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[JoHnDoE14]

 Reading the description on Garahel's helm, I wondered wether Garahel was a Dalish or a City elf, and if he was a Dalish (like my warden) or even a City ,how the elves didn't receive more power and/or respect. Thinkng about it, the whole concept is sad. The elves had at least a major worldwide hero and have a culture and a history to boast about, and yet no place to call home. In addition, I don't think that Elves have been presented as much as I felt that was necessary. I really hope that the next game will focus more on the Dalsih, and Elves in general, with more companions being elven and more main plot content concerning them (like visiting Arlathan or elves demanding a nation). Your thoughts and insight will be most appreciated and a dev response on the matter of Garahel's origins would certainly set things straight.

[Satyricon331]

After DAO, I would have completely agreed regarding the elves in future games. I like how they have a new take on the standard elven depiction. But for now, after DA2, I want them to improve the elves' look before they bring them back. If they made the elves central to a game while they (edit: the elves, not BW, heh) still look like they did in DA2 it wouldn't be enjoyable at all. I doubt I'd get the game before the bargain bin.

Unless the books mention Garahel, it'd surprise me if the info you're seeking about him exists at all, outside writer notes. I can't think of a single instance in the games where they discussed his origins.

Modifié par Satyricon331, 04 mai 2011 - 05:54 .

[JoHnDoE14]

Satyricon331 wrote...

After DAO, I would have completely agreed regarding the elves in future games. I like how they have a new take on the standard elven depiction. But for now, after DA2, I want them to improve the elves' look before they bring them back. If they made the elves central to a game while they (edit: the elves, not BW, heh) still look like they did in DA2 it wouldn't be enjoyable at all. I doubt I'd get the game before the bargain bin.

Unless the books mention Garahel, it'd surprise me if the info you're seeking about him exists at all, outside writer notes. I can't think of a single instance in the games where they discussed his origins.

Ingame, other than codex entries he is mentioned 2 times. One by Duncan when you ask him about the wardens during the city elf origin (It should have been in the Dalish too!) and the other by Morrigan after you Arl her Eamon and you are Elven...or so I am led to believe by the wiki. I personaly, don't remember any of those 2.

Modifié par JoHnDoE14, 04 mai 2011 - 06:08 .

[GenericPlayer2]

Am I the only one who found the Elves in DA2 to be a pale shadow of what we saw in Origins? In Origins I felt that there was enough content in the Brecilian forest to justify a game of its own. The Tevinter ruins that had elven statues in them, the possessed army generals (juggernaut quest), the old hermit and the elder tree, the trapped arcane warrior...all of it felt like the elven lore could be fleshed out into an epic DA game of its own. The dalish characters themselves were so interesting.

By contrast in DA2 we get the whiny blood mage, the squatting vagrants and the blabber mouth mother that tells the templars where her son is.

[Ulicus]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

After
DAO, I would have completely agreed regarding the elves in future
games. I like how they have a new take on the standard elven depiction.
But for now, after DA2, I want them to improve the elves' look before
they bring them back. If they made the elves central to a game while
they (edit: the elves, not BW, heh) still look like they did in DA2 it
wouldn't be enjoyable at all. I doubt I'd get the game before the
bargain bin.

Unless the books mention Garahel, it'd surprise me
if the info you're seeking about him exists at all, outside writer
notes. I can't think of a single instance in the games where they
discussed his origins.

Ingame, other than codex entries
he is mentioned 2 times. One by Duncan when you ask him about the
wardens during the city elf origins (It should have been in the Dalish
too!) and the other by Morrigan after you Arl her Eamon and you are
Elven...or so I am led to believe by the wiki. I personaly, don't
remember any of those 2.

Garahel is mentioned by Morrigan after the Warden "warms her tent" irrespective of the origin you've picked.

In any case, Dalish or City, Garahel's badassery knew no bounds.

Modifié par Ulicus, 04 mai 2011 - 06:05 .

[LobselVith8]

Given how the Dalish boon goes bad even when the clans helped save the nation of Ferelden (and King Alistair makes it sound like the Dalish clans in the Hinterlands may have been killed), I doubt Garahel's achievement in ending the Fourth Blight meant much for humans. It's not like Shartan's participation in helping end the slavery of humanity by the Imperium prevented the Chantry's Exalted March on the Dales.

[Satyricon331]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...
Ingame, other than codex entries he is mentioned 2 times. One by Duncan when you ask him about the wardens during the city elf origin (It should have been in the Dalish too!) and the other by Morrigan after you Arl her Eamon and you are Elven...or so I am led to believe by the wiki. I personaly, don't remember any of those 2.

But iirc none of those things talks about where he came from, no?  Although I'll admit I had a preconception of him as a Dalish, so maybe I got that from somewhere I've forgotten.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

As much as I love Hawke, the fact she can't be an elf makes me sad. City Elf is my favourite origin so I was kind of bummed out that we didn't get much interaction with the elves in the alienage in DA2. I like Merrill and I did enjoy her stories about the dread wolf, I wish she'd told more stories.

[ReallyRue]

Whenever I thought about my elf Warden (an elf mage, no less) and how she might have a positive impact on Thedas' bigotry against elves, I remember the convsersation with Duncan about Garahel and think that it may not happen.

Also, I was a bit disheartened by the fact that you couldn't tell the elven children in the City Elf origin about Garahel, and instead told them about a made-up elf hero.

[mikx82]

a nice kingdom of the elves in an epic scale would be nice. kinda like rivendale in LOTR. XD if the humans have their kingdoms, capitols and cities and dwarves have their orzammar and thaigs, why do the elves only have the forest and caravans?

[Ulicus]

Because they lost a war.

[Sussurus]

The whole Flemith - Dalish, keeper thing pops into my mind.
I love the dalish, not least because they're more gaelic, / Cymru in tone now.
The city elves have been neglected this game though sadly.

If they do the origins style, I'd love more history or better yet a future to emerge.
I have to say after seeing 5 keepers / firsts it's about time the player got to live this lifestyle and see more than the snapshot we have seen so far.
As well as the clan meets that occur, it'd be fun to see the dalish massed.

As for their looks, at first I was shocked, I was petrified, but I will survive.
I think it suits some, especially the male elvhain but I think the females need a tad more work to allow more range than what weve seen.

[LobselVith8]

ReallyRue wrote...

Whenever I thought about my elf Warden (an elf mage, no less) and how she might have a positive impact on Thedas' bigotry against elves, I remember the convsersation with Duncan about Garahel and think that it may not happen.

Also, I was a bit disheartened by the fact that you couldn't tell the elven children in the City Elf origin about Garahel, and instead told them about a made-up elf hero.

Considering the impact that the Surana Warden had on so many socieities - from one of the last two remaining Great Thaigs to the leadership of Ferelden - it could be different than Garahel, who likely remained neutral as the Wardens are supposed to. Add to that the arling of Amaranthine and the repercusions of the royal boon, and I'd imagine that the elven Hero of Ferelden could inhabit the imaginations of the people for some time to come.

[JoHnDoE14]

Sussurus wrote...

The whole Flemith - Dalish, keeper thing pops into my mind.
I love the dalish, not least because they're more gaelic, / Cymru in tone now.
The city elves have been neglected this game though sadly.

If they do the origins style, I'd love more history or better yet a future to emerge.
I have to say after seeing 5 keepers / firsts it's about time the player got to live this lifestyle and see more than the snapshot we have seen so far.
As well as the clan meets that occur, it'd be fun to see the dalish massed.

As for their looks, at first I was shocked, I was petrified, but I will survive.
I think it suits some, especially the male elvhain but I think the females need a tad more work to allow more range than what weve seen.

Yeah, I'd really love to see a dynamic keeper, with strong oppinions and with lots of conversatiotn...I just felt that I wanted to discuss more things with Zathrian and Marethari.

[Wulfram]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering the impact that the Surana Warden had on so many socieities - from one of the last two remaining Great Thaigs to the leadership of Ferelden - it could be different than Garahel, who likely remained neutral as the Wardens are supposed to. Add to that the arling of Amaranthine and the repercusions of the royal boon, and I'd imagine that the elven Hero of Ferelden could inhabit the imaginations of the people for some time to come.

People will remember the Hero of Ferelden, but they'll likely remember them as a warden, not as an Elf.

[Zeevico]

after you Arl her Eamon and you are Elven...

Hmm...one wonders if the Merrill version of this "giggle" her "squee." Or perhaps it's the other way around.

[element eater]

i really like the elves in da and would like to see them feature more prominently in the games. my only real issue with this would be that I would probably just feel more annoyed that i couldn't play as one at least if they aren't in the story much i can just ignore it

[LobselVith8]

Wulfram wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering the impact that the Surana Warden had on so many socieities - from one of the last two remaining Great Thaigs to the leadership of Ferelden - it could be different than Garahel, who likely remained neutral as the Wardens are supposed to. Add to that the arling of Amaranthine and the repercusions of the royal boon, and I'd imagine that the elven Hero of Ferelden could inhabit the imaginations of the people for some time to come.

People will remember the Hero of Ferelden, but they'll likely remember them as a warden, not as an Elf.

Perhaps you're right, but Loghain's background as a commoner was still in the minds of the people thirty years after he helped free Ferelden from the Orlesians. I can imagine an elven mage who helped stop the Blight would be viewed of as a hero in the Alienage (particularly if he was originally from the Denerim Alienage, as the protagonist can state) and among the mages across the continent if he asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence from the Chantry.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Perhaps you're right, but Loghain's background as a commoner was still in the minds of the people thirty years after he helped free Ferelden from the Orlesians. I can imagine an elven mage who helped stop the Blight would be viewed of as a hero in the Alienage (particularly if he was originally from the Denerim Alienage, as the protagonist can state) and among the mages across the continent if he asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence from the Chantry.

No. No, because doing very much of this means branching games, which Bioware won't do. The kind of impact a Warden (just Dalish vs. City) might have if we allowed it to be broad in scope would be so massive that it would be impossible to program and execute well.

[JoHnDoE14]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Perhaps you're right, but Loghain's background as a commoner was still in the minds of the people thirty years after he helped free Ferelden from the Orlesians. I can imagine an elven mage who helped stop the Blight would be viewed of as a hero in the Alienage (particularly if he was originally from the Denerim Alienage, as the protagonist can state) and among the mages across the continent if he asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence from the Chantry.

No. No, because doing very much of this means branching games, which Bioware won't do. The kind of impact a Warden (just Dalish vs. City) might have if we allowed it to be broad in scope would be so massive that it would be impossible to program and execute well.

If handled well, it could make the world feel different just with implications in the form of 1 or 2 lines. It would be awesome however  (and a good way to shut up displeased reviwers) to have the warden's Origins affect Thedas in profound ways.