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[Made Nightwing]

Seboist wrote...

Things are going to get ugly between Kaidan and Kelly in my femshep's world. She's going to use the "I was just trying to get her to feed my fish!" defence.

Kaidan: You cheated on me? With a ginger?!

Shepard: It's not my fault. I couldn't loose Mr. Bluey. He was so young, so innocent, and I had so many missions to go on.

[man giraffedog000]

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 05 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[Made Nightwing]

You again? ****** off mother****er

[man giraffedog000]

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 05 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[V-rex]

^
Maybe one day he'll get bored and f*ck off.

Anyway:

I only ever play Male Shepard and to date I don't have any worry for any kind of future conflicts because I stayed loyal to Ashley in all my main saves. Because when Commander James Shepard falls in love, it's for life.
So she got emotional on Horizon, she had every justification to and frankly Shepard's dialogue on Horizon just made me want to slap him. Sure an email isn't much but hey she still said one magic word that ensured that she still loves him and ensured Shepard to stay hopeful.
That word?
'Skipper'.
That's still Ash, he loved her once. Isn't going to up and forget about her.

That said there was ONE play through where I moved on with Jack. A minor largely unimportant playthrough mind you, because I just couldn't resist Jack's charms, didn't want to do a new playthrough and live in a galaxy where Wrex is dead and didn't want to start a new campaign on Mass Effect 1 for the sake of a new game import.

So there may be conflict with that one, in which case, I'd have to choose Jack. As much as it would hurt to let Ashley go, Commander Joshua Shepard can't be the sort to break Jack's heart.

[Labrev]

One of the reasons I went back and avoided romance altogether in ME1 was because of how dumb it played out in ME2. I come back to life after two years and don't even try to find the girl that I loved? I don't care that she's on a classified mission, I can still at least try to contact her. Instead, I'm more worried about a mission I'm handling with people I don't trust. Liara's was pretty bad too. "omg you're alive! um, yeah, so, need any info? kthanksbye."

I mean, I guess you can't expect the dudes who write video games to have a worldly understanding of having a significant other >=D . But in all seriousness, that was just pathetic and I couldn't stand my character being that unthoughtful.

[Puzzlewell]

I'll admit, I'm really hoping for some drama for those of us with love triangles going on. That being said I'm actually really impressed with Kaidan on Horizon if he's romanced. For the most part I'm not incredibly fond of him in ME1 but I couldn't have three FemSheps loyal to Liara or that would be dull. Come ME2 and their reunion on Horizon I was rather impressed with how completely broken up he is on the matter. I had read about the email he later sends way before getting there with the FemShep that romanced him and what I read didn't really do it justice. I'm still going to have this FemShep go with Thane in 2 cause I like him and want to see the repercussions in 3, but I have to say that ME2 and what happens with Kaidan actually made me like him much more than the actual ME1 relationship.

[Chuvvy]

el expl0siv0 wrote...

renegade Fem-Shep

Doin' it wrong.

[el expl0siv0]

jeweledleah wrote...

2. why do people romance characters that they don't like?

When I say that romance made Kaidan (not Kaiden, sorry for the misspell) lame I mean just that. He was cool prior to the romance part, he had a really interesting story to tell and how he was effected by his experience was profound. But seeing as my femshep (not Fem-Shep as I said before, but does it really matter?) was a renegade she just didn't go for what seemed like clingy behavior from Kaidan. If she were a paragon playthrough sure, I would probably be more for Kaidan than Garrus, seeing as how he is a lil bloodthirsty but as my femshep is, she's all for lizard-face.
Its like in real life: someone seems awesome, you get into a more meaningful relationship, then you realize that you don't function well as a couple, then you part ways knowing you should have just stayed friends.

Brodyaha wrote...

el expl0siv0 wrote...
Plus remember the little email saying sorry or whatever after horizon?! What a pansy!

Because men who write emails explaining their feelings and apologizing for when they get mad to women clandestinely working half-way across the galaxy are clearly wimps who deserve to be dumped.

*exasperated sigh*

I'm not trying to sound misogynistic despite the fact that you're pegging me that way. Again, if my femshep were a paragon it would probably melt her heart and she would put her intergalactic love life on hold for him. But that's not how my bad ass femshep rolls.

Modifié par el expl0siv0, 05 mai 2011 - 05:33 .

[Raiil]

jeweledleah wrote...

2. why do people romance characters that they don't like?

Don't know about other people, but I romanced Kaidan (who I find massively annoying) in ME1 because I knew I was moving on to Thane in ME2, and I'm praying/hoping/sacrificing small woodland mammals in hopes of a U MAD BRO option when Kaidan decides to get his 'but what about me?!' on in ME3.


Essentially, troll Shepard is troll and I'm looking forward to being a jerk. I usually paragon my way through stuff but sometimes you just want to rub someone's face in the dirt.

[ExtremeOne]

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

[ADLegend21]

Brodyaha wrote...

To be fair, Garrus has been a squaddie in two games. But he didn't have much dialogue with Shep in ME1, and in ME2, there's his loyalty mission, him asking for Shepard's help in his loyalty mission, and talking about Sidonis. The rest is CALIBRATIONS.

I don't hate Garrus. He's a cool dude. But in terms of being "better written," and, "more interesting," I definitely disagree. If only Kaidan had some development in ME2....

Of course, I'm bias. Don't mind me.

You aren't the only one. It's "whine whine rules whine whine red tape whine whine saleon" "Alright I'll go back to C-sec" 2 years later "I hated it so I went to lawless Omega and made my own rules, cuz Imma badass, but then I got betrayed so I'll whine about that, evne before we're about to engange in interspecies sexual relations *soft headbutt*" Kaidan was written much better, but you're still my right hand man in a firefight Vakarian.

[Seboist]

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Mine romanced him in ME1 for lack of a better option.

I wish they'd let my femshep romance Zaeed. He's the guy who best suits her personality but she can't make moves on him.

[ADLegend21]

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Sucks for her then, she's missing out.

[Seboist]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Sucks for her then, she's missing out.

He's sadly the only good romance for femshep.

[ExtremeOne]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Sucks for her then, she's missing out.

   


what has he done that will impress her oh thats right he acted like a punk on horizon . My Female Shepard has no intest in punks like him .  

[el expl0siv0]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I totally have love triangles. I'm famous for them. And, due to that link and many many posts on this forum, I probably don't need to go into mine in any more great detail. It sounds like Kaidan/Shep/Garrus is the most common love triangle, when it comes to love triangles that people are actually conflicted over. I still don't know what hte heck I'm going to do.

I find these two threads offer me a combination of solace and heartbreak when contemplating this momentous decision. Collectively, those bastards have made this decision much, much harder.

Awesome. I just got around to reading this. It's like a space soap opera up in here! If you write anything for ME3 concerning this love triangle which will probably turn out to be a major existential crisis like this I need to read it. Now I want to play through as a paragon femshep and experience this... I would probably go for Kaidan. Its not at all the same for my man-shep unfortunately because it is in this playthrough where I act based on my actual morals and personality and end up a paragon leaning reflection of myself and Ashley is far from the kind of girl that I'm looking for. Whereas my femshep is plainly renegade in all endeavors, thus incompatible for Kaidan. I should probably just go back and not get get with him in ME1, huh?

[ExtremeOne]

Seboist wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Mine romanced him in ME1 for lack of a better option.

I wish they'd let my femshep romance Zaeed. He's the guy who best suits her personality but she can't make moves on him.

  


yeah Fem shepard had few options in 2 

[Milana_Saros]

el expl0siv0 wrote...

clingy behavior from Kaidan.

What?

[Bolboreta]

I romanced Kaidan in ME1 as a mistake. When I found out that I could romance Garrus, I didn't repeat the mistake and I virmired him with my other fSheps.

I understand why people like Kaidan, but I have no doubts. No drama for me; if BW makes me choose, I'm absolutely sure about who's going to stay with me. I don't think I would yell at Kaidan for being cold and distrustful and I'm sure he's going to understand that Shepard has moved on

[el expl0siv0]

Milana_Saros wrote...

el expl0siv0 wrote...

clingy behavior from Kaidan.

What?

Yeah, okay clingy was the wrong word.  Just too relationshippy and cutesy for a renegade femshep.  I mean sending essentially a text message to say: "sry, but bai!"  Femshep has moved on.

[ADLegend21]

ExtremeOne wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

My Fem Shepard has no need for Kaiden

Sucks for her then, she's missing out.

   


what has he done that will impress her oh thats right he acted like a punk on horizon . My Female Shepard has no intest in punks like him .  

oh yeah he's such a punk, that's why he kicked a turian in the Teeth when he was a teen and killed him, he also saw throgh teh council BS and became a spectre. Oh and how DARE he goa gainst the protagonist, how Dare Staff Commander (outranks you) Alenko have a mind of his own. Curse his independance and whoever wrote him like that. If you want someone do bow down to you go talk to Tali don't be mad that Alenko and Williams grew some of their respective sex organs and told you to ****** off because they wouldn't compromise their morals.

[Selenora]

V-rex wrote...

I only ever play Male Shepard and to date I don't have any worry for any kind of future conflicts because I stayed loyal to Ashley in all my main saves. Because when Commander James Shepard falls in love, it's for life.

My Shep is in love with your Commander James Shepard (or she would be if there was no Kaidan )

Love triangle: I can imagine they will treat it like this:

Heart icon-flirt option (in case you missed it):
I understand. I always understood (which actually will suit better in this situation than having said the same line to a guy that ditched you and remembered to make a comment about that after 3 years)

Sarcastic Hawke....errrr....i mean Shep:
Ahhhhh.....collectors and reapers...we have dismissed these claims

Agressive:
Im a goddamn badass and you're an ash******

So you can pick up your line and have the reaction you like. But i dont picture any of the LIs, from both games acting like teenagers, fighting over a person ..and the best wins

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Brodyaha wrote...

To be fair, Garrus has been a squaddie in two games. But he didn't have much dialogue with Shep in ME1, and in ME2, there's his loyalty mission, him asking for Shepard's help in his loyalty mission, and talking about Sidonis. The rest is CALIBRATIONS.

I don't hate Garrus. He's a cool dude. But in terms of being "better written," and, "more interesting," I definitely disagree. If only Kaidan had some development in ME2....

Of course, I'm bias. Don't mind me.

Garrus and Kaidan are both well written, in my mind. They're pretty much the best written video game romances I've ever encountered, even including cannon romances in all the JRPGs I've played.

Kaidan is the kind of guy who has a messed up past, but is almost entirely over it (but not completely... his little "you make me feel human" line during your romance shows that his history has left its indelible mark). This is something I love, the guy who has some shadows cast over his heart, but doesn't obsess about them, isn't hindered by them at all, beyond some minor emotional walls. He has put his failures behind him, and only wants to move forward and do the best possible job, make the best choices for humanity and the galaxy as a whole.

Garrus is a great guy who has had a string of failures in his life shape his outlook. Basically any time it seemed like he was getting somewhere, he got slapped back down: his father making him give up on being a Spectre, his powerlessness against Saren as a C-Sec agent, having the Citadel completely deny the existence of the Reapers, losing his team on Omega. Unlike Kaidan, who had a bad thing happen and decided to play it a little safe for a while, Garrus has been slowly worn down by great ambition, and greater failure, his entire life.

Kaidan is the guy who tells you how he feels. He wears his heart on his sleeve, gets emotional, and puts it all out there. While he tries to leave a way out, tries to hide, I'm pretty sure all the women he's ever cared about have been able to read him like a book, and that is adorable. It's also why he has had to try to play it safe. In ME1 he gave Shepard everything, trusted her implicitly, and lost her. After years of healing and avoicing risk, quietly dealing well with his past problems, he takes a full-on crit to the heart and has to go through the coping process again. But this time he can't afford to go off the grid for a few years and be paralyzed, like after Jump Zero. After years of being careful, he opened himself up, and it backfires horribly. Now he has to push past the pain and do the job in front of him.

Garrus isn't careful with his life, and because of that, unlike Kaidan, failure and hurt have been his constant companion. But he's even better at hiding it behind sarcasm and wit, and he almost never talks about it. I think it's partially because, if he dwells on it too much, he might be able to talk himself out of taking all these risks and doing all these dumb things, and then he wouldn't be Garrus. He'd just be some C-Sec cop, doing his paperwork and helping some people, but never making any real impact on the galaxy. If he were careful and measured, It would save him a lot of pain, but screw that - pain heals, chicks dig scars, and glory lasts forever.

When he says "I'm not a very good Turian," it's a joke, but it's not just a joke. There are layers of pride and self doubt in that statement, and you have to decide whether to peel them away or not. He wants to be proud of his independence, of his desire to accomplish something outside the system, but he suspects that doing so may be a personal failing, that his independence is responsible for all his lifelong failures. A lot of his dialogue has layers like this, culminating in the final "I just want something to go right, just once." Garrus has spent his whole life not putting up walls, not being careful, not leaving any way out, and it always ends horribly. The fact that he keeps going on in the face of this... I don't have the words to describe it right. It makes him a badass and also makes him completely and totally nuts.

To Kaidan, believing that Shepard is alive again, and opening up to her instantly... that would just be dumb. The last time he did this, it nearly destroyed him, and so he's back to his escape routes, to putting logic and rationality and the mission ahead of his personal desires. This has served him well before, has allowed him to be successful in the face of his past failures. A little caution is smart here. Caution has served him well. Playing by the rules has gotten him close to being a Spectre, close to accomplishing his goals of getting to a position where he can make the Council accept that the Reapers are real.

Garrus never intentionally leaves a way out. When he wants to do a thing, he doesn't care if he burns his bridges behind him, or if he dies, or if his life is destroyed. He doesn't think like that. So when Shepard comes back from the grave to save him from his custom-built sniper coffin, he's back with her 100%, because that's the only way he ever does anything. Because no matter how badly everything in the past has gone, maybe this one will go ok. He has no reason to believe this, but he keeps believing it. It's stupid, but it's a kind of stupid I can respect.

The choice is between a smart, reasonable, sensitive guy who has closed himself off from love and emotion and risk, whose heart you have to unlock, and a crazy guy who will take a risk on your relationship even if he has no rational reason to believe it will work, because he's decided to trust and respect you and that's how he operates.

This choice is hard.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 05 mai 2011 - 11:09 .

[RestARose13]

I love the way you put that CGG.  It shows a depth of the characters that I had never really considered before.

But, my thoughts on the love trianle matter.  Personally,  I hate love triangles.  Seriously, completely and utterly hate them.  I will stop reading something, no matter how well written or intriguing it is, once a love triangle emerges.  That's why with all my Sheps, they have been loyal to their chosen love interests.  I am curious as to how it will play out in ME3, but that's what YouTube is for.  I've had Sheps that have romanced Kaidan, Garrus and Thane though, turhtfully, my Kaidan romance has yet to make it to ME2.  That's mainly because she's full renegade and I have problems playing full renegades.