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[FedericoV]

@nopho: I do not see trolling, lack of civility or insults in my posts. Please, quote the points where I've been acting like that and in case I'll apologize. I was not leaving the post, I was just stopping to put up theories about arguments like the price drops since I think that we do not have enough evidences and knowledge to support them and that every point is in the air... and frankly the discussion about that topic sounded silly and irrelevant to me at the end (even on my part). I'm sorry if I made a very bad impression to you. Are you sure that the problem is my attitude and not my opinions?

[AkiKishi]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

This thread is falsley labeled, is should say "sold in", not just sold, its misleading.

It is, but it's not the fault of the thread creator , rather the article in the link.

[Night Prowler76]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

This thread is falsley labeled, is should say "sold in", not just sold, its misleading.

It is, but it's not the fault of the thread creator , rather the article in the link.

  Indeed sir. the re-labeled it in the other forum, should be done to this one as well.

[neppakyo]

The latest Portal2 user metacritic score is 8.3 PC, 7.7 PS3, and 7.7 xbox360.

DA2 hasn't changed a bit.

4.3 for PC, 3.9 for PS3, and 4.4 for xbox 360

and Portal 2 got a 95 critic score across all 3, while DA2 is still at 84 PC, 82 PS3, 79 xbox 360. Not that it matters about the critic scores, but the user scores are useful once you pass a month and everything has settled down.

[nopho]

FedericoV wrote...

@nopho: I do not see trolling, lack of civility or insults in my posts. Please, quote the points where I've been acting like that and in case I'll apologize. I was not leaving the post, I was just stopping to put up theories about arguments like the price drops since I think that we do not have enough evidences and knowledge to support them and that every point is in the air... and frankly the discussion about that topic sounded silly and irrelevant to me at the end (even on my part). I'm sorry if I made a very bad impression to you. Are you sure that the problem is my attitude and not my opinions?

- do you really want me to quote that? i can if you want but right now sounds like a big waste of my time.
- naturally the state of dragon age is something that is not real. it has a number of sold units and shipped units but how you see that is up to everyone. 2million send out copies might be a big success for EA or (according to vagchartz) selling 1/10th of origins in week 8 might be a big failure. as i said, i am open for any point of view on that, i have developed an unusual interest in DA2 sales for many reasons, but it is always the question of how you state your opinion. (but there are, in my eyes, theories wich are more and some wich are less likely)
i personally like this discussions, i opened a thread in the other forum, just to LEARN the difference between sold and sold in, valuable knowledge to someone who is not native with the english language.

- i try to respect most of the opinions (speak all except the loony ones like racism or so) naturally i am a human being and thus even without willingly doing it more open to arguments which support my point of view, i give my best to stay open though so this is a question i can not answer you with being sure 100%.

[AkiKishi]

FedericoV wrote...

That's your biased conlusion. Have you got any proof of it? You simply don't know. Only thing we know for sure is that DA2 has shipped 2 milion copies to retailers and that while the critical reception has not being great, EA and Bioware seems satisfied with the result.

Are you serious ? A retailer will charge the maximum price they can per unit..There are two things that change this.

1. Overstock - it's costing more to keep it stored in place of something more profitiable
2. Competition - Someone else lowered the price so no one is buying it from you anymore.

Other than that they have no reason whatsoever to lower the price.

[Cutlass Jack]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

 Indeed sir. the re-labeled it in the other forum, should be done to this one as well.

And every other thread on the forum with a misleading, erroneous or exaggarated title!

Which would be most of them.

[neppakyo]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

 Indeed sir. the re-labeled it in the other forum, should be done to this one as well.

And every other thread on the forum with a misleading, erroneous or exaggarated title!

Which would be most of them.

Why is the rum gone?!

[AkiKishi]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

 Indeed sir. the re-labeled it in the other forum, should be done to this one as well.

And every other thread on the forum with a misleading, erroneous or exaggarated title!

Which would be most of them.

Actually the link to the EA quarterly was changed from sold to sold in. But here the "magazine" is at fault ,that's not really a moderators job.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 06 mai 2011 - 05:03 .

[Cutlass Jack]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Actually the link to the EA quarterly was changed from sold to sold in. But here the "magazine" is at fault ,that's not really a moderators job.

Yeah that's my thinking. Now if it were a stickied Dev created announcement, then the title should be more accurate.

[neppakyo]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Why is the rum gone?!

Because it was consumed by a big. Stupid. Jellyfish!

Volourn drank it?

[Yrkoon]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Why is the rum gone?!

Because it was consumed by a big. Stupid. Jellyfish!

Volourn drank it?

Arishok: Yes.

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

[Sabriana]

Yrkoon wrote...

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

[fightright2]

Sabriana wrote...


I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

Well said.

[Firstrun]

DA2 was the first game I ever pre-ordered. I was so sure that Bioware was up there with Blizzard and Valve when it comes to releasing quality. Boy was I wrong. I loved DAO and I couldn't even finish DA2 because of the lack of interest. Sure I also bought it because it had gay romance options, but boy I feel stupid now. I'm never pre-ordering again. I hope Bioware can save their name after this thing. Good thing Portal 2 was an awesome game and made me forget this thing.

Modifié par Firstrun, 06 mai 2011 - 07:41 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

Sabriana wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

Oh Sabriana old friend, what a wonderfully eloquent post.  I agree whole heartedly.  Except, I sort of do hate on Mike Laidlaw  a little bit for not staying away from DA when he clearly has his heart set on an action RPG like Demon's Souls.

[nopho]

Sabriana wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

i at least try to keep civilized here but i cannot fully agree to it. my problem is, that (in my opinion) i got sold a half as a whole. it is not just that the game had an approach which i didn't enjoy, it was that the game clearly lacked development time but still asked for the whole price.
one of the basic rules in behaviorism/marketing is, that people will try to "punish" behavior they experience as wrong even if it costs them. so as much as i try to just see how things go, yes i would like B-EA to feel that what they did was wrong.

[craigdolphin]

@Sabriana

<snip excellent post>...imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc

Thee and me too Well said.

[erynnar]

Sabriana wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

This^ As usual, Sabi pretty much reads my mind. You wicked she-devil in purple hair! You minx! You cheeky monkey you!

But I do want them to learn from this.

Modifié par erynnar, 06 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[v_ware]

SOLD IN = SHIPPED.

[MingWolf]

erynnar wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Arishok:  Drinking the Rum is not the demand of the Qun.   AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL..

I did like act II. Most of it (sans *that* cave/warehouse/home/sewers, the ninjas, the ESP quests, etc).

That line really made me draw back. Dude! The Arishok loosing his cool? Uh, oh.

I don't want bioware to fail. I simply don't want them to succeed with DA 2, for utterly selfish reasons. I hope that makes sense. I want them to fail at reaching their sales-goal, but I also don't want them to fail utterly. Whatever one thinks of DA 2, a lot of people I like put a lot of work into it.

Granted, the work didn't pan out the way I thought it would, but still, it wasn't as if they sat on their hands for 18 month. The old bioware brilliance shined through now and then. It was unmistakable, and for me, personally, that made me, personally, not "hate" the game. They did work their magic - somehow. Even in this sub-par (imo) game, they managed to shine through now and then. To me, that says something about their talent and their tenacity (sp?).

I don't wish them ill. Not ever. But I want them to turn back. I (personally) want EA to see that a good RPG is worth something. It does have its utterly devoted fans. It will sell well, and the niche is definitely not as small as they make it out to be. I want them to go after new customers, but I want them to hook people into RPGs, as only bioware knows how to make them. /end lament. A good RPG has staying power. It will keep on selling. It's revenue that can be counted on. Oh, I so wish they would see that.

I'm not hating on Mike Laidlaw. I do think he genuinely believes in his "vision". But he failed to understand the niche. He would be superb for an action RPG. He has the right idea for that genre. His vision is not so much at fault, but it was utterly misplaced on a RPG, and on DA. It was (to me) simply a case of a vision not fitting a genre. He is enthusiastic. He believes in himself. Unfortunately, he was not a good fit for the DA franchise, imo, personally, me, I, no one else, etc.

This^ As usual, Sabi pretty much reads my mind. You wicked she-devil in purple hair! You minx! You cheeky monkey you!

But I do want them to learn from this.

Nicely put. 

[Lumikki]

Ahh, back to how do we define RPG as who's vision is the right one.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 mai 2011 - 08:28 .