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[Ixalmaris]

didymos1120 wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

But thats what Bioware/EA apparently heard when you consider the changes between ME1 and 2 and what they now seem to do with 3.

Well, then that wouldn't make the "Konsole Kiddies" at fault then, would it?  Not that I agree with your take on ME2. As for ME3...no data available.  Or not much anyway. 

Lets see. Less "complicated" customization (armour, weapons, mods), a ammunition system, heavy weapons, less skills.

No, absolutely no evidence that they tried to make this game more shooter like...

Not what I said.  I said I disagreed with your take on ME2. I.e., your very evident low opinion of it. 

Actually I have a rather good opinion of it, just not as RPG and not as good as ME1. But any more "streamlining" and it will become a generic shooter.
The more RPG elements they take away, the worse the games become.

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 05 mai 2011 - 06:39 .

[ExtremeOne]

Bostur wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I wish some on here took a few business classes and learned what being a company is all about. EA is in the business of making games that can make them money period . If that means changing ME 3 to appeal to a wider audience and by doing so will make them more money . Then they will do that . Investors and Share holders do not care about the gaming community or franchise fans . they see Call of Duty sales figures and say why can't EA get those types of numbers . EA has bosses and its the EA share holders and investors and if they want something they will get it .

And game communities don't care about helping investors to more expensive cars. Gamers want good games and value for money, since these two objectives sometimes are at odds do you really find it strange why people are worried here?

   





well game communites need to start understanding that this is a business and in business . A company does what it takes to make the most money possible .  Of course the 2 clash but at the end of the day EA's share holders and investors have power .   I was not arguing over people being worried on here . I was simply brining a business point of view to this discussion .  

[JoeClose]

hero3440 wrote...

You know that EA also said that most or of it games now were gonna have multiplayer in it, but as game informer confirmed there is no multiplayer in mass effect 3. Also stop using DA2 an excuse as why mass effect 3 is gonna be suck because the dragon age are an entire different team from mass effect.

You can say this until you're blue in the face but unfortunately the lot of idiots on this forum will simply continue to lump the two together, it is a fruitless argument. Everyone is just gonna continue to cry about how they feel entitled to have their RPG game brought back.

An RPG isn't about stats and all that, those are just elements commonly associated with the genre. An RPG is about playing a role, like one of Commander Shepard, or Hawke. So many idiots on this forum.

Ixalmaris wrote...
The more RPG elements they take away, the worse the games become.

Opinion.

didymos1120 wrote...
So, you think that, as they've stated numerous times, the devs have been adding more depth in the form of weapon mods, new weapons, larger gameplay spaces with multiple floors, multiple evolutions to powers, class-specific melee, etc.  and now EA has extended the deadline just for the purpose of removing content?  

Genius.

Modifié par JoeClose, 05 mai 2011 - 06:44 .

[Phaedon]

 

the features that you'll see at E3 to put this in a genre equivalent to shooter-meets-RPG,"

Er, this is good news.

[ShadyKat]

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

[CroGamer002]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Lets see. Less "complicated" customization (armour, weapons, mods)

How was ME1 system complicated at all?
Only thing that is complicated is broken management system.

, a ammunition system,

Well they needed quick solution for previous broken and tedious system.
They tried hybrid and it sucked.

heavy weapons,

And?

less skills.

There's lot more skills in ME2 then in ME1( Tech Armor, Biotic Charge, Combat Drone, Cloak, etc.).
Only skill points are shorter but then again it's not really a big loss.

[Phaedon]

Ixalmaris wrote...
The more RPG elements they take away, the worse the games become.

No. The correct balance has to be achieved.

If you have your skill (that can be determined by the shooter elements) modified by RPG elements, then the game becomes dumbed down as well.

It would require less shooter skill for RPG players. It's exactly the same thing.

[Galad22]

ExtremeOne wrote...

well game communites need to start understanding that this is a business and in business . A company does what it takes to make the most money possible .  Of course the 2 clash but at the end of the day EA's share holders and investors have power .   I was not arguing over people being worried on here . I was simply brining a business point of view to this discussion .  

They have much less power than they think. If games are not good they very simply do not sell well.

Look at DA2, it was clearly rushed because of money and customers can tell. Half of the internet hates it and it is reflected in sales.

[JoeClose]

ShadyKat wrote...

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

Goodbye, see ya! You will not be missed. Accept the game for what it is, or fight a useless battle and end up buying a used copy anyways then playing a game you supposedly hate so much.

[Bostur]

ExtremeOne wrote...

well game communites need to start understanding that this is a business and in business . A company does what it takes to make the most money possible .  Of course the 2 clash but at the end of the day EA's share holders and investors have power .   I was not arguing over people being worried on here . I was simply brining a business point of view to this discussion .  

I understand that. I was just trying to explain that the business point of view is irrelevant for the customers. _If_ ME3 turns out a polished turd - and I know thats a big if - then the business point of view really does nothing for us.

Of course in the long term the business side and the consumers have similar interests, but it's so long term that individual titles can still suffer from the different point of view from the two sides.

[Phaedon]

Phaedon wrote...

 

the features that you'll see at E3 to put this in a genre equivalent to shooter-meets-RPG,"

Er, this is good news.

I am wondering if this is being ignored on purpose.


They want to balance the RPG and the shooter elements and that's a good thing for a hybrid.

[CroGamer002]

ShadyKat wrote...

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

Renegade interrupt and Biotic Charge.

[Phaedon]

Mesina2 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

Renegade interrupt and Biotic Charge.

So, basically
"We don't want to have awesome things happenning when pushing a button"

Okay.

[didymos1120]

ShadyKat wrote...

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

Silverman isn't part of the ME team.

[spychi]

They said that they want to improve the shooter factor and THE RPG FACTOR... wtf you guys are complaining about?!

[ianmcdonald]

Phaedon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

 

the features that you'll see at E3 to put this in a genre equivalent to shooter-meets-RPG,"

Er, this is good news.

I am wondering if this is being ignored on purpose.


They want to balance the RPG and the shooter elements and that's a good thing for a hybrid.

Everyone is focused on assuming the worst. I think you hit the nail on the head.

[Saphara]

Phaedon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

If I here even once "Push a button, and something awesome happens", i'm leaving here for good. You would have thought that Bioware learned from DA, but I guess not.

Renegade interrupt and Biotic Charge.

So, basically
"We don't want to have awesome things happenning when pushing a button"

Okay.

Except the phrase is associated with mediocrity now, and is frankly juvenile. Do you really want the marketing team to use a phrase thats associated with something not so great?

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

All this hysteria over some corporate hot air. Since when is anything that John Riccitiello has to say taken as gospel? He's a money man and therfore a master in the art of b******t. This 'tweaking' to appeal to a wider audience could mean anything - It could mean extra platforms in the shape of the mobile versions of ME3 that have been mentioned, it could be some daft Facebook or Twitter marketing campaign. Who knows with EA. Lets just wait until we have some gameplay footage at least before deciding that ME3 is going to be the new Call of Duty in space.

Modifié par GHOST OF FRUITY, 05 mai 2011 - 06:54 .

[Skyweir]

Darth Death wrote...

hero3440 wrote...

You know that EA also said that most or of it games now were gonna have multiplayer in it, but as game informer confirmed there is no multiplayer in mass effect 3. Also stop using DA2 an excuse as why mass effect 3 is gonna be suck because the dragon age are an entire different team from mass effect.

That's exactly what I said a few mins ago. Worry is getting us nowhere.

There is two ways to predict how Mass Effect 3 will come out:

One is based on information obtained from recent publications of Bioware, drawing a line from ME1, to ME2 and DA2, then extrapolating based on known facts and making an estimate of how the game will play based on these trends.

The other is based on asbolute faith in people that we have never met, speaking mostly in smilies , contradictions and vauge sounding promises. People that are known to have been painting an inacurate picture of products at earlier times.
....
One of these approaches is rational, the other is not.

Worry will get you lots of places, it makes you prepared and allows you to avoid further problems by anticipating them in advance. Especially if voiced early enough in the process to perhaps have an effect.

Blind faith, on the other hand....

Modifié par Skyweir, 05 mai 2011 - 06:56 .

[didymos1120]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Actually I have a rather good opinion of it, just not as RPG and not as good as ME1.

Well, my mistake.  You certainly didn't come off as having a good opinion of it.

[Phaedon]

Saphara wrote...
Except the phrase is associated with mediocrity now, and is frankly juvenile. Do you really want the marketing team to use a phrase thats associated with something not so great?

No. But I am observing the hypocrisy.
As I said, the article has good news. He talks about balancing the shooter and RPG elements, and right after that, about appealing to a greater fan base. Which means, therefore, that they expect both new shooter and RPG fans.

[Galad22]

ianmcdonald wrote...
Everyone is focused on assuming the worst. I think you hit the nail on the head.

Perfectly reasonable opinion after DA2.

[didymos1120]

spychi wrote...

They said that they want to improve the shooter factor and THE RPG FACTOR... wtf you guys are complaining about?!

The fact that Riccitello said "larger market opportunity" while talking to a bunch of investors, apparently.

[Mirandr]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, its gonna be DA2 all over again!!!!

Damn you and your "larger audience" bull****!

:(:(


I still feel like a fool for buying the CE edition of Dragon Age 2... I wont make the same mistake with Mass effect 3!.
Everyone knew it was just a mater of time before EA made Bioware into what it is today. The day EA bought Bioware was a very sad day.

Good thing we still have blizzard, Valve and CD Projekt
"Prays for good Witchers 2 Sale"