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[neppakyo]

Boiny Bunny wrote...


I believe Stanley works as a QA (quality assurance) analyst, and a moderator on these forums.

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Stanley!)

Oh, QA, so he missed all that map recycling and ninja parachuters? *runs*

I kid, I kid!

EDIT: @Pepsironi.

I killed all the unicorns. For the horns!

Modifié par neppakyo, 05 mai 2011 - 12:09 .

[TheTranzor]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I'd rather believe in VGChartz than numbers from the same company that made the game. I mean...seriously folks? They could say they sold 5 millions. They want to sell the game. Saying that it sold less won't help.

I bet you believe everything on Wikipedia is true too... must be true if it's on teh interwebs! 

VGChartz is crap... you know how I know?  It has a "z" on the end of its name instead of an "s".  How can anyone take seriously the "research" from a company that willfully abuses the English language for the sake of looking cool? 

[Persephone]

neppakyo wrote...

EDIT: @Pepsironi.

I killed all the unicorns. For the horns!

I heard they have healing powers.

[xkg]

neppakyo wrote...
...
Mr Stanley, besides moderate the forums, what do you do at Bioware? If I may ask
...

http://social.biowar...82751/2#7286260

[neppakyo]

Persephone wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

EDIT: @Pepsironi.

I killed all the unicorns. For the horns!

I heard they have healing powers.

They do, and they extend penis' and breast size too!

*At X, thanks. at work on laptop, so im on it maybe a couple minutes at a time

[Jerrybnsn]

Did anyone else noticed that the report was stated for the end of March 31st one week after Crysis 2 was released? Crysis 2 only sold 712,000 units that first week on all three platforms. In fact, I don't see how Crysis 2 has sold over 2 million yet.

The reports numbers are very fishy.

[Volourn]

"Mighty strong words Volourn. Mighty strong. Whether these questions are my business or not is not your business."

You made a post in a public forum. That makes it everyone allowed to read thse forums' business. Just like every post I make in this public forum is your business.

[astrallite]

EA is the vendor and they sold 2 million copies to retailers. This is equivalent to copies shipped.

TheTranzor wrote...

VGChartz
is crap... you know how I know?  It has a "z" on the end of its name
instead of an "s".  How can anyone take seriously the "research" from a
company that willfully abuses the English language for the sake of
looking cool? 

Apparently it's good enough for the Wall Street Journal, NYT, Forbes, Fortune, and O'Reily.

Modifié par astrallite, 05 mai 2011 - 12:38 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Ah, I see. ha, ha. It says "sold IN" as in "shipped. All about nothing. Talk about getting people worked up over spin talk.

[devSin]

Did anyone else noticed that the report was stated for the end of March 31st one week after Crysis 2 was released?

These are units shipped, not sold to customers. So there may still be significant product that remains unsold (but it's still "sold," until they have to buy it back).

[Persephone]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Ah, I see. ha, ha. It says "sold IN" as in "shipped. All about nothing. Talk about getting people worked up over spin talk.

I can think of MANY companies who can only DREAM of such numbers. Including developing studios. And given the other titles mentioned, it looks pretty darn good.

Modifié par Persephone, 05 mai 2011 - 12:40 .

[MingWolf]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Did anyone else noticed that the report was stated for the end of March 31st one week after Crysis 2 was released? Crysis 2 only sold 712,000 units that first week on all three platforms. In fact, I don't see how Crysis 2 has sold over 2 million yet.

The reports numbers are very fishy.

Good catch, and your probably right.   It doesn't make sense.

Really though, we're all trying to interpret the wording of one little sentence that isn't even part of the financial statements.  Its more of a vague summary than anything that should not be taken too seriously, whether its accurate or not.  Most investors would look at the dollar numbers below than to pay much mind to the accuracy of the summary at the top.  The person who wrote those highlights, just from a glance at the document, is probably not the same person who compiled the financial information.

[RaenImrahl]

Volourn wrote...

"Mighty strong words Volourn. Mighty strong. Whether these questions are my business or not is not your business."

You made a post in a public forum. That makes it everyone allowed to read thse forums' business. Just like every post I make in this public forum is your business.

Stay on topic, please. 

[Jerrybnsn]

So these numbers are to show the stockholders that EA is a very profitable company to invest in. But here, the belief is that these numbers hold the tipping balance to whether DAIII will be more Origins again, or stay the DAII course....am I right?

[uberdowzen]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I'd rather believe in VGChartz than numbers from the same company that made the game. I mean...seriously folks? They could say they sold 5 millions. They want to sell the game. Saying that it sold less won't help.

So, you're saying that a public company (which, as far as I know, is legally obligated to state accurate figures) is lying and you'd rather place your trust in VGChartz a site which is known for not always being accurate. (http://www.gamesetwa...tz_does_and.php).

[TheConfidenceMan]

"sold in" lol

[MingWolf]

I think people just want to see whether or not DAII was a success or a failure, because beyond reviews and such, the financial values are a more quantifiable measure. I'm speculating.

Can anyone clarify the usage "sold in"? I've never seen it attributed to shipped vs sold before. If it means shipped, then its useless information. Financial data cannot reflect revenues that are merely shipped, only those that are actually sold to end customers (otherwise the accountant should be canned for misrepresenting information). If it means sold, then the quoted 2 million figures for Crysis 2, DA2, etc., is questionable.

[Boiny Bunny]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

So these numbers are to show the stockholders that EA is a very profitable company to invest in. But here, the belief is that these numbers hold the tipping balance to whether DAIII will be more Origins again, or stay the DAII course....am I right?

I wouldn't say profitable given the last few quarters results...

[Sylvianus]

wow two topics ?

EA have already attempted to inflate grades for DA2.... and justified itself by saying oddly that everyone did this.... Do not be too quick to believe naively what a company says about its game in public. Instead, look the other sites, what you want, the ones you like, you trust but stay distant with claim's companies like thoses of EA.

Note that I have nothing against EA, I just never forget when a company misleads or attempts dishonest things. I become more cautious.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 05 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[Demx]

Poleaxe wrote...

dheer wrote...

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...
They're "sold in" numbers. They dont say anything really. Same thing as saying shipped. Customers did not purchase 2 million copies of DA2.

Exactly. Their goal is to shape the announcement so it'll look as positive as it can to shareholders and potential investors.

I can find no mention on the internet of "sold in" meaning shipped. If you can produce an example, please do.

This is what I found.

http://www.allbusine.../4964002-1.html

[MingWolf]

Siradix wrote...

This is what I found.

http://www.allbusine.../4964002-1.html

"sell-in

manufacturers' efforts to persuade retailers to distribute and
stock their products. For example, if the XYZ Company wants to convince a
retailer to feature its product on the store's shelf, it might offer
special discounts or promotions that compare more favorably than its
competitors."

Assuming that definition is correct to the usage of "sold in" used in the document, then that quoted 2 million figure pretty much means nothing at all.  Sneaky .  Still have reasons to think that they were actually referring to sales, but then I just can't see them selling 2 million copies of Crysis 2 in just one week alone.  Have to wag a finger either way, just for the fun of it. 

Modifié par MingWolf, 05 mai 2011 - 01:18 .

[Tommy6860]

MingWolf wrote...

I think people just want to see whether or not DAII was a success or a failure, because beyond reviews and such, the financial values are a more quantifiable measure. I'm speculating.

Can anyone clarify the usage "sold in"? I've never seen it attributed to shipped vs sold before. If it means shipped, then its useless information. Financial data cannot reflect revenues that are merely shipped, only those that are actually sold to end customers (otherwise the accountant should be canned for misrepresenting information). If it means sold, then the quoted 2 million figures for Crysis 2, DA2, etc., is questionable.

This^ is really one of the few post that asks about definition of what this all means other than some worrying about how well their beloved or most hated franchise is doing for the sake of proving their respective arguments. Only EA and the B&M stores know what was is actually sold to the end user. There are a lot of semantics used in defining what sold means when posting economic data, especially for shareholders. They cannot lie about it, but there is no particular wording that has to be followed verbatim to reflect that, since "other" outlets than EA sell the games.

There are also digital downloads that are definitely sold to the end user, I think most know that. Whatever the stores take in inventory can be construed as "sold", as stores don't simply get inventory, and then pay the manfacturer back based on the sales. Then there are contracts with stores where they may buy "X" amount of stock and if some of it doesn't sell, it may be sent back, but at some other cost. We just know what all of this entails and it is really fruitless outside of EA telling us, or ALL of the stores relaying what actually was sold to a customer at their stores.

VG, as they claim, gets most of their data from actual retailers as sold to the end user, then they extrapolate that into a (fairly large) hit or miss % on what they figure was sold through many samplings. It isn't perfect, but it can give an idea. But if they are not getting actual data from at least the majority of the retail outlets, then it can be very misleading. Also consider, they don't (unless someone knows otherwise) gather data of digital downloads as that can make their data faulty even more-so.

[88mphSlayer]

Vice-Admiral von Titsling wrote...

Two million copies shipped or stocked, not two million copies sold.

stores don't order additional copies just for ****s and giggles...

[IndigoWolfe]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vice-Admiral von Titsling wrote...

Two million copies shipped or stocked, not two million copies sold.

stores don't order additional copies just for ****s and giggles...

They order them for ****s, giggles and because someone lost the collection of dominoes they use to pass time.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Stanley Woo wrote...

SirShreK wrote...
Care to explain, please?

i'll see what I can do.

Volourn wrote
Because a) it's none of your business

This is generally the reason why companies don't tell you everything you want to know about their business. Really, you don't need to know how well the game is doing in ordert o make a buying decision. As you are not affiliated with the companies developing, publishing, manufacturing, distributing, or selling the game, anything you want to know about sales numbers are technically none of your business. Sure, it's always nice to know how well your favourite game (or, in this case, a game you dislike) is doing (or, in this case, not doing), but if no one from a company you're not affiliated with doesn't tell you, you'll have to get the information from other sources.

Apparently it's only our business when companies try to make numbers public and inflate them with vague words, then it's fine. Now when it comes to asking about the real numbers on clear terms -- I can understand why it's not our business.