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[Warheadz]

I don't know if this has been posted but here's an article on how "ME3 will be realigned for mass audiences" by EA. And I am quite sure that Dragon Age will go down the same path.

And I think that at least Dragon Age will fail miserably.

Modifié par Warheadz, 05 mai 2011 - 07:57 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Warheadz wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted but here's an article on how "ME3 will be realigned for mass audiences" by EA. And I am quite sure that Dragon Age will go down the same path.

And I think that at least Dragon Age will fail miserably.

Thanks, EA.

This is why we can't have awesome RPGs.

[AngryFrozenWater]

In the Riccitiello's EA Shifts From 'Defense' To 'Offense' article...

Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello said...

"While we will continue to be a great partner to our best retail customers and first party partners, you will see the beginnings of a consumer game platform emerge at EA that complements and extends the console ecosystem and addresses the wider opportunity on other devices," he said.

The third part of Riccitiello and EA's "offensive" stance is a focus on talent acquisition. He said the publisher is integrating its development teams with marketing and monetization.

That's "a big change," he said. "As an investor, you can see this as a way to better manage our IP, and drive up the ARPU for our core properties. As a developer, you can see this as the reason EA will be the most interesting and satisfying place to work in the game industry."

I am sure that's good news for the stockholders and BioWare, but I am not sure that "integrating its development teams with marketing and monetization" benefits the gamers. More fast to produce DLCs without story, Flemeth tees, and shallow cameos?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 05 mai 2011 - 08:28 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Then why flush the IP down the toilet now?

Dammit, I'd be annoyed if my financial life/future involved investment in DA:O.

Volourn wrote...

DA2 is just as awesome as DA1. Anyone who thinks DA1 is any better are folling themselves. It's not. DA1 = DA2.

DA2 is winning!!!

[Perles75]

Before jumping to the conclusions and declaring Dragon Age dead and buried, shouldn't we wait to see how this grand speech will be put into practice?

[Gleym]

Perles75 wrote...

Before jumping to the conclusions and declaring Dragon Age dead and buried, shouldn't we wait to see how this grand speech will be put into practice?

So.. people make a prediction, you guys tell them to 'wait and see'. EA effectively reiterates this prediction in a manner that confirms it, you tell them to continue to 'wait and see'. So when this prediction is finally proven to be true, you're gonna be standing over the rotting corpse insisting, "Just give it a while! It's only resting, see? It'll get up in no time!"

[scylis]

Sweet Jolee Bindo, kill it with fire, already, please.

[TheTranzor]

[Esbatty]

MOAR DRAGON AGE!

[Torhagen]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

It's a good thing to hear. DA:O was such an awesome game and I still have hope that Bioware remember their roots and make a real RPG again, at the same level as Dragon Age: Origins.

Yes, DA:RtP was a pretty mediocre game and a sheer disappointment and kick in the nuts for cRPG fans, but we all know that Bioware can do better and as much as I hate DA:RtP, I will be among the first to buy DA3 if it becomes as good as it used to be.

Just stop trying to cater to the CoD crowd or basically any crowd besides RPG players. And Mike, stop hating at us, thanks.

I kinda agree with you the real kick in the Nuts as you say is ME2 however

[flexxdk]

Volourn wrote...
They're both RPGs where a high percentage of the gameplay is combat with dialogue, quests, inventory management, and exploration are thrown in.

Yes, you can completely call the exploration in DA2 a "rich feature".

It's filled with recycled dungeons dude! And the "Lost and found" quests are no different than the "Collect 10 of this and 20 of that" quests. And the dialogue could've been better, especially compared with DAO.

That's what BIO makes. That's what the DA series is.

If this is what the DA series is, I'm gone.

DA2 has now sold 2mil+ so no doubt more DA stuff is on the way.

2 million for this piece of garbage and filth, a game that's not even completed yet? Absolutely not worth it.

Still, the amount of sales are decreasing.

DA1 = DA2. 

Question:
Have you ever played DAO?

I guess not.

I suggest playing it first before making such foul notions.

DA2 is winning!!!

It is not. It's losing, very slowly.
It's being bashed more than it's being praised.
Sales are decreasing with each passing week.

Perles75 wrote...

Before jumping to the conclusions and declaring Dragon Age dead and buried, shouldn't we wait to see how this grand speech will be put into practice?

The DA series is dead, dead, dead. Even an undead compared to this is nothing. Why, you ask?
Well, if this is the direction EA's going to take, there isn't much more to say.

Unless someone can prove me otherwise, show me that I'm horribly wrong and stupid, I suggest we get used to more disappointments in the future.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The sad thing is, I'm going to have to imagine so many things just to make stories feel more complete. I had to do that with DA2. I do not want to have to keep doing that.

Bioware is the company developing the game, NOT EA. EA is just the company with the money behind it, but without Bioware they've got nothing. Bioware just needs to put their foot down and tell EA to go **** themselves with all their precious money until it comes out of their mouth.

If I have to wait 5 years for a great game, then so be it. I would rather wait 5 years for something that is definitely epic than play a game every year of mediocre quality. At best.

BioWare can tell EA indeed to go **** themselves. But keep in mind that EA is one big heck of a company. They surely can do without BioWare, they make enough money. So if BioWare said that, EA can simply stop funding BW, even removing them entirely from the company. That would leave them at the mercy of others or the vultures.

And then EA will tell the rest what BW did. And when that news gets spread, who wants to deal with BioWare then? They turned on their own publishers after all. So BioWare ain't trusted anymore, their games no longer released.

Simply put:
Unless BioWare leaves peacefully and it actually works out, nothing's gonna happen. And I don't think EA let's go of BW. Not in the slighest.

Just get used to it. Mike Laidlaw is now the person in charge.

Modifié par Whacka, 05 mai 2011 - 11:08 .

[AkiKishi]

Anual RPGS ? Not likely unless they are streamlined to almost nothing. This is likely to be C&C history repeating. RPGs take time because you are in effect writing multiple games in one.

[Perles75]

Gleym wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

Before jumping to the conclusions and declaring Dragon Age dead and buried, shouldn't we wait to see how this grand speech will be put into practice?

So.. people make a prediction, you guys tell them to 'wait and see'. EA effectively reiterates this prediction in a manner that confirms it, you tell them to continue to 'wait and see'. So when this prediction is finally proven to be true, you're gonna be standing over the rotting corpse insisting, "Just give it a while! It's only resting, see? It'll get up in no time!"

I always pass judgement on finished products, not on press declarations that can mean everything and nothing. When something related to Dragon Age will appear, I will see if I will like it or not. The rest is not of my concern.

[Seblin]

Dragon Age: Wardrobe Adventures.

Now with even more new outfits, every month!

Super.

[flexxdk]

Seblin wrote...

Dragon Age: Wardrobe Adventures.

Now with even more new outfits, every month!

Super.

Don't forget My Little Griffon.

[flexxdk]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

Seblin wrote...

Dragon Age: Wardrobe Adventures.

Now with even more new outfits, every month!

Super.

Don't forget My Little Griffon.

*snip*

Just replace Chocobo with Griffon

*snip*

That works too.

My Little Dragon it is, then. And Catching Butterflies with Qunari's, of course.

[LeBurns]

Volourn wrote...

DA2 is just as awesome as DA1. Anyone who thinks DA1 is any better are folling themselves. It's not. DA1 = DA2. They're both RPGs where a high percentage of the gameplay is combat with dialogue, quests, inventory management, and exploration are thrown in. That's what BIO makes. That's what the DA series is.

DA2 has now sold 2mil+ so no doubt more DA stuff is on the way.

DA2 is winning!!!

Wow, I just couldn't disagree more.  Having played both if someone had told me (without me already knowing) that both games were made by the same company and where the same type of game I would have called them a full blown liar.  DA2 is like DAO just like BG-Dark Alliance is like BG2.  Words in the title are the same.  Same basic game world.  But that's about it.

I have also just written anything from EA off my list.  It's obvious that EA is going after the ever growing number of players that do not want to have to think for themselves to be entertained by a game.

[element eater]

cant really make a judgement until you see the next DA game that said it isn't a very good omen. Oh well at least if DA stays on course its just one less thing I need to buy.

[TEWR]

Whacka wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The sad thing is, I'm going to have to imagine so many things just to make stories feel more complete. I had to do that with DA2. I do not want to have to keep doing that.

Bioware is the company developing the game, NOT EA. EA is just the company with the money behind it, but without Bioware they've got nothing. Bioware just needs to put their foot down and tell EA to go **** themselves with all their precious money until it comes out of their mouth.

If I have to wait 5 years for a great game, then so be it. I would rather wait 5 years for something that is definitely epic than play a game every year of mediocre quality. At best.

BioWare can tell EA indeed to go **** themselves. But keep in mind that EA is one big heck of a company. They surely can do without BioWare, they make enough money. So if BioWare said that, EA can simply stop funding BW, even removing them entirely from the company. That would leave them at the mercy of others or the vultures.

And then EA will tell the rest what BW did. And when that news gets spread, who wants to deal with BioWare then? They turned on their own publishers after all. So BioWare ain't trusted anymore, their games no longer released.

Simply put:
Unless BioWare leaves peacefully and it actually works out, nothing's gonna happen. And I don't think EA let's go of BW. Not in the slighest.

Just get used to it. Mike Laidlaw is now the person in charge.

I don't know, if you coordinated it really well it might work. You get one of your lead representatives to talk with the EA reps, but you have other people ready to call the other big name publishers. Then when they say they have the publishers on the other end, you tell EA off and give them the middle finger. Meanwhile, your co-workers are explaining the whole entire scenario.

Of course, leaving peacefully might work. I don't think Bioware is under any obligation to stay with EA if they don't want to.

[Khayness]

^

Wow, I have low standards aswell! I'm glad the fanbots pointed that out for me, I would have never guessed.

[88mphSlayer]

good that they're keeping the IP alive, regardless of how you feel about the latest game in a series - keeping an IP with potential alive is more important

there's a lot of IP's out there with unpopular sequels, namely Mario and Zelda being the most famous

[abaris]

Warheadz wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted but here's an article on how "ME3 will be realigned for mass audiences" by EA. And I am quite sure that Dragon Age will go down the same path.

And I think that at least Dragon Age will fail miserably.

I consider that a dangerous threat.

If that's the reason for postponing, its the opposite of quality insurance.

[Jerrybnsn]

Merced652 wrote...

Even if this were true, and it may be, you have to consider how valueable "IP's" are in the industry atm. It costs a lot in terms of time, money, and effort to make a IP that can be successful. ......The article i referenced earlier actually said that EA should be developing its own IPs instead of buying them and running them in to the ground because it drives away the talent they need to make good games and obviously does them no favors with public perception.

Mainly i think it has more to do with big publishers like EA killing creativity more than anything. EA has only been a force of destruction over the last two decades. How bout they try their hand at creating something, and maybe their view of games, their directions, and games as art will change for the better. 

I had to check the full meaning of "IP" and as it is "Intellectual Property" is in reference to series like Dragon Age that was bought as property by another company...hence the EA being aggressive.

So the concept of the article is that EA is being agressive by buying up these IPs and turning them into annual releases to max out profits.

[TEWR]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Of course, leaving peacefully might work. I don't think Bioware is under any obligation to stay with EA if they don't want to.

Ummm, they are owned by EA and EA is their major shareholder. It doesn't work like that and even if it did, it would be like giving the finger to the mafia. Not something you would want to do.

oh. well I don't know too much about the Bioware-EA symbiotic parasitic relationship.


Is there any way at all Bioware could be free from EA's boot?