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[-Becky-]

andraip wrote...

-Becky- wrote...

andraip wrote...

well the easiest way is with your team. Anyway what difficulty are you playing?

Casual. . And yes, The easiest bloody difficulty and Im failing straight away :s He's so hard . I don't know why I keep failing when I have been evading as much as possible.

Thats bad.

1st you should be around level 19 in that stage (I assume you only did the main quests)
2nd I assume that your party have the wrong talents

But, what party have you, and are you dw or archer, and what specs have you?

I am a rogue and I have Fenris, Anders, and aveline with me. I didn't just do the main quests, I did side quests too =\\. . . and I have alot of back stabbing and evading specs. . . . I will keep trying saturday.

[andraip]

if your rogue has assasinate, vendetta or twin fangs you can one-shot the mages

you should ignore the arishok in the beginning, he will only will be buffing
you should have aveline tanking the melee, fenris and you should quickly finish off the spearthrowers, if you can finish the mages quickly alone then maybe you should run forward an kill them and letting fenris kill the spearqunari. Put Anders in a spot who is isn't attacked, and kill everything that approaches him.
Maybe this helps.

[soulrapist]

killing the arishock is easy as rogue just look at some rogue build left on this forum but simply as soon as the fight start step aside or move aside right away.

[haroldhardluck]

For a rogue (and a mage) the key is hit and run and lots of healing potions. Evade and Stealth are the minimum running away skills. An archer is much better than a DW rogue for this battle.

The most important healing potion is the Restoration potion. You get the formula for it in the very beginning from Lady Elegant. You can buy as many of this potion as you can afford and it is the key to winning all the big long battles in this game. Just beware that you must have lost both health and stamina points to use this potion. However when used in conjunction with the traditional health and stamina potions, you can always have enough stamina and health points to beat the Arishok.

Harold

[MigoTheGIgo]

Let me see, as a rogue...

Well, most important thing (on higher difficulties) is to remember to stock up on potions. Seeing as that seems to not be an option for you, I would suggest the following:

Duel: Keep kiting him. Run run run. Whenver he does his charge, dodge it, jump at him and use your most damaging abilities. Then run. That is the safe way tbh.

If you dont want to duel him, what i do is to immediately run left, thus Line of sight blocking him and all his chronies. tell your party members to STAY (default hotkey H), and as soon as a target runs down the stairs and to you, tell every member of your party to bring it down. This is ESPECIALLY true with regards to the Sarebaas (the caster).

If you have a bit of luck, i have noticed that Isabela has a tendancy to just charge up the stairs. Since she cannot die when she is not in your party, she can end up tanking basically everything that is not engaging your party. Meaning you can pick off the opposition piece by piece.

Hope it helped.

[mr_afk]

Btw, if you specced into shadow there's a nifty bug in which a decoy will leave the arishok swinging at the air and you free to do whatever you like with him.

Unless this has been fixed this should allows a duel to become quite easy. Otherwise I suppose you'll just have to get good at kiting. I'm assuming you're using a dual wield rogue so that can make things harder. If you have a decent bow in your inventory you could switch to that and just shoot him with it. Just dodge his charge attacks and shoot him. It will probably take some time though but yeah, unless you're good at microing your character engaging the arishok in melee combat isn't very fun.

Good luck

[Sussurus]

Not one on one the Qunarii attacks can be avoided, use the pillars to stay out of LoS with mages and rogues against the spear armed Qunari.
Use large AoE damage spells, and if possible try and kill the sarrabas ( mages ) first..

[Xalen]

aww, come on, Parry + Throw the Gauntlet - and for 20 seconds the Arishok can't hit you, at least on lower difficulties (unless he impales you, that is)

lvl15 is odd though... out for curiosity, what level were you in the deep roads?

you say
"I wanted to see what reacion i did if I let Isabela take the relic back, but whatever option you do? You STILL fight the Airshock. ."
does that mean you have a save before or during To Catch a Thief (since this is the quest where you make "decision" about the relic)? Because if so, you can still go shopping for potions and grenades after the quest and before you meet Aveline at the compound

The team fight is indeed rather easy, especially if you disable the mages first (freeze/petrify/stun/whatever and kill before they start casting their electric bubbles of instant death). Fun fact: Vendetta can teleport you to the balcony 

With the duel my biggest problem is that I always forget to stock up potions and grenades beforehand...otherwise it's just a test of patience: hit and run, like many people here have said.

/*Combustion grenade to stun (Miasmic flask works too when he has low health) ->*/ Mark of Death -> Assassinate -> Twin Fangs -> kiting ->kiting -> get out of his way!!! -> kiting-> kiting ->Assassinate cooldown ended! -> drink potions, better when he's charging -> repeat
Since you have a good amount of stamina potions (11, wtf? I have 4 max usually, Varric is such a drunk), during kiting you can add some of Vendetta -> Throw the Gauntlet -> hit him repeatedly for 20 seconds -> run like hell -> repeat 1

/*This is considering you have at least one of high-damage rogue skills (Twin fangs, Vendetta, Assassinate). If not...I'm sorry to say this, but your build is probably wrong */

But you should not listen to my rambling, the only class I actually had the patience to finish this kitefest without turning down the difficulty was mage...I know: I am not basalit-an, I am unworthy.


 

[-Becky-]

Xalen wrote...

aww, come on, Parry + Throw the Gauntlet - and for 20 seconds the Arishok can't hit you, at least on lower difficulties (unless he impales you, that is)

lvl15 is odd though... out for curiosity, what level were you in the deep roads?

you say
"I wanted to see what reacion i did if I let Isabela take the relic back, but whatever option you do? You STILL fight the Airshock. ."
does that mean you have a save before or during To Catch a Thief (since this is the quest where you make "decision" about the relic)? Because if so, you can still go shopping for potions and grenades after the quest and before you meet Aveline at the compound

The team fight is indeed rather easy, especially if you disable the mages first (freeze/petrify/stun/whatever and kill before they start casting their electric bubbles of instant death). Fun fact: Vendetta can teleport you to the balcony 

With the duel my biggest problem is that I always forget to stock up potions and grenades beforehand...otherwise it's just a test of patience: hit and run, like many people here have said.

/*Combustion grenade to stun (Miasmic flask works too when he has low health) ->*/ Mark of Death -> Assassinate -> Twin Fangs -> kiting ->kiting -> get out of his way!!! -> kiting-> kiting ->Assassinate cooldown ended! -> drink potions, better when he's charging -> repeat
Since you have a good amount of stamina potions (11, wtf? I have 4 max usually, Varric is such a drunk), during kiting you can add some of Vendetta -> Throw the Gauntlet -> hit him repeatedly for 20 seconds -> run like hell -> repeat 1

/*This is considering you have at least one of high-damage rogue skills (Twin fangs, Vendetta, Assassinate). If not...I'm sorry to say this, but your build is probably wrong */

But you should not listen to my rambling, the only class I actually had the patience to finish this kitefest without turning down the difficulty was mage...I know: I am not basalit-an, I am unworthy.


 

Lol no that is fine. It's all fine folks, thanks for everything! Im trying tomorrow and I was saying that I was being an idiot by saving JUST before the fight =\\ so i couldn't back and buy potions and all. . (Its stupid I know) But I will do it in the end. . after a couple of years  Lol but Im gonna kill him tomorrow (Hopefully) Thanks for every advice!

Whish me luck!!

Thanks for all your help.

[-Becky-]

Oh and forgot to say - I DO have twing fangs! And I have evade and also others. . It's just when he charges up at me and doesn't give me a chance to get up thats all =\\. . And his health goes down slowly because im only level 15. . So i know its pretty dumb of me, but i'll try and i'll get there

Thanks. x

[ajm317]

Easiest way to duel him as a rogue (well, easiest way that doesn't involve some super build/gear) is to switch to a bow. Let him charge at you (that special charge of his where he dashes in a straight line), run away, then shoot him a few times.  Repeat until dead.

Takes forever. Assassinate helps.

Modifié par ajm317, 06 mai 2011 - 08:03 .

[bossk-office]

Don’t duel him, it takes forever and is not a lot of fun. Fight with your whole party, watch some Youtube videos of that fight for ideas and – you’ve been struggling with this so long now, when you finally beat them, you will be the happiest woman in the world

[Dragoncloud]

On the pc i never really did a duel against him i just fought them all (and had to reload a few times as well), what i did was:

This was on normal btw, on my nightmare playthrough i'm not at that point yet (although with 100fortitude, yey force mage, i doubt the arishock will make my character stagger much)

- set aveline on him with as many defensive toggles on as possible so that she could take a beating;
- have my two handed fighter (in my case it was my hawke, in your case fenris) chase the mages and kill them as fast as possible, with help from my own mage (merril at the time, and i did give her paralyze/petrify spells so the mages couldnt run away).
- Have my rogue (varric in that case, not sure what you are, dual wield or bow?), take down the archers, mostly through rain of arrows, and have that flask that stuns a bunch of mobs.


Then again this was all on normal difficulty, not sure if hard or nightmare mode can even be done like that (i survived mostly on kiting & gulping down potions when necessary during normal mode, whereas in nightmare my main source of healing is mages..).

Worst case, have aveline draw as much aggro from as many things as possible and have her run arround (ltosof pausing :/), while all your other characters focuson the mages, and then on the archers, when dueling i'm not sure what you can do, maybe stealth away whenever possible?

[andraip]

Dragoncloud wrote...

This was on normal btw, on my nightmare playthrough i'm not at that point yet (although with 100fortitude, yey force mage, i doubt the arishock will make my character stagger much)

You would be suprised...

**SPOILERS**
You will not be staggered, you will fly around the room

[Aliciatron]

i had a lot of trouble fighting him with my warrior(who was dps), i finally went back and switched aveline for fenris for the extra dps and barely beat him by the hair of my chin.... i think for that playthrough it was better to get the guys on the top of the stairs by the rails first

i didnt have much of a problem with my rogue or mage though, but by that time i had the dog companion... good luck!

[snackrat]

I don't think the latest patch fixed the break: for me, stealthing didn't work (he just followed me around and attacked me anyway) BUT summoning the clone meant he endlessly attacked it, even after it disappeared!

[kaiki01]

-Becky- wrote...

Oh and forgot to say - I DO have twing fangs! And I have evade and also others. . It's just when he charges up at me and doesn't give me a chance to get up thats all =. . And his health goes down slowly because im only level 15. . So i know its pretty dumb of me, but i'll try and i'll get there

Thanks. x

It can be an endurance battle. I did it in 5 minute segments. Kite & slash for 5 minutes, go do something else, come back for another 5 minutes, go away. Just keep doing small attacks after he does the charge and other safe times and you should be alright.

[Alice829]

As a DW rogue, I had a very hard time the first time, since I hadn't specced her properly. Archery actually wasn't much help because there just isn't much time to get a shot in before he clobbers you, and your evade speed is much slower. The decoy is hugely helpful, as is the Mabari, as they give you an opportunity to land a shot or two before having to run away. The most important thing, I think, though, is to not get nailed by that first charge. He pinned my rogue to the wall with that one and I couldn't move at all in any direction. Needless to say, that Hawke died rather quickly. If you can avoid that, and you don't have either the Mabari or the Decoy ability, then it's just a lot of hit-hit-run. It will take you a while, but you'll wear him down eventually.

If you have a team, it's a lot easier. I had Aveline, Anders and Fenris the time I used a team, and I echo what someone said above: don't even think about tackling the Arishok until you've killed off all the others who will wear everyone down. Keeping Anders alive is key, especially if you're low on potions. Then everyone can take on the Arishok, and with a full team (especially Aveline), he goes down pretty quickly.

Modifié par Alice829, 08 mai 2011 - 05:33 .

[Nerdage]

First time I did the duel: Solid 40 minutes of kiting him around before he went down, first time I've spent an entire boss fight kiting since Gluth.. It wasn't something I missed.

Second time: "runscript killallhostiles". Not a massive help for a console player, great time-saver for a PC player.

The fight isn't a skill check, it's not even a gear check, it's a patience check and I failed.

Modifié par nerdage, 08 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[Darqion]

40 minutes? took me just a few minutes as a rogue. sadly i didnt get to dual him on my mage yet but im expecting quite decent results

[Nerdage]

Darqion wrote...

40 minutes? took me just a few minutes as a rogue. sadly i didnt get to dual him on my mage yet but im expecting quite decent results

I was playing safe, my first attempt died about 5 minutes in after I got complacent.

Also, I was playing a warrior.

And the sun was in my eyes, and it was cold, and late, and there was a fly in the room that was distracting me. Honest.

Modifié par nerdage, 08 mai 2011 - 06:25 .

[Darqion]

Hehehe. My elemental warrior is getting near this spot now. Really do wonder how long that will take.. But i still feel the encounter is quite silly... as for quick results you have to have a decent build..

Like the ARW on my first go, these bosses are not hard. They are not about skill but in time invested. Dodging their attacks is stupidly easy, and attacks just fail to do noticeable damage (in most cases)

[Dragoncloud]

andraip wrote...

Dragoncloud wrote...

This was on normal btw, on my nightmare playthrough i'm not at that point yet (although with 100fortitude, yey force mage, i doubt the arishock will make my character stagger much)

You would be suprised...

**SPOILERS**
You will not be staggered, you will fly around the room

T.T yeah i noticed that, as some other people i had to kite the bastard arround and throw in a pucn here & there... After the first 2 health potions i caved and turned to normal mode just to speed the stuff up, was getting very tiresome to 'hit hit' 'run'. And the stupid dog wasnt much help either <<...


Anyway, curious if the op managed to finally kill the arishok.

[-Becky-]

Lol! You all made me a very happy girl! I DID IT! and guess what?. . (I know I had like 2 weeks to come back and say this but meh! ) I gave up as a rogue and competed DA2 much quicker as a warrior! It was awesome, and then I went back on Origins and completed that as a warrior . . Is it me or is a warrior like. . . cheating Lol thanks guys! I appreciate it all.