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[shep82]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Dead Space is okay, not great, especially if you play it on PC which I do. The Sims, well if you're into simulations, I'm not, and Mass Effect 1 was very good, Mass Effect 2 not so much so I wouldn't count that either and if you ask my son, every sports game they make is screwed up.  One more thing, the only game you listed that is an rpg is Mass Effect.  Dead Space (3rd person shooter), Sims (simulation and I checked it out and think those games are not good), and Battlefield games again are shooters.

The point is you asked to name one game they havent screwed up. He did and I agree with him with the exception of the sims. EA did not IMO screw up ME 2 so I have no doubt in ME 3.

[BP20125810]

Also on the plus side; If ME3 had released in November, it would have had a similar development time as DA2...

[LT RADCZEK]

I coulda sworn I read somewhere that the delay was because they "wanted to further flesh out the RPG aspects of the game." :\\

At any rate, I say just wait for E3 before you jump to conclusions. Or better yet, just wait for the damn release. Yes, that article worries me, but I still believe ME3 will be great. Just maybe a bit less great than what I thought at first. Plus, I highly doubt the delay by a few months is so they can "dumb it down" more. But that's just me.

[jakal66]

Common sense...sorry same company totally screwed DA2...ahh?What??? As I mentioned before DAO was amazing, everyone trusted Bio totake part 2 to glory and what happened?

You're telling me Bioware is ****up proof...sorry man..no franchise is...

Hopefully they learnt their lesson...just accept that what you may see as gold I might see as crap...

[jakal66]

BP20125810 wrote...

Also on the plus side; If ME3 had released in November, it would have had a similar development time as DA2...

No...

[InvaderErl]

jakal66 wrote...

Common sense...sorry same company totally screwed DA2...ahh?What??? As I mentioned before DAO was amazing, everyone trusted Bio totake part 2 to glory and what happened?

You're telling me Bioware is ****up proof...sorry man..no franchise is...

Hopefully they learnt their lesson...just accept that what you may see as gold I might see as crap...

No I'm saying that I don't see how the development of a PHONE game is going to impact the development of a Console/PC game. Its not as if the core team is going to stop development to work on THAT. Its not as if they're going to change the gameplay to mirror that of a phone game. Please explain this scenario to me. It'll have no more impact than ME: Galaxy did.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 mai 2011 - 03:19 .

[DTKT]

InvaderErl wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Common sense...sorry same company totally screwed DA2...ahh?What??? As I mentioned before DAO was amazing, everyone trusted Bio totake part 2 to glory and what happened?

You're telling me Bioware is ****up proof...sorry man..no franchise is...

Hopefully they learnt their lesson...just accept that what you may see as gold I might see as crap...

No I'm saying that I don't see how the development of a PHONE game is going to impact the development of a Console/PC game. Its not as if the core team is going to stop development to work on THAT. Its not as if they're going to change the gameplay to mirror that of a phone game. Please explain this scenario to me. It'll have no more impact than ME: Galaxy did.

It's even more likely that the phone are done by an entire different studio inside EA.

[Lusitanum]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

General comment because frankly I am leaning more towards the "it's
ruined forever" side.  Name me one franchise that EA hasn't screwed up.

Besides the ones InvaderErl already mentioned? OK:

• Burnout
• System Shock
• Sim City
• Need for Speed
• Crysis
• Command & Conquer

Granted, I'm not their biggest fan either, but that doesn't mean I won't see worth in what's deserving of it.

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Now I enjoyed ME2, but to make it more shooter and less rpg will
definitely not make the game better.  It will make the game worse and
frankly, the trilogy should go out with power and bring epic thrills to
all of us faithful followers.  Bioware wants to do that, EA may just be
stopping them from doing it.

Simple question then: why?

The RPG factors in ME1 were what dragged it down needlesly: the inventory system required needless micromanagement, the game threw skills at your face than weren't necessary (why do we still need skills to open chests? And why do we need two of them for the exact same action?), the whole "aiming based on character skill" made no sense when you're supposed to be a high-ranking and extremely capable soldier (and it became irrelevant after a few levels when your shots became 100% accurate anyway) and the whole combat was the worst aspect of that game.

So what did Bioware do? They improved on the game's biggest flaw, cut down on the number of skills but made them more distinct from each other (so now we actually had character builds that varied depending on your playstyle) and what did we get?

Craploads of whinning about how the game was too much like a shooter. Because you obviously want to neglect the game mode you're going to spend 75% of your gameplay time in. Oh, sure, the game still had an interesting story, memorable characters, moral choices, loads of quests and all that... but the combat had been improved. It was actually fun. And that just won't do! We want our combat systems to look awkward and boring, with tons of needless bells and whistles to make it look more complicated than it actually is so it alienates people before they even manage to get into the game!

Seriously though, why?

sevalaricgirl wrote...
One more thing, the only game you
listed that is an rpg is Mass Effect.  Dead Space (3rd person shooter),
Sims (simulation and I checked it out and think those games are not
good), and Battlefield games again are shooters.

You asked for "one FRANCHISE that EA hasn't screwed up" and now that we're mentioning a crapload of them you're going for that weak "they're not RPGs"? Especially when EA doesn't  have a single RPG franchise outside of Bioware? Are you just making up new rules as you go?

And how does that even affect anything? It's not like previous experience with a given genre dictates is an indication if they're going to manage a game properly or not.

[shep82]

DTKT wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Common sense...sorry same company totally screwed DA2...ahh?What??? As I mentioned before DAO was amazing, everyone trusted Bio totake part 2 to glory and what happened?

You're telling me Bioware is ****up proof...sorry man..no franchise is...

Hopefully they learnt their lesson...just accept that what you may see as gold I might see as crap...

No I'm saying that I don't see how the development of a PHONE game is going to impact the development of a Console/PC game. Its not as if the core team is going to stop development to work on THAT. Its not as if they're going to change the gameplay to mirror that of a phone game. Please explain this scenario to me. It'll have no more impact than ME: Galaxy did.

It's even more likely that the phone are done by an entire different studio inside EA.

Duh. I wish people here actually used their brains. (not directed at you)

[Darth Death]

Oddly, this is great news IMO. Do your best BioWare.

[jakal66]

InvaderErl wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

Common sense...sorry same company totally screwed DA2...ahh?What??? As I mentioned before DAO was amazing, everyone trusted Bio totake part 2 to glory and what happened?

You're telling me Bioware is ****up proof...sorry man..no franchise is...

Hopefully they learnt their lesson...just accept that what you may see as gold I might see as crap...

No I'm saying that I don't see how the development of a PHONE game is going to impact the development of a Console/PC game. Its not as if the core team is going to stop development to work on THAT. Its not as if they're going to change the gameplay to mirror that of a phone game. Please explain this scenario to me. It'll have no more impact than ME: Galaxy did.

Iam not saying it will directly compromise ME3, probably it will not...The point I'm trying to make is that blind faith is as useless constant complaining...this game has the same percentage of possiblity to Rise or to Fall as DA2 had.
And when they talk about broadening the audience all I can think of ...or perhaps what worries me is"what are they going to do to the game in these months to come?"

[InvaderErl]

I think DA2 on day one looked to be a compromised game. Is the Bioware team infallible? No. They made ME1/DA2, two games I thought were pretty badly flawed. However, the clear direction the ME team has had from the start with ME2-onward and what I saw in Gameinformer and Playstation Magazine has me convinced that they're taking the series in the right direction. If this somehow proves not to be the case, then that will be the case and I WILL complain about it.

But just as we should not have blind faith in them I think its equally unfair to as you say have complete and utter skepticism for every single move they make. Especially when the ME team is NOT the DA2 team.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 mai 2011 - 03:31 .

[MajorStranger]

Good. I'll have time to play Skyrim and battlefield 3 then. As long as they make sure to give us an awesome collector edition that won't get abandonned like the Fable 2 one i'm fine with it. make sure to give an experience as good as the first 2 were.

[Computer_God91]

Mass Effect 3 will be released in the first three months of 2012. The development team is laser focused on making sure Mass Effect 3 is the biggest, boldest and best game in the series, ensuring that it exceeds everyone’s expectations.” - Casey Hudson, Executive Producer Mass Effect series

Don't let me down Casey, ME2 was very disappointing. Take all the time you guys need to make this the best of the series, I want to actually be saying that myself once I've beaten it instead of saying ME1 was the only good game of the trilogy.

Take your time Bioware, take your time. The more time you have on it the better it'll be.

[jakal66]

Still I believe they will make a great game!

[Killer3000ad]

Looks like all our complaining about the fiasco that was DA2 worked. Good on Casey for not pulling a Laidlaw.

[Thalorin1919]

Hell, I don't mind, since they are aiming at a perfect experience for the players.

Also, those screenshots look amazing.

[jakal66]

Yeah and I will be able to buy BF3, and save some money for later...

[Therefore_I_Am]

InvaderErl wrote...

I think DA2 on day one looked to be a compromised game. Is the Bioware team infallible? No. They made ME1/DA2, two games I thought were pretty badly flawed. However, the clear direction the ME team has had from the start with ME2-onward and what I saw in Gameinformer and Playstation Magazine has me convinced that they're taking the series in the right direction. If this somehow proves not to be the case, then that will be the case and I WILL complain about it.

But just as we should not have blind faith in them I think its equally unfair to as you say have complete and utter skepticism for every single move they make. Especially when the ME team is NOT the DA2 team.

It's not so much the puppet as it has to with the puppetmaster.
I think what Casey Hudson is(or was) trying to do is to make a happy medium between RPG and TPS; that's his vision as stated from GI interviews. To make the hardcore and casual fans happy at the same time with ME3. But what it looks like from the most recent article, with the GI interviews just days ago, an EA representitve seemed to have pulled a "sorry rabbit trix are for kids" gag on the hardcore fanbase and people outside the realm of these forums... It's not healthy for EA if they actually go down this route.; "Broadening there customer base" but in reality I bet they will lose up to half of the people who folllowed since ME1... severely affecting their sales. Although the question if they actually will simplify the game more is still up in the air. If Mass Effect 3 does come out as the skeptics here are predicting, there will be campaign smearing and inferno rage galore from all the people here, I can just see it.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 05 mai 2011 - 04:22 .

[InvaderErl]

The question of course is how much of what he was saying was just to placate investors that the delay would have no effect on their profits but rather increase them(!). He made it sound like we would see these changes at E3 which makes me think he's just trying to pass off the gameplay we've already seen hinted at in the mags as something that necessitated the delay when in reality the delay is most likely just to avoid the cluster**** that is going to be going on during the Fall with the numerous major releases coming out.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[jakal66]

I guess we'll see at E3.

[KainrycKarr]

I want to know exactly what they are doing to make ME3 appeal to a "broader audience".

Are they cutting down the RPG aspects that explicitly stated would be improved this time?
Multiplayer?
Changing lore?

Because it could be a good thing. But any of those three....would probably mean me NOT pre-ordering, or buying new.

[LordAnguis]

First reaction, when I saw it in my Google Alerts: More time to polish and choose which playthroughs from the first two games I'll use and get a bigger hard drive for the Xbox.
Second reaction: Thank God. I don't want a crappy final installment.
Third and final reaction: Avoid BW forums in case there's a rampage of angry fans; which, in would make no sense considering the constant bemoaning of the second game. Gotta admit I was concerned about the rather quick release of ME3; but at least it'll be sometime around January-March of next year. I have no TV shows I can think I'll be watching religiously, and, if you subscribe to that oddly popular myth, the world ends in December of next year. Lots of time to play the final ME game before the end....(Evil laughter interrupted by hacking cough.)

[Digifi]

Well even the intro comic could be appealing to a wider audience by trying to get people to start playing the 3rd game of a trilogy. Based onthe other stuff we've seen so far I'm chalking this up to marketing dweebspeak.

[Yakko77]

I still wonder if this delay has more to do with the Star Wars: The Old Republic release date than any need got more development time for ME3. SW:TOR has been in development for a long time... maybe it's close to release sometime later this year.