one
had survived absorbing an archdemon before. But is it possible that they
may have faked their deaths, distorted history, or something of the
like, in order to conceal the fact that someone else may have done the
Dark Ritual as well to save their own hide?
I think Flemeth might not have had the spell or ritual ready during the other Blights. If she had, she probably would've gone throught with whatever she planned for the OGB and we would've seen something in DA:O.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 03:45
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Faroth wrote...
Maybe Morrigan is Flemeth...or Flemeth as she should be. Morrigan will return in DA3 to lead the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke, and Varric to Rohan where Flemeth has taken over the kingdom.
Wait...what?
I joked in another thread that since we see Flemeth can be in more than one place at a time, and obviously can shapeshift, has a knack for tricking people, maybe Morrigan is just copy of Flemeth. Then I thought about it and realized it made more sense than it should. Now the joke scares me.
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Rifneno wrote...
Faroth wrote...
Maybe Morrigan is Flemeth...or Flemeth as she should be. Morrigan will return in DA3 to lead the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke, and Varric to Rohan where Flemeth has taken over the kingdom.
Wait...what?
I joked in another thread that since we see Flemeth can be in more than one place at a time, and obviously can shapeshift, has a knack for tricking people, maybe Morrigan is just copy of Flemeth. Then I thought about it and realized it made more sense than it should. Now the joke scares me.
I don't think Flemeth would have "prepared" for her death of Morrigan was really Flemeth, although I don't know what the doppleganger Flemeth plans to do if the real Flemeth was never killed in the first place.
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although I don't know what the doppleganger Flemeth plans to do if the real Flemeth was never killed in the first place.
Self-cest reunion ritual, obviously.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 04:57
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Filament wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
although I don't know what the doppleganger Flemeth plans to do if the real Flemeth was never killed in the first place.
Self-cest reunion ritual, obviously.
/wrist
This isn't blood magic, I just want to die now.
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Posté 06 mai 2011 - 05:16
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Dumat's Flaming Knicker-weasels!Xilizhra wrote...
Andraste was the Dumat OGB.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Andraste was the Dumat OGB.
OMG. That fits perfectly.
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Another hypothesis: Flemeth is Fen'Harel, trying to make up for sealing away the Dalish gods by bringing the old magic back into the world. Andraste was likely her first attempt, but it apparently failed, unless all Flemeth wanted was to defeat those who'd destroyed Arlathan.
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I would like to subscribe to your newsletter/blog.Xilizhra wrote...
Another hypothesis: Flemeth is Fen'Harel, trying to make up for sealing away the Dalish gods by bringing the old magic back into the world. Andraste was likely her first attempt, but it apparently failed, unless all Flemeth wanted was to defeat those who'd destroyed Arlathan.
