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[Sabriana]

neppakyo wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Or is that attempt to undermine the used game sales market as doomed to fail as the lame attempts to stop the "Jack Sparrow" kind of people?

*harumph* As the person Jack Sparrow was based off of I take great offense at this statement. Because games are something I'd never pirate, nor ever buy used for that matter. I frown on both practices.

Now excuse me while I go try to figure out where the rum wandered off to....

You mean you're an effeminate keith richards with dreadlocks? 

Oops. Sorry Jack. I couldn't think of another of your ilk. I'm at work,
and that prevents thinking.... Wait. That didn't come out right. I mean
it prevents thinking of fun stuff. I mean "other" fun stuff. Good luck with the rum *hides bottle*

Hey! I *like* Jack Sparrow. What did he ever do to you to draw the "Keith Rihards" comparison, hmm? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
Lordy, I actually flinched last time I saw a picture of him. How come he's still alive, is what I wonder.

I agree though. I don't pirate anything either, nor do I steal. Well, fine. I swiped an apple from my neigbor's tree. Twice. But other than that, I'm quite honest, because I want others to be honest in return. So I really take offense in being treated as the potential criminal just waiting to happen.

[neppakyo]

We really should stay on topic here. lol.

And to catch up to people who havent read most of this thread. Its not sales. They "sold in" 2 million units to retailers, aka shipped/sold to. Not to consumers.

The vgchartz trend on sales seems to be a good indicator, and someone posted that roughly 1.3 million units have been actually sold. I'd give it a generous margin of error of +/- 15%.

And the trend shows DA2 is selling less and less everyweek. Last reported for week 7, was roughly 12,000 copies. Week 8 may be higher due to the ME2 giveaway. I'll wait till someone makes a graph again

EDIT: @Sab

Keith Richards was Jonny Dep's insperation on how to do jack sparrow.

Modifié par neppakyo, 06 mai 2011 - 07:32 .

[Cancermeat]

neppakyo wrote...

We really should stay on topic here. lol.

And to catch up to people who havent read most of this thread. Its not sales. They "sold in" 2 million units to retailers, aka shipped/sold to. Not to consumers.

The vgchartz trend on sales seems to be a good indicator, and someone posted that roughly 1.3 million units have been actually sold. I'd give it a generous margin of error of +/- 15%.

And the trend shows DA2 is selling less and less everyweek. Last reported for week 7, was roughly 12,000 copies. Week 8 may be higher due to the ME2 giveaway. I'll wait till someone makes a graph again

EDIT: @Sab

Keith Richards was Jonny Dep's insperation on how to do jack sparrow.

Its kinda boring just talking about sales. And by the way just because a game sold a lot doesnt mean its any good. A lot of people bought the game and a lot of people can just mean a lot of people are upset.

[Persephone]

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream of. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

Modifié par Persephone, 06 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[neppakyo]

Persephone wrote...

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream off. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

I dont really disagree with ya pepsi. DA2 did decently, but imho, its reached its peak and will barely make 3 million sales in its life

I wasnt saying the websites numbers were super accurate, but they do show a trend in sales, on how well a product is selling. And so far DA2 sales are plummeting after a strong 2 week start. Falling faster than Origins did.

The earning reports show nothing about sales. Just how many units were shipped/sold to retailers. Remember, theres a crap load of retailers across the globe, not just N America.

Modifié par neppakyo, 06 mai 2011 - 07:56 .

[Everwarden]

Persephone wrote...
 No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would.

Eh, well I don't know who 'most' are, but I don't think that's true. I hated the game after finishing it, but I still thought the momentum of DAO would give it great sales, crappy game or not. It isn't selling well, and at the point where prices are cut in half and they are packaging games with it, raw sales numbers are no longer relevant.

Hell, they could break fifty million copies sold if they got together with Burger King and gave them away with every meal purchase. That'll show the haters! 

And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure.

No. There is a -very- clear difference between "sold in" and "sold". Downplay it all you want, it won't stop being true. 

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

Well, you're wrong. I don't think you're in shreds. *patpat*

[Persephone]

neppakyo wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream off. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

I dont really disagree with ya pepsi. DA2 did decently, but imho, its reached its peak and will barely make 3 million sales in its life

I wasnt saying the websites numbers were super accurate, but they do show a trend in sales, on how well a product is selling. And so far DA2 sales are plummeting after a strong 2 week start. Falling faster than Origins did.

The earning reports show nothing about sales. Just how many units were shipped/sold to retailers. Remember, theres a crap load of retailers across the globe, not just N America.

Well, sales usually fall after a head start, esp. with a sequel. They are picking up again as far as I can tell and that Businessweek article really set things straight re: actual sales. (Even though it did not publish numbers) As for that website, it bungled up DAO's sales and it doesn't take digital sales (Which have become very popular over the last two years) into account. And again, given the current financial situation (Disastrous), retailers don't buy stock unless there's a steady demand (After release day).

[fightright2]

Persephone wrote...

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream of. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

I think nep already stated he read there would be no expansion for DA2.
http://social.biowar...013/10#7311998 

[Persephone]

Everwarden wrote...

Persephone wrote...
 No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would.

Eh, well I don't know who 'most' are, but I don't think that's true. I hated the game after finishing it, but I still thought the momentum of DAO would give it great sales, crappy game or not. It isn't selling well, and at the point where prices are cut in half and they are packaging games with it, raw sales numbers are no longer relevant.

These numbers are about the first quarter of the year, ending in March, BEFORE the sequel celebration (Which was done to boost ME awareness to gain momentum for the ME3 release. Brilliant marketing, that!) Time limited sales happen to every game, esp. to EA games which go on sale rather quickly anyway. (I bought my first copy of DAO 3 weeks after its release, for 19.99 Euros!!! And it wasn't used either, it was a Holiday Sale)

[Persephone]

fightright2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream of. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

I think nep already stated he read there would be no expansion for DA2.
http://social.biowar...013/10#7311998 

Nooooooooooooooo! Link to Dev confirmation or it didn't happen!:(

[fightright2]

He went to bed.

We'll squeeze it out of him tomorrow.

Til' then, I remain hopeful for it.

[Elhanan]

I cannot locate any confirmation on expansion info. Anyone else?

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

fightright2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Given how retailers work, they don't buy stock if there is no demand.

As for a certain website's estimates, that site is known to be unreliable and it doesn't list its sources. So it means everything and nothing.

Businessweek.com (They listed Crysis II and DAII as having excellent sales, I linked to the article a while back) and an EA earning report are the closest we'll get to actual numbers. Both state good numbers that most developers can only dream of. So unless I see actual footage of hundreds of thousands DAII units collecting dust in a warehouse and retailers rioting (And no, posts saying "I went to a store and saw 25 copies of DAII collecting dust in a corner" will not convince me at all), I prefer to believe earning reports and a fairly unbiased publication that has nothing to gain by stating how high or low a game's sales are.

DAII is doing fairly well. Will it sell those 10 million copies? No. But it's already doing better than most thought it ever would. And again, there would be none of those "Sold in" vs. "Sold" discussion if some people weren't determined to brush it off as an utter failure. I wouldn't be surprised if, helped along by DLC, Mods and an expansion or two, it sold 4-4.5 million in the next two years.

Go ahead, tear me to shreds, I dare ya!

I think nep already stated he read there would be no expansion for DA2.
http://social.biowar...013/10#7311998 

Nooooooooooooooo! Link to Dev confirmation or it didn't happen!:(

But isn't nepp a more reliable source than any dev? He certainly hasn't lied as much as the advertising for DA2 did.

Looking at the "Urn of Sacred Ashes" trailer, DAO's advertising lied even more. (Graphics, voiced protagonist, people actually emoting during cutscenes etc.) And don't get me started on the "This is the new sh*t" fiasco.

[Esbatty]

the New Sh*t trailer did excite me greatly when I saw it... although I did buy the game specifically to sexx0rs the Morrigan. So I wasn't lied to at all.

[Melca36]

Weren't there several developer posts and and streaming chats that stated there would be no expansions? Just DLC.

[Persephone]

Melca36 wrote...

Weren't there several developer posts and and streaming chats that stated there would be no expansions? Just DLC.

Now I'm gonna go cry in a corner. Story DLC or not, DAII NEEDS an expansion. Pretty please!

[fightright2]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

fightright2 wrote...

He went to bed.

We'll squeeze it out of him tomorrow.

Til' then, I remain hopeful for it.

I bet he's tired from doing the Till-hammer all day. Poor nepp...

After that much violation, you know he's sleeping well tonight. Then again...maybe not.

[Elhanan]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@Perse I can't say I disagree, lol. But in all of the interviews Mr. Laidlaw had given pre-DA2's release, did he not promise that WE would shape the story over a decade, and not being rail-roaded in there with the occasional choice?

I would say we did shape the story; just did not choose the overall design, like filling in a paint-by-number canvas.

[fightright2]

Persephone wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Weren't there several developer posts and and streaming chats that stated there would be no expansions? Just DLC.

Now I'm gonna go cry in a corner. Story DLC or not, DAII NEEDS an expansion. Pretty please!

THIS!!! I agree wholeheartedly with you Persephone.
That makes two pretty pleases.