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[Boiny Bunny]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Certainly.  The exact text which was displayed on the ME2 offer page was identical to the exact text Chris Priestly posted in the forums.  Link:

http://social.biowar...5/index/6945066

Quote:

"Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support. As a special thank you for helping with the game’s early success, BioWare would like to present you with a download code for 2010’s Game of the Year, Mass Effect 2 on PC."

(Turns out I had the word wrong - I had thought it was 'hit' the 1 million mark.  At any rate, my point still stands)

Your point doesn't stand, actually, because we have an article that clearly states that the number is sold, not shipped, and nothing contradicts that.

Actually it does, as the IGN article is clearly based on the exact text I posted there.  It's quite common for gaming websites to read official statements such as that made by EA and mis-interpret it.

We have no idea what it is based on, only that they linked the developers site for the product. We have no idea if they rang and verified the details prior to creating the article but given the fact the specifically highlight the not shipped phrase I would be inclined to say they verified it prior to writing the article. Your source on the other hand does no longer exist to check.

It's right above you.  You can read the quote, see the text.  That is the exact text that appeared on the ME2 offer site.  Do I really need to dig up the cached page to prove this to you?

Let me make this as clear as I can.  When it comes to sales statements, the ONLY source that can be relied upon is the company itself (EA/Bioware).  ANY statements made by others (e.g. gaming websites such as IGN) must either list their source (a statement made by the company) or be regarded as false.

IGN list a source in their article, which is a statement from the company (EA), stating that DA2 has 'broken' the 1 million mark, and nothing more.  Beyond the link that IGN have provided, they have provided no evidence of another source.

[RaenImrahl]

Rockpopple wrote...

To answer a question posed to me earlier:

I'm just here for the cheese. Nobody told me the cheese here was this good. I'm kinda pissed, actually.

Some damn fine cheese.

... and here....

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The IGN article is based on (and provides a link to) the ME2 offer page (now taken down as the offer has ended), which stated clearly 'hit the 1 million mark'.  NOT SOLD.

Hitting the 1 million mark usually means sold. And as I recall, it was confirmed that these 1 million copies were indeed SOLD, not SHIPPED.

You're trying too hard to portray a game you hate as a failure.

I wouldn't take the highground just yet regardless of the argument between me and Boiny about the 1 million mark the simple fact is EA have merely by looks of it dropped a massive amount of stock on retailers probably at a vastly reduced rate which in the end EA will have to more than likley cough up a huge amount in credit notes to retailers for unsold stock at a later date. Becuase there is no way that took them 2 weeks to sell 1 million copies which included preorders then in just over 1 week sell another million without benefit of preorders.

Oh, I am aware of that being possible. And the moment there's proof, I'll believe it. And until then, benefit of the doubt applies. In my case, anyway.

The problem with this I don't think you get is that credit notes get taken off future orders, which means past/present or future EA titles will be affected of which the credit is taken against. This means that the ditching/dropping and shifting of large quanitities of stock onto the retailers (which if doesn't sell) means DA2 is having a negative affect on the sales of other EA games. To me thats a bad thing but thats just me...

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 mai 2011 - 01:40 .

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The IGN article is based on (and provides a link to) the ME2 offer page (now taken down as the offer has ended), which stated clearly 'hit the 1 million mark'.  NOT SOLD.

Hitting the 1 million mark usually means sold. And as I recall, it was confirmed that these 1 million copies were indeed SOLD, not SHIPPED.

You're trying too hard to portray a game you hate as a failure.

I wouldn't take the highground just yet regardless of the argument between me and Boiny about the 1 million mark the simple fact is EA have merely by looks of it dropped a massive amount of stock on retailers probably at a vastly reduced rate which in the end EA will have to more than likley cough up a huge amount in credit notes to retailers for unsold stock at a later date. Becuase there is no way that took them 2 weeks to sell 1 million copies which included preorders then in just over 1 week sell another million without benefit of preorders.

Oh, I am aware of that being possible. And the moment there's proof, I'll believe it. And until then, benefit of the doubt applies. In my case, anyway.

The problem with this I don't think you get is that credit notes get taken off future orders, which means past/present or future EA titles will be affected of which the credit is taken against. This means that the ditching/dropping and shifting of large quanitities of stock onto the retailers (which if doesn't sell) means SA2 is having a negative affect on the sales of other EA games. To me thats a bad thing but thats just me...

DA3 will tell the tale once and for all. I for one am VERY curious.

[Dragoonlordz]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's right above you.  You can read the quote, see the text.  That is the exact text that appeared on the ME2 offer site.  Do I really need to dig up the cached page to prove this to you?

Well.. Yes. lol

A source I can read not assume based on what something might have said that no longer exists or a series of words that are different but relate to the same product.

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...
DA3 will tell the tale once and for all. I for one am VERY curious.

Lets just hope those credit notes arent taken from future copies of DA3 then I guess (not likley though, more likley is taken off the sales of other current titles).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 mai 2011 - 01:41 .

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...
DA3 will tell the tale once and for all. I for one am VERY curious.

Lets just hope those credit notes arent taken from future copies of DA3 then I guess (not likley more likley is taken off the sales of other current titles).

Well, for now I'm happy to see these good numbers. And still waiting for the 1.03 patch.

[marshalleck]

Persephone wrote...

DA3 will tell the tale once and for all. I for one am VERY curious.

DA3 will be an epic fight to the death between EA's marketing department ("hit the button and something awesome happens. button, awesome! button, awesome!") and gamers' post-traumatic stress disorder. I'd expect to see lower pre-orders on DA3 as a reaction to DA2, as high pre-orders of DA2 was a reaction to DAO. That said, with enough time and distance--and careful manipulation of perceptions by a marketing director who knows what they are doing (not the awesome button guy)--that hesitance could be overcome to turn out at least a reasonable response. I won't be pre-ordering. I may not even be paying attention to Bioware after ME3. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 05 mai 2011 - 01:44 .

[erynnar]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

To answer a question posed to me earlier:

I'm just here for the cheese. Nobody told me the cheese here was this good. I'm kinda pissed, actually.

Some damn fine cheese.

... and here....

I'm with them...cheese..yum.

Okay so I don't have a dog in this race. Math was not my strong suit, and marketing and economics even more so. It is fascinating reading about it from those that do.  

[_Aine_]

erynnar wrote...

Okay so I don't have a dog in this race. Math was not my strong suit, and marketing and economics even more so. It is fascinating reading about it from those that do.  

It's even more fascinating reading from the ones who think they do.   

[Lord_Valandil]

Persephone wrote...
And still waiting for the 1.03 patch.

I'm not in a hurry. And those who are waiting should probably sit down, or else they'll get tired.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 05 mai 2011 - 01:47 .

[Dragoonlordz]

I'll put it this way, if I was EA (or any company) and had to drop (upto) a million copies of a product on retailers with the (possiblity) that it would come back and bite me on the arse with retailers asking for credit due to stock unsold or returning the excess units after (x) amount of time in large quantity. It would certainly taint my view of the company that developed or made that product. Hopefully retailers will be able to sell most of the copies but if not this isn't good news. Not for DA2 or for Bioware. However on the plus side now that Ray has become a General Manager and Vice President at EA he might be able to soften the blow of such a taint towards such a thing being in that position.

[Boiny Bunny]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It's right above you.  You can read the quote, see the text.  That is the exact text that appeared on the ME2 offer site.  Do I really need to dig up the cached page to prove this to you?

Well.. Yes. lol

A source I can read not assume based on what something might have said that no longer exists or a series of words that are different but relate to the same product.

Well I've looked to not much avail.  Somebody who knows how to find cached pages of more or less any website might have better luck than me!  What I can give you is:

http://www.joystiq.c...ct-2-to-dragon/
http://n4g.com/news/...uel-celebration

Both directly link to the site (which has now been removed), and both quote it, matching exactly the words used by Chris Priestly here on the forums.

EDIT: Actually, here is one that literally quotes it word for word (and even has the image etc.)

http://vividgamer.co...-daii-purchase/

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 05 mai 2011 - 01:55 .

[neppakyo]

(didn't read every page, this might of been posted in previous pages)

I'm pretty sure its sell-in not sold. Meaning, shipped to retailers, etc. Not actual sold to consumer sales.

Its a buncha corp talk from EA, if any of you read this...
http://files.shareho...ress Tables.pdf

EA financial Results wrote....

EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis® 2, Dragon Age™ 2, and Dead Space™ 2 each sold in more than two million units

So everything is not as crystal clear as its made out to be.

just sayin'

[marshalleck]

It has been mentioned, and the fanboys have been in denial as is to be expected. But the link is I think new. Thanks.

[Boiny Bunny]

Evidence is the same no matter where you look. There is not a single statement made by EA or Bioware themselves, stating that they have SOLD 1 million or 2 million copies of DA2.

From the statements they have made we know that they have:

1) 'broken' the 1 million 'mark' in 2 weeks
2) 'Sold in' 2 million copies to date

That is all.

[Persephone]

marshalleck wrote...

It has been mentioned, and the fanboys have been in denial as is to be expected. But the link is I think new. Thanks.

And the haters are in rage mode, as is to be expected, given that the numbers are pretty darn good.

See what I did there?

But honestly, are we back to calling everyone who disagrees Troll, Biodrone, Fanboy, Sheep and whatever other cute nicknames people can come up with?

And here is an article from BusinessWeek:

www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9MVI7H81.htm

Electronic Arts Inc. reports its fiscal fourth-quarter results on
Wednesday, and analysts expect the video game publisher's results to be
at the high end of its guidance thanks to strong sales of games such as
"Crysis 2" and "Dragon Age 2."

Modifié par Persephone, 05 mai 2011 - 02:02 .

[Merced652]

What other game did they release in the same quarter? Cyrsis' first two weeks likely out sold all of DA2. Just sayin'. Oh wait i forgot who i was addressing.

[Persephone]

Merced652 wrote...

What other game did they release in the same quarter? Cyrsis' first two weeks likely out sold all of DA2. Just sayin'. Oh wait i forgot who i was addressing.

First one that comes to my mind ins Sims Medieval, which was also released in March. (But a tad later, I think)

[Merced652]

like i said.

[Dragoonlordz]

neppakyo wrote...

So everything is not as crystal clear as its made out to be.

just sayin'

Yeh thats the link I read, the report or more accuratly statement. Then I went and did some simple maths and came to the realisation they could not have sold an extra 1 million within the time frame between the first million and fiscal year end of 31st March in that statement.

Hence why I mentioned why I believe it's a case of dropping stock on retailers probably with pressure given EA is not a small fish and has a vast product library of which stores wish to sell and probably high price reductions for bulk stock orders to retailers as incentive.

Followed by why this to me is bad news for Bioware and DA2, not positive news. Because if like my business where we deal in hundreds of thousends of stock orders sometimes, when we push stock to tie in with the financial year in large quantities there is always a comeback with regard to credit notes taking value off other products. This taints/gives us a bad feeling towards if in this case (a product and/or developer) because the need to shift so much that wasn't selling adequately and the credit has to be taken off something. 

Maybe the retailers will be able to shift all that excess stock but I don't know going by the reviews and my own personal view of the game and VGC (yes I know isn't 100% accurate but it's never a million miles off either).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 mai 2011 - 02:07 .

[devSin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll put it this way, if I was EA (or any company) and had to drop (upto) a million copies of a product on retailers with the (possiblity) that it would come back and bite me on the arse with retailers asking for credit due to stock unsold or returning the excess units after (x) amount of time in large quantity. It would certainly taint my view of the company that developed or made that product. Hopefully retailers will be able to sell most of the copies but if not this isn't good news. Not for DA2 or for Bioware.

We know for fact (or can more or less assume) that they've actually sold over a million to customers, so I don't think there's so much stock that they'll be shifting or reacquiring much--unless that "over 2 million" ends up being like 3 or 4.

My bigger fear is that this two million may be the lifetime limit, which doesn't seem so hot (there's no indication that sales have done anything but plummet). Does that lead to even more drastic changes, or to some soul-searching and a return to best quality? (I don't think it will get us an expansion or expansion-sized DLC, which is what I really want.)

Dragoonlordz wrote...

However on the plus side now that Ray has become a General Manager and Vice President at EA he might be able to soften the blow of such a taint towards such a thing being in that position.

Hasn't one or the other always held that position? I remember one got to be VP and the other didn't, which was weird.

In any case, they held a high-up position in EA proper and apparently haven't been able to do anything so far, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Boiny Bunny]

Persephone wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The IGN article is based on (and provides a link to) the ME2 offer page (now taken down as the offer has ended), which stated clearly 'hit the 1 million mark'.  NOT SOLD.

Hitting the 1 million mark usually means sold. And as I recall, it was confirmed that these 1 million copies were indeed SOLD, not SHIPPED.

You're trying too hard to portray a game you hate as a failure.

Hey, c'mon - I'm happy to admit that I'm disappointed in many aspects of DA2 - but I certainly don't hate it or 'wish' that it was a failure.  I still think it's an OK game - above average for sure.  Just, nowhere near Bioware's usual standards.  Over time the disappointment has settled in and I've become a little more detached about the whole thing.  Everything negative that could be said (and a good deal more) has been said about this game.  Bioware will take from that whatever they will.  I'm happy enough to move forward and talk about other aspects of the game than what I thought it did wrong.

But I've always been this way about facts and figures being quoted by companies and people interpreting them incorrectly, or mis-quoting.  I would be equally disagreeing if somebody here was trying to claim that DA:O (a game that I love) had sold 7.2 million copies!

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 05 mai 2011 - 02:10 .

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

(didn't read every page, this might of been posted in previous pages)

I'm pretty sure its sell-in not sold. Meaning, shipped to retailers, etc. Not actual sold to consumer sales.

Its a buncha corp talk from EA, if any of you read this...
http://files.shareho...ress Tables.pdf

EA financial Results wrote....

EA shipped seven titles in the fourth quarter that have already sold in over 1 million units each, life to date. Crysis® 2, Dragon Age™ 2, and Dead Space™ 2 each sold in more than two million units

So everything is not as crystal clear as its made out to be.

just sayin'

Like I said, I have no dog in this race. But I take this sentence, Crysis® 2, Dragon Age™ 2, and Dead Space™ 2 each sold in more than two million units, to mean they are lumping all the sales from DA2, Cysis2 and Dead Space together to get over two million units sold?

edited to say, Oh oops, no it says each.  See, I told you not my strong suit.

Modifié par erynnar, 05 mai 2011 - 02:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I would be equally disagreeing if somebody here was trying to claim that DA:O (a game that I love) had sold 7.2 million copies.

7,200,001

Just kidding. lol