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SirShreK wrote...

how can it be technically correct when I never ever even said anything about it? Volourn is not even using Strawman. He/she/it is incapable of that. Volourn is just venting anger.

I believe Volourn was providing answer to a question "why not publish actual sales numbers?" asked by someone else.

edit: although yours was basically along the same lines, or at least read similar enough to me -- the post where you asked why a dev couldn't simply come to this thread and post confirmation how many units they've actually sold.

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SirShreK wrote...
Care to explain, please?

i'll see what I can do.

Volourn wrote
Because a) it's none of your business

This is generally the reason why companies don't tell you everything you want to know about their business. Really, you don't need to know how well the game is doing in ordert o make a buying decision. As you are not affiliated with the companies developing, publishing, manufacturing, distributing, or selling the game, anything you want to know about sales numbers are technically none of your business. Sure, it's always nice to know how well your favourite game (or, in this case, a game you dislike) is doing (or, in this case, not doing), but if no one from a company you're not affiliated with doesn't tell you, you'll have to get the information from other sources.

Similarly, if I wanted to know how much money you make or how much you have in the bank, you aren't likely to tell me, your employer wouldn't reveal that information, and your bank wouldn't either, because it's, quite simply, your financial status, your PIN, your credit card balance, and your investments are none of my damn business. But that's okay, because that information has no effect on what games we make to sell to you.

B) he deosn't have actual numbers
personally

This one should be pretty self-evident. If Chris doesn't know the actual numbers, he can't very well share them, even if he were able and willing to. Again, as you are not affiliated with our company, let alone his boss, he is not beholden to you, nor is he obligated to acceded to your demands. Not necessarily because he's mean, but as above, it's got nothing to do with you.

I could harangue you for months to tell me the phone number of a certain person in Moose Jaw, but if you don't have the information, there's no way you could give it to me, even if you wanted to, which you probably wouldn't, because I'd just ask you to find out his salary and how much he has in savings for me.

c) he doesn't have permission by his bosses to post numbers
if he has them

This one's pretty important. No matter how much we want to tell you some things, sometimes we simply can't, due to the nature of our work. Most companies, especially in the creative or tech industries, are rather restrictive in what information their employees can reveal. Publicly-traded companies also are rather restrictive in what it can reveal and when. And employees generally are tight-lipped about their work since they've signed contracts limiting what they can say, to whom, and when. So... employeed of publicly-traded entertainment or tech companies would probably be tough nuts to crack, wouldn't they?

I have it on good authority that that guy from Moose Jaw works at your bank and knows your payroll person personally, and they talk about you all the time, so between them, they know exactly what you make and how much you have in the bank, but they're really not allowed to reveal that to anyone who doesn't work at the bank or your office, respectively. Your salary, not to mention your PIN, won't be revealed to me anytime soon.

d) you don't get info demanding it in the manner that you
which is very rdue, condescending, and arrogant.

This is the only one that doesn't apply to you, as I didn't find anything you said rude, condescending, or arrogant. Maybe only ignorant of some of the rules we have to work under or misguided. i hope that helps.

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I'd rather believe in VGChartz than numbers from the same company that made the game. I mean...seriously folks? They could say they sold 5 millions. They want to sell the game. Saying that it sold less won't help.


You really should consider what happens to a publicly traded company if they falsify numbers before saying something like the above.



Point taken.

Then again, why not publish actual sales numbers? :)



It's aggregated normally under sales, and includes all games, from all platforms. These are never discriminated by product/type in statements as these, by any company or corporation, how they are presented and what form is regulated by law, if same rules apply in the US as they do here. It was interesting to see how the finantial statements are done in the US. I'm an accountant by profession, so I guess I'm biased.

And do say they sold over 2 million units. That has to be carefully said, without error. Not knowing how in terms of accounting when a sale is relevated into the accounts, I'd be fairly sure they mean actual units sold, not consigned or shipped.


EA is doing very well in the cashflow front. Overall very interesting to read.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

SirShreK wrote...
Care to explain, please?

i'll see what I can do.

Volourn wrote
Because a) it's none of your business

This is generally the reason why companies don't tell you everything you want to know about their business. Really, you don't need to know how well the game is doing in ordert o make a buying decision. As you are not affiliated with the companies developing, publishing, manufacturing, distributing, or selling the game, anything you want to know about sales numbers are technically none of your business. Sure, it's always nice to know how well your favourite game (or, in this case, a game you dislike) is doing (or, in this case, not doing), but if no one from a company you're not affiliated with doesn't tell you, you'll have to get the information from other sources.

Similarly, if I wanted to know how much money you make or how much you have in the bank, you aren't likely to tell me, your employer wouldn't reveal that information, and your bank wouldn't either, because it's, quite simply, your financial status, your PIN, your credit card balance, and your investments are none of my damn business. But that's okay, because that information has no effect on what games we make to sell to you.

B) he deosn't have actual numbers
personally

This one should be pretty self-evident. If Chris doesn't know the actual numbers, he can't very well share them, even if he were able and willing to. Again, as you are not affiliated with our company, let alone his boss, he is not beholden to you, nor is he obligated to acceded to your demands. Not necessarily because he's mean, but as above, it's got nothing to do with you.

I could harangue you for months to tell me the phone number of a certain person in Moose Jaw, but if you don't have the information, there's no way you could give it to me, even if you wanted to, which you probably wouldn't, because I'd just ask you to find out his salary and how much he has in savings for me.

c) he doesn't have permission by his bosses to post numbers
if he has them

This one's pretty important. No matter how much we want to tell you some things, sometimes we simply can't, due to the nature of our work. Most companies, especially in the creative or tech industries, are rather restrictive in what information their employees can reveal. Publicly-traded companies also are rather restrictive in what it can reveal and when. And employees generally are tight-lipped about their work since they've signed contracts limiting what they can say, to whom, and when. So... employeed of publicly-traded entertainment or tech companies would probably be tough nuts to crack, wouldn't they?

I have it on good authority that that guy from Moose Jaw works at your bank and knows your payroll person personally, and they talk about you all the time, so between them, they know exactly what you make and how much you have in the bank, but they're really not allowed to reveal that to anyone who doesn't work at the bank or your office, respectively. Your salary, not to mention your PIN, won't be revealed to me anytime soon.

d) you don't get info demanding it in the manner that you
which is very rdue, condescending, and arrogant.

This is the only one that doesn't apply to you, as I didn't find anything you said rude, condescending, or arrogant. Maybe only ignorant of some of the rules we have to work under or misguided. i hope that helps.


With due respect, I never asked for any of this. I simply asked if these numbers are Shipped or sold to consumers. I am sure all you guys are privy to that information. But perhaps this information is not my business either. B)

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Heh. 2 million shipped, 1.5 million subsequently furiously discounted in order to move stock and free up expensive warehouse space.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 mai 2011 - 11:37 .


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Stanley Woo, my eyes! Why must you make such long posts.

End of line.

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Noone in their right mind would actually buy DA3 after this [blooming] [unicorn] fiasco.

:ph34r:[No swearing, please.]:ph34r:

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 04 mai 2011 - 11:44 .


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jmbrosendo wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I'd rather believe in VGChartz than numbers from the same company that made the game. I mean...seriously folks? They could say they sold 5 millions. They want to sell the game. Saying that it sold less won't help.


You really should consider what happens to a publicly traded company if they falsify numbers before saying something like the above.



Point taken.

Then again, why not publish actual sales numbers? :)



It's aggregated normally under sales, and includes all games, from all platforms. These are never discriminated by product/type in statements as these, by any company or corporation, how they are presented and what form is regulated by law, if same rules apply in the US as they do here. It was interesting to see how the finantial statements are done in the US. I'm an accountant by profession, so I guess I'm biased.

And do say they sold over 2 million units. That has to be carefully said, without error. Not knowing how in terms of accounting when a sale is relevated into the accounts, I'd be fairly sure they mean actual units sold, not consigned or shipped.


EA is doing very well in the cashflow front. Overall very interesting to read.


Actually, the OP has deleted the 'in' from after the 'sold' for the sentance relating to DA2.

Go and read the original article.  DA2 has 'sold in' more than 2 million copies.  This means it has shipped over 2 million copies.

EDIT: You can ignore this now.  Stanley has kindly edited the original post so that it provides the correct quote.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 04 mai 2011 - 11:57 .


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No, DA2 + ME2 for one low low price sold 2 Million copies.

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SirShreK wrote...
With due respect, I never asked for any of this. I simply asked if these numbers are Shipped or sold to consumers. I am sure all you guys are privy to that information.

I suppose you would know better than we do what we're privy to, right?

But perhaps this information is not my business either. B)

It's usually safer to assume a company isn't going to answer your questions and be pleasantly when it does, than the other way around. That said, we never begrudge our community their desire to ask questions. We simply may not be able to answer them, or provide satisfactory answers, so somtimes it really is better to not answer at all.

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Hatchetman77 wrote...

No, DA2 + ME2 for one low low price sold 2 Million copies.


I doubt it.  I believe the sequel promotion applied to the PC version of Dragon Age II and many(not ALL mind you!) PC gamers won't care about some buy one get one free kind of deal since they get all their stuff for free from torrent websites to begin with.
If the deal also extended to the 360 then I doubt that would matter much either since Mass Effect 2 has already been out for a year, can be purchased cheaply and most who were interested likely purchased it a long time ago.  Same thing goes for legitimate PC owners.

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Hatchetman77 wrote...

No, DA2 + ME2 for one low low price sold 2 Million copies.


Incorrect.  EA's 4th quarter ended March 31.  The "Sequel Celebration" was announced 29 days ago... in April.

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veramis wrote...

Stanley Woo, my eyes! Why must you make such long posts.

End of line.

Because many people believe that business operations work exactly the same way as you selling a DVD to your buddy, and that companies are as free to talk or do as you and I are after a few drinks. Before I started in this business, I had no idea how much work everything required or how big businesses worked. Now that I know some of these things, I attempt to add some education and examples, in case others as just as ignorant of the process as I was back then!

EDIT: Also, I'm a pedantic [monkey-fighter]!

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Stanley,
If it's not too much trouble to ask, would you please consider editing the original post so that the quote reads:

"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold in more than two million units."
(I've bolded and underlined the extra 'in' that needs to be added after the second 'sold')

Rather than:
"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold more than two million units."

As it stands, the article is mis-quoted, giving a false impression to any that read the original post.
 

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 04 mai 2011 - 11:50 .


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Do you still get courtesy copies, or do they make you buy them now?

In any case, Boiny Bunny (to be fair, that editorial mistake may not have even been the poster's, but from where he copied it from) pointed out that the official statement makes it clear (if there was ever any doubt) that this is product shipped.

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Boiny Bunny wrote...

Stanley,
If it's not too much trouble to ask, would you please consider editing the original post so that the quote reads:

"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold in more than two million units."
(I've bolded and underlined the extra 'in' that needs to be added after the second 'sold')

Rather than:
"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold more than two million units."

As it stands, the article is mis-quoted, giving a false impression to any that read the original post.
 

Will do. Thank you.

EDIT: Done.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 04 mai 2011 - 11:53 .


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Stanley Woo wrote...

EDIT: Also, I'm a pedantic [monkey-fighter]!


DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FIND A STRANGER IN THE ALPS?!?!

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Stanley,
If it's not too much trouble to ask, would you please consider editing the original post so that the quote reads:

"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold in more than two million units."
(I've bolded and underlined the extra 'in' that needs to be added after the second 'sold')

Rather than:
"EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis2, Dragon Age 2 and Dead Space 2 each sold more than two million units."

As it stands, the article is mis-quoted, giving a false impression to any that read the original post.
 

Will do. Thank you.


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It is the end of the world as we know it.

JK.

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Congratulations to Bioware.

I want to make a snarky "was it worth it?" type comment, but 2 million copies shipped is 2 million copies. I don't think it will match up with Origins sales figures, but it's still decent sales and comparable with the Mass Effect games.

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I.. don't know what to do when Mr Woo repsonds with more than 10 words. It just feels odd!
Mr Stanley, besides moderate the forums, what do you do at Bioware? If I may ask :)

@turnip root
Please don't assume PC gamers are going to pirate. I find the majority of pirating is quite low, and I've seen increases for xbox360 pirating more now a days.

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neppakyo wrote...

I.. don't know what to do when Mr Woo repsonds with more than 10 words. It just feels odd!
Mr Stanley, besides moderate the forums, what do you do at Bioware? If I may ask :)

@turnip root
Please don't assume PC gamers are going to pirate. I find the majority of pirating is quite low, and I've seen increases for xbox360 pirating more now a days.


I believe Stanley works as a QA (quality assurance) analyst, and a moderator on these forums.

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Stanley!)

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Noone in their right mind would actually buy DA3 after this [blooming] [unicorn] fiasco.

:ph34r:[No swearing, please.]:ph34r:

Unicorns are awesome. How dare you slander the noble blooming unicorn!

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He's eternally QA (back to even NWN or BG series). And apparently he doesn't get free copies of the games they work on when they ship anymore. Down with the corporate overlords!

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Noone in their right mind would actually buy DA3 after this [blooming] [unicorn] fiasco.

:ph34r:[No swearing, please.]:ph34r:

Unicorns are awesome. How dare you slander the noble blooming unicorn!


Gotta love the DAII ponies & unicorns. :wub: