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[MingWolf]

nopho wrote...

Utoryo wrote...

Sabriana: It's 2M up to yesterday, not up to the end of the financial period. So it's quite a bit more than one week for Crysis 2! No matter whether it's shipped to retailers or sold, DA2's >2M is still a comparable number to the 3.2M for DA:O up to December 2009. Nothing mind blowing, but given that this is not a holiday quarter, it's still very solid. I'm surprised myself, but there's no point to these silly conspiracy theories.

i'd be quite interested in the evidence you got for that

as it is a report of their fiscal year which ended on march 31st. writing the numbers of one more month into that could be considered lying. and i do not know american law, but i guess that would be illegal there too.

It wouldn't be illegal, I think, unless they actually reported monetary amounts into the rest of the report.  Nonetheless, it is a little misleading.  Still, its just one sentence, and probably not written by the same person who compiled the financial data.  Also, theres the possibility of it being "shipped" as opposed to sold. 

Modifié par MingWolf, 05 mai 2011 - 06:07 .

[aries1001]

The sold in numbers are used to pay the developers, and EA, in this case, as the publishing house. That's why they're usefull - Bioware will get royalities (or EA?) from the 2 million copies being shipped (sold in). It doesn't really matter how many copies (sku's) were sold, since the 2 million being shipped is the number that is used to determine how much developers (Bioware) are paid.

Even if you subtract the 500,000 copies being pre-ordered, 1½ million games of DA2 being shipped (sold in) are still a succes...

[jlb524]

Zjarcal wrote...
Is it that they want DA2 to sell bad to feel vindicated or something?

Yes.

[neppakyo]

Not really. How about both sides to look at everything logically? Thats what I'm hoping for.

[Lord_Valandil]

jlb524 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Is it that they want DA2 to sell bad to feel vindicated or something?

Yes.

I wouldn't ever wish something bad to others, but I wouldn't feel happy if this means that they'll continue to follow DA2's path. Besides, they could have managed to sell 2 million copies, but certainly failed to "steal" the COD crowd.

[Jerrybnsn]

Still a lot of people here thinking that there was 2 million units of DAII sold. That's not what the report said. The closest thing we have to how many was sold is the vgchartz site...which as of last week had it somewhere around 1.4 to 1.5 million. Speaking of which, shouldn't we have a new listing to how much DAII sold this past week?

Edit:  I just checked last weeks vgchartz and it has DAII listed "sold units" at 1,278,713.  Take that with steams listing of DAII at 105,000 digital downloads and we have DAII selling 1.3 million in seven weeks.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 05 mai 2011 - 06:42 .

[Utoryo]

neppakyo wrote...
*sigh* People still having problems with reading? Like Sab said. MARCH 31st Go and click that link. Please.

I did read it and I've got a fair bit of experience reading investor reports (especially in the semiconductor arena though), so if I'm wrong (which is definitely possible) it has nothing to do with that.

In fact, I found a perfect proof with a quick Google: One year ago, EA announced Battlefield: Bad Company 2 had "Sold 5 Million Units to Date": http://files.shareho...s_-_REVISED.pdf

Then in the Q&A with analysts, the CEO clarified what this meant: "Yes, the 5 million units, which we noted on the press release, was as of yesterday or so. The total units sold into the channel." (http://seekingalpha....ript?part=qanda)

Based on the VERY similar language in yesterday's claims for both DA2 and Crysis 2, it is very clear that 2 million is SHIPPED UP TO YESTERDAY. It is NOT sold to consumers (aka 'sell-through') or only up to the 31th of March. Based on my experience with financial reports, this is not at all illegal and financial analysts are fairly used to reading between the lines on that kind of thing.

And I think everyone here should really try to cool down a bit. Not just now, in general.

Modifié par Utoryo, 05 mai 2011 - 07:11 .

[neppakyo]

Utoryo wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
*sigh* People still having problems with reading? Like Sab said. MARCH 31st Go and click that link. Please.

I did read it and I've got a fair bit of experience reading investor reports (especially in the semiconductor arena though), so if I'm wrong (which is definitely possible) it has nothing to do with that.

In fact, I found a perfect proof with a quick Google: One year ago, EA announced Battlefield: Bad Company 2 had "Sold 5 Million Units to Date": http://files.shareho...s_-_REVISED.pdf

Then in the Q&A with analysts, the CEO clarified what this meant: "Yes, the 5 million units, which we noted on the press release, was as of yesterday or so. The total units sold into the channel." (http://seekingalpha....ript?part=qanda)

Based on the VERY similar language in yesterday's claims for both DA2 and Crysis 2, it is very clear that 2 million is SHIPPED UP TO YESTERDAY. It is NOT sold to consumers (aka 'sell-through') or only up to the 31th of March. Based on my experience with financial reports, this is not at all illegal and financial analysts are fairly used to reading between the lines on that kind of thing.

Thank you, those links and your explanation are quite informative. 

Now everyone, please read what he posted here. Learning is fun!

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

Utoryo wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
*sigh* People still having problems with reading? Like Sab said. MARCH 31st Go and click that link. Please.

I did read it and I've got a fair bit of experience reading investor reports (especially in the semiconductor arena though), so if I'm wrong (which is definitely possible) it has nothing to do with that.

In fact, I found a perfect proof with a quick Google: One year ago, EA announced Battlefield: Bad Company 2 had "Sold 5 Million Units to Date": http://files.shareho...s_-_REVISED.pdf

Then in the Q&A with analysts, the CEO clarified what this meant: "Yes, the 5 million units, which we noted on the press release, was as of yesterday or so. The total units sold into the channel." (http://seekingalpha....ript?part=qanda)

Based on the VERY similar language in yesterday's claims for both DA2 and Crysis 2, it is very clear that 2 million is SHIPPED UP TO YESTERDAY. It is NOT sold to consumers (aka 'sell-through') or only up to the 31th of March. Based on my experience with financial reports, this is not at all illegal and financial analysts are fairly used to reading between the lines on that kind of thing.

Thank you, those links and your explanation are quite informative. 

Now everyone, please read what he posted here. Learning is fun!

Learning is fun? I have dimissed those claims. Okay I kid. It is fun. 

@Utoryo Thanks for the links they are informative. I was confused whether they meant sold 2 mil to customers or shipped to retailers.

And no, I don't want BioWare to fail, nor the  DA franchise. I am just a curious person who likes to...gasp, learn.

[devSin]

Every thread has pointed out that they're talking about unit shipments (which isn't supremely important since they may eventually have to take that stock back or offset it in other ways if it doesn't sell).

But this is the first time, I believe, that it's been pointed out that it also includes all of April (I bet most people, like me, didn't even read the actual statement and had no context for the parts quoted here--and what do you know, it says "life-to-date" right in it).

Modifié par devSin, 05 mai 2011 - 07:21 .

[Utoryo]

No problem BTW... DA:O was 2.7M from November 3rd to December 31st and 3.2M from November 3rd to February 8th. The latter number is definitely sell-in (shipped to stores rather than bought by consumers, see this PR) so the former was nearly certainly also sell-in (source: this transcript).

Therefore it's really 2M+ vs 2.7M and the latter was helped by holiday sales (3.2M is on a much longer period). That's an even more solid number than I thought. Of course, it doesn't tell us about sell-through, so it's hard to conclude much.

Modifié par Utoryo, 05 mai 2011 - 07:36 .

[astrallite]

DAO is well over 4M by now I assume; look at how many sales there are for the ultimate edition lately, for $19.99.

vgchartz has DAO at 3.8 million for estimated life-time sales which hasn't been updated for a while.

Modifié par astrallite, 05 mai 2011 - 07:45 .

[Jademoon121]

I though it be 1.5 million....

[AlanC9]

devSin wrote...

Every thread has pointed out that they're talking about unit shipments (which isn't supremely important since they may eventually have to take that stock back or offset it in other ways if it doesn't sell).

Anyone know how this actually works in the VG industry? Is it anything like remainders in print publishing?

[jack_f]

I have no doubt it sold 2 mil. So what?
Two Worlds 2 - an eastern European game with not even 1/10th of the marketing budget of DA2 - sold 3mil. The question is, does 2 mil units sold satisfy EA's expectations, and does it warrant churning out sequels of similar quality every 18 months?

[Sabriana]

neppakyo wrote...

Utoryo wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
*sigh* People still having problems with reading? Like Sab said. MARCH 31st Go and click that link. Please.

I did read it and I've got a fair bit of experience reading investor reports (especially in the semiconductor arena though), so if I'm wrong (which is definitely possible) it has nothing to do with that.

In fact, I found a perfect proof with a quick Google: One year ago, EA announced Battlefield: Bad Company 2 had "Sold 5 Million Units to Date": http://files.shareho...s_-_REVISED.pdf

Then in the Q&A with analysts, the CEO clarified what this meant: "Yes, the 5 million units, which we noted on the press release, was as of yesterday or so. The total units sold into the channel." (http://seekingalpha....ript?part=qanda)

Based on the VERY similar language in yesterday's claims for both DA2 and Crysis 2, it is very clear that 2 million is SHIPPED UP TO YESTERDAY. It is NOT sold to consumers (aka 'sell-through') or only up to the 31th of March. Based on my experience with financial reports, this is not at all illegal and financial analysts are fairly used to reading between the lines on that kind of thing.

Thank you, those links and your explanation are quite informative. 

Now everyone, please read what he posted here. Learning is fun!

Yes, thank you. That was interesting reading. Those finance/business things are tricky indeed. Nepp is right, it's a very informative read.

[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 mai 2011 - 11:51 .

[bti79]

How many copies did DA2 sell because of DA:O?

And how many DA3 copies will be sold because of DA2?

Something to ponder over. Maybe they can pull another Flemeth - put Morrigan on the DA3 box and then let her play a minor cameo for 5 minutes.

Fool me once...

[Volourn]

And, how many DA2 sales did DA2 lose to people who played DA1 and loathed? Quite a few. Quite a few.

[Wye]

neppakyo wrote...

Wye wrote...

Hopefully it will sell 4 million by the end of the year.

Highly doubtfull. The trend in sales says otherwise. Sales may pick up once DA2 hits the $9.99 bargin bin, but dude, don't count your horses on that 4 million number.

I realize this. But it's still possible.

[neppakyo]

Wye wrote...

I realize this. But it's still possible.

If the trend continues (which it seems it will) DA2 will be very lucky to hit 3 million.

Well, if they did an Enhanced Edition fixing the major problems and complaints about it, like CD Projekt, free for people who already own DA2, and sell the new one, then I would predict a good uprising in sales.

This is EA, so it is very highly doubtful they'd pull a move like that.

[Eterna]

Hehe, look at all the haters trying to dismiss this.

[neppakyo]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hehe, look at all the haters trying to dismiss this.

Have you actually read the information provided by EA(finacial report) and other information people have provided? Or are you just going to ignore any construction conversations and just blankly say idiotic things like what I quoted?

If yes to the latter, then please, gtfo. Provide facts and usefull arguments please.

End of line.

[daemon1129]

Whatever the case, DA2 did not meet expectations in the critic department, but I think it sold enough for EA to justify DA2 as an success. Which is bad news for us, good news for EA. Now EA and just make another crap DA and ignore our complains.

[The Metalion]

daemon1129 wrote...

Whatever the case, DA2 did not meet MY expectations, but I think it sold enough for EA to justify DA2 as an success. Which is bad news for me, good news for EA. Now EA and just make another crap DA and ignore my complains.

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