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[Xeranx]

If multiplayer goes in I'll forget about buying the game. I thought a 2011 release was a rush job alone. If this delay is to put in multiplayer then it's $60 (really?) of entertainment money I can use to buy gas instead or the next game that'll be better than ME3.

[Guanxii]

In my view the delay is probably motivated by the launch of The Old Republic and the crowded release schedule window this fall. TOR must be made the top strategic priority this holiday season given it's (long-term) importance to both EA and BioWare:

Given it's enormous cost undertakings and the gargantuan size of the initial investment from both parties and the inherent risks involved with the genre. If either are to have any hope of ever turning a profit it HAS to succeed majorly if it's going to be viable at all in the long term let alone effectively compete with ActivisionBlizzard's primacy. It would be a major mistake to launch TOR along side Mass Effect 3 as it would divert vital resources at a critical point in time and such a move should avert any potential sales cannibalism. It could have harmed both titles in effect and if TOR flops it could spell the end of BioWare. Too risky given the competition.

Edit: Speaking of which both direct and indirect this fall is absolutely ridiculous... off the top of my head;

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Gears of War 3
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Max Payne 3
Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Resistance 3 & a Team Ico Collection on PS3
original Halo Remastered in HD (10th Anniversary), etc

.....Whereas January, 2012???? *crickets* ?????? *tumbleweed* ?????

Modifié par Guanxii, 05 mai 2011 - 10:13 .

[Mr. Man]

Xeranx wrote...

If multiplayer goes in I'll forget about buying the game. I thought a 2011 release was a rush job alone. If this delay is to put in multiplayer then it's $60 (really?) of entertainment money I can use to buy gas instead or the next game that'll be better than ME3.

Agreed. If there is multiplayer included in the game, I will ignore ME3 out of spite. Those who betray their fanbase mustn't be rewarded. However, I don't think Bioware would do that, I trust them.

[Abrams216]

Ever since this game was announced, I was hoping it would get delayed. I'm wishing they'd take another three months. Still, if they can get an awesome product out early 2012, it will be well worth it.

[Xeranx]

Mr. Man wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

If multiplayer goes in I'll forget about buying the game. I thought a 2011 release was a rush job alone. If this delay is to put in multiplayer then it's $60 (really?) of entertainment money I can use to buy gas instead or the next game that'll be better than ME3.

Agreed. If there is multiplayer included in the game, I will ignore ME3 out of spite. Those who betray their fanbase mustn't be rewarded. However, I don't think Bioware would do that, I trust them.

Funny how I think about that Seinfeld episode when Jerry wanted to return a jacket out of spite. 

[Niddy']

I don't know how they could make ME3 more streamlined than ME2 was or more open to new people.


What angers me the most is they are tying to make ME3 more open to incoming people, which me to is nonsense. If someone isn't interested in the first two games you've created, why would you try and cater to them in your third? 



http://www.computera...ole-playing-ele
ments/

>"We
want to enrich the role-playing aspects of the game, while making sure
that they're always meaningful in combat," she said when asked about how
the faster, fluider combat gelled with the game's RPG systems.

>"We
don't want to have any meaningless behind-the-scenes stat games, where
the output is very minor in combat. Every single thing you do has a real
impact in the battle."


Yeah... i'm losing faith in me3  <_<

Modifié par Niddy', 06 mai 2011 - 04:44 .

[Lyrandori]

Good, more time for me to play Skyrim.

[Saberchic]

I'm okay with the delay. That means they have more time to make it better.... by giving Shep back those righteous dance moves! Just say no the the ME2 shuffle!

[88mphSlayer]

Wentletrap wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Three words:

The
Old
Republic

I'm gonna agree with this.

I can't imagine they'd add any more polish to it - I think they know it's gonna sell a bunch, no matter how un/polished it is upon release.   (yes, I'm a little jaded after DA2...)

ehm from what i understand SWTOR was delayed to 2012 as well <_<

[MACharlie1]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Wentletrap wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Three words:

The
Old
Republic

I'm gonna agree with this.

I can't imagine they'd add any more polish to it - I think they know it's gonna sell a bunch, no matter how un/polished it is upon release.   (yes, I'm a little jaded after DA2...)

ehm from what i understand SWTOR was delayed to 2012 as well <_<

Maybe delayed. They don't know yet. But if I know LucasArts...and I do. They will most likely push Bioware for an early December release. Sound familiar? <_<

[Dracotamer]

Good for them. Don't rush games Bioware, release them when they are ready.

[KainrycKarr]

Niddy' wrote...

I don't know how they could make ME3 more streamlined than ME2 was or more open to new people.


What angers me the most is they are tying to make ME3 more open to incoming people, which me to is nonsense. If someone isn't interested in the first two games you've created, why would you try and cater to them in your third? 



http://www.computera...ole-playing-ele
ments/

>"We
want to enrich the role-playing aspects of the game, while making sure
that they're always meaningful in combat," she said when asked about how
the faster, fluider combat gelled with the game's RPG systems.

>"We
don't want to have any meaningless behind-the-scenes stat games, where
the output is very minor in combat. Every single thing you do has a real
impact in the battle."


Yeah... i'm losing faith in me3  <_<

Not gonna lie. That sounds really, really, bad. I'm having trouble convincing myself that that statement doesn't mean anything but more shooter, less role-playing.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Long as it gives them more time to get the game out and done right, I'm all for it, but I do doubt that polish is the only reason they delayed it. It seems like early 2012 presents fewer titles for ME3 to compete with at launch than late 2011 does.

Of course, if all this 2012 doomsaying actually points to the return of the Reapers, that would explain quite a lot.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 06 mai 2011 - 06:38 .

[Xeranx]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

I don't know how they could make ME3 more streamlined than ME2 was or more open to new people.


What angers me the most is they are tying to make ME3 more open to incoming people, which me to is nonsense. If someone isn't interested in the first two games you've created, why would you try and cater to them in your third? 



http://www.computera...ole-playing-ele
ments/

>"We
want to enrich the role-playing aspects of the game, while making sure
that they're always meaningful in combat," she said when asked about how
the faster, fluider combat gelled with the game's RPG systems.

>"We
don't want to have any meaningless behind-the-scenes stat games, where
the output is very minor in combat. Every single thing you do has a real
impact in the battle."


Yeah... i'm losing faith in me3  <_<

Not gonna lie. That sounds really, really, bad. I'm having trouble convincing myself that that statement doesn't mean anything but more shooter, less role-playing.

Well most things made with enriched components are devoid of substance meaning that they're like getting nothing at all.

[Nathan Redgrave]

"Mass Effect 3 will cut meaningless role-playing elements" is a really, really poor way to describe that statement. It forces the reader to think in terms of "less role-playing elements" even though that's not actually what's being said. When you interpret it in the light of what's already been said about the returning RPG elements so far, it's more like "Mass Effect 3 will attempt to balance RPG elements with action elements."

Think what you want about that, but looking at it from ME2's point of view, that still means more RPG elements.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Mr. Man wrote...

Agreed. If there is multiplayer included in the game, I will ignore ME3 out of spite. Those who betray their fanbase mustn't be rewarded. However, I don't think Bioware would do that, I trust them.

Okay, you know what? Take this argument and shove it where the son don't shine. Including multiplayer wouldn't be a "betrayal" of anything.

Which is a moot point since they've already flat-out denied the inclusion of multiplayer.

[KainrycKarr]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Mr. Man wrote...

Agreed. If there is multiplayer included in the game, I will ignore ME3 out of spite. Those who betray their fanbase mustn't be rewarded. However, I don't think Bioware would do that, I trust them.

Okay, you know what? Take this argument and shove it where the son don't shine. Including multiplayer wouldn't be a "betrayal" of anything.

Which is a moot point since they've already flat-out denied the inclusion of multiplayer.

To be fair....that was before they announced that they were delaying the game to make it more appealing to broader audiences.

[Nathan Redgrave]

KainrycKarr wrote...

To be fair....that was before they announced that they were delaying the game to make it more appealing to broader audiences.

That isn't what they announced. They announced they were delaying the game because "The development team is laser focused on making sure Mass Effect 3 is the biggest, boldest and best game in the series, ensuring that it exceeds everyone’s expectations." Which probably isn't even the reason (still betting it's more about the heavy competition in 2011 vs. the lack of competition in 2012), but you just outright pulled that one out of your arse.

[GuitarShredUK]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

To be fair....that was before they announced that they were delaying the game to make it more appealing to broader audiences.

That isn't what they announced. They announced they were delaying the game because "The development team is laser focused on making sure Mass Effect 3 is the biggest, boldest and best game in the series, ensuring that it exceeds everyone’s expectations." Which probably isn't even the reason (still betting it's more about the heavy competition in 2011 vs. the lack of competition in 2012), but you just outright pulled that one out of your arse.

@Nathan Redgrave: the "broader audiences" statement that KainryKarr is referring to was actually EA's CEO John Riccitello talking to EA investors, not someone from Bioware. 

John Riccitello said...

We're huge believers in the IP and are purposefully shifting it to address a larger market opportunity.

Now @Kainry: I did think this was what Riccitello meant at first by widening the potential audience for the game (honest  reaction) but on second thoughts what I think he essentially means is: "We're putting back the release of a key title to a period where there appears to be less competition in the market". So, less AAA titles coming out alongside ME3 = better for BW, better for EA as they have the opportunity for larger and more focused sales. 

TBH if this is the case, so moving ME3 away from a cluttered Q4 2011 with the likes of Skyrim especially is a good and sensible move IMO. 

[HTTP 404]

this is good news. hell delay it more if its to be more awesome. DA2 was a rushed product.

[Nathan Redgrave]

GuitarShredUK wrote...

@Nathan Redgrave: the "broader audiences" statement that KainryKarr is referring to was actually EA's CEO John Riccitello talking to EA investors, not someone from Bioware. 

In this case, he's talking to investors, so he says "ka-ching." Designers talking to fans, so they say "fun times." And it's important to note that Ser Riccitello's statement can easily just be taken as a confirmation that the shift in release date was more about the competition for the timeslot (it doesn't actually say "broader appeal," just "larger market opportunity"--if you know half a whit about business, you know that can mean any number of things).

Now @Kainry: I did think this was what Riccitello meant at first by widening the potential audience for the game (honest  reaction) but on second thoughts what I think he essentially means is: "We're putting back the release of a key title to a period where there appears to be less competition in the market". So, less AAA titles coming out alongside ME3 = better for BW, better for EA as they have the opportunity for larger and more focused sales. 

TBH if this is the case, so moving ME3 away from a cluttered Q4 2011 with the likes of Skyrim especially is a good and sensible move IMO.

I agree with the move, as well. I've seen a few good titles fall by the wayside due to poor timing (you can argue how good or bad Resonance of Fate was compared to FFXIII all year, but the fact that it was never going to compete with FFXIII at launch was blindingly obvious) to know that shifting the release date away from a heavy cluster of high-profile titles--in both the RPG and the action-shooter genres, even! competition on both fronts!--is a sound strategic move.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 06 mai 2011 - 07:27 .

[H4nniba11]

I expected the delay and actually kind of hoped for it. Let's give bioware all the time they need to create game that breaks worlds just being so damn awsome.

[vanslyke85]

there's a lot of interviews out there with Bioware dudes and gals where they say there will by no means be less RPG elements they will just be more integrated with what you have done and what you will be doing. They are also going to combine the RPG and shooter elements to make it a more fluid game. Before it seemed like one group worked on the RPG stuff and one group worked on the battle scenes and they didn't work together at all, for ME3 the role playing aspect and shooter aspect gel together like never before. For me, ME1 lacked the combat and ME2 lacked the role playing, it sounds like ME3 will give us a way better combination of both.

[Sandbox47]

naledgeborn wrote...

Valikdu wrote...

Most of you people have a ][ under the avatar.
So... WTF are you complaining about? They're not rushing the game out. It's great.

.... and this is my favorite post on the citadel.

I third that. And I need a ][ for myself, don't I? I do. Right, I'll get on it.