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[chunkyman]

Rockworm503 wrote...

You can't go 2 minutes without someone bashing someone else because their a console kiddie. Apparently thats an accepted term. I compare it to racism and I get mocked for it but honestly... whats the difference?

As a racist, I resent being compared to PC Elitists.

Modifié par chunkyman, 06 mai 2011 - 12:47 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

If I can't frown down on people what's the point of living?

Like Mac users. I want to toss rotten cabbage at them.

[naughty99]

Modifié par naughty99, 06 mai 2011 - 01:01 .

[KenKenpachi]

Pft two of the three posters above me are bad people. Hatin on one group. Whats wrong with all of you?

I Hate everyone equally, you all are equally expendable and worthless, and by that I mean valued voters and members of the community vote for me and you will prosper in the glow of the sun....several man made suns should you not. >>

[Fishy]

Anti-Elitism = the same thing.There's nothing wrong with elite people.Just like nothing wrong with idiot.
Life so much easier when you accept other opignons .

Trolling it's different .Immaturity by provocation to get attention .provocation can be used to treat people.But troll aren't treating anyone.

Modifié par Suprez30, 06 mai 2011 - 02:38 .

[Valcutio]

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

[Fishy]

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

Purchase new hardware and store it for 10 years and it's will be old and obsolete.
You're not talking about 'fun' but about technology.Older technology does not mean 'less' fun .


Some gamer aren't materialism .It's definitly hard if you like technology.

[chunkyman]

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

"Superior" and "better" are opinions based on what an individual values. If people have high values for price, reliability, and ease of use, and lower values for things like graphics, then consoles are superior. What you said just simply isn't fact, and claiming such makes your argument invalid.

[Valcutio]

chunkyman wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

"Superior" and "better" are opinions based on what an individual values. If people have high values for price, reliability, and ease of use, and lower values for things like graphics, then consoles are superior. What you said just simply isn't fact, and claiming such makes your argument invalid.

Price - PC games are cheaper than console games on average.
Reliability - Nothing is more reliable than ones own self if you build your own gaming machine. Red ring of death? PS network being hacked?
Ease of Use - I imagine you're using a PC to type that useless post. Easy, right?
Selection - PC has the widest range of games and exclusives by an extreme margin. It's not even close.

Modifié par Valcutio, 06 mai 2011 - 01:10 .

[KenKenpachi]

Valcutio wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

"Superior" and "better" are opinions based on what an individual values. If people have high values for price, reliability, and ease of use, and lower values for things like graphics, then consoles are superior. What you said just simply isn't fact, and claiming such makes your argument invalid.

Price - PC games are cheaper than console games on average.
Reliability - Nothing is more reliable than ones own self if you build your own gaming machine. Red ring of death? PS network being hacked?
Ease of Use - I imagine you're using a PC to type that useless post. Easy, right?
Selection - PC has the widest range of games and exclusives by an extreme margin. It's not even close.

Bull ****, where the hell are you from? Europe? What it sounds like as thats the only place in the WORLD the gaming PC market is strong or "bigger". Here PC games are about the same price, as normal games minus those ****ty arcade style games, and many stores don't carry them but in small amounts, such as a 5'x5' shelf, meanwhile normal console games have a 6'x20' shelf, or even two.  And they don't release more, not in America Anyways, I can line up some release charts if you like.

Easy for doing social crap, for many people I've seen them give up on gaming in frustration, or return a PC game with complaints that it won't run on there system, to the point in My region of the US ALL stores have a strict no-return policy on PC games or products.  Almost fanatically. In fact I had a defective Copy of Empire At War and I had to basically get in contact with lucas Arts myself to get an exchange...actully I DID have to contact lucas arts and get a factory direct exchange.

Price aslo bites you in the ass with the set up its self. Say I buy a PC default around $400 which is rather cheap for a new one stateside, then you figure 100 for more Mem, as most market PC's are ****ty in that reguard by default. Then figure another $100 for even an older GFX Driver. (Even higher for a newer one) Then many people are barely Computer Literate. So thats figure  $75-$100 to get those systems placed on by someone. THEN unless your a ****ing moron $60-$100 for Virus protection. So lets add that rather modest total up.

Your looking at around $800 for state of the art it gets up even hire. Not too mention every couple of years if you want to be current you need to keep up those upgrades which is aother 500 a year at least. And KKers are the idiots? Hell I can buy a great 360 for say $300 bucks. That leaves me in the first year alone at least $500 for games. Which even buying new gets me a few, buying old a **** load. So woooooooo a PC game for 40 bucks man **** YEAH oh lawdy $20!!!!! Oh man, but wait....I need $260 for the new driver to play it. If you think its cheaper, your upper or middle class. Or ****ing stupid.

Reliability, lets see...a power surge has knocked out my ethernet card, I've had my personal data stolen that my oh so recommended AVG didn't pick up, and numerous other repairs, and I'm one of the more "Smarter, Safer, and most rarely seen" customer at the PC repair shop, which is litterally packed full daily, so no your full of ****  there. Hell I had to replace a power unit and coolant fan on a NEW PC before. PLUS The Chinese cutting back on the rare Earths market WILL mean an end to alot of the more cheaper and lighter componets in the long run given the mass produced consoles an advantage. Also Red Ring hardly happens now or has in the last couple of years. And PSN that was done by Computer hackers...which gee points that PC's in the wrong hands are better criminal weapons than a handgun. Can't hack **** with a PS3 now can you?


Top it off with how PC games look better. Thats Bull ****. First off as a PC and console player the vast majorty of games I've seen on PC look like **** and MODS make them look better, which does not count. You can take a Station Wagon and put Rims on it, paint it all up, but that doesn't change the fact if I take that **** off you have an ugly broken down hunk of junk. And Most PC's can BARELY play those games on more than medium settings to start with. So gee oh yeah Witcher 2 looks hot man! Minus the fact well over %50 of your buyers will rage as it looks like crap on the systems they have then it falls on modders to make high res skins which is bull****.

Consoles for the most get good looks, and its not as a customer has to sit on there ass and do it themselves. Mods are nice but a mod is a mod, it isn't a part of the game. In fact the better the mods the worse the game as it shows how obviously ****ty it was and in need of CPR. 

PC's only are "Better" if you are Richer.

And surprise most of us Arn't. Wow I cursed alot didn't I? Sorry I don't like the smell of bull **** in the morning.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 06 mai 2011 - 01:54 .

[The Narrator]

Blze001 wrote...



That is all....

pm, wish it was more stable though.

[Valcutio]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

"Superior" and "better" are opinions based on what an individual values. If people have high values for price, reliability, and ease of use, and lower values for things like graphics, then consoles are superior. What you said just simply isn't fact, and claiming such makes your argument invalid.

Price - PC games are cheaper than console games on average.
Reliability - Nothing is more reliable than ones own self if you build your own gaming machine. Red ring of death? PS network being hacked?
Ease of Use - I imagine you're using a PC to type that useless post. Easy, right?
Selection - PC has the widest range of games and exclusives by an extreme margin. It's not even close.

Bull ****, where the hell are you from? Europe? What it sounds like as thats the only place in the WORLD the gaming PC market is strong or "bigger". Here PC games are about the same price, as normal games minus those ****ty arcade style games, and many stores don't carry them but in small amounts, such as a 5'x5' shelf, meanwhile normal console games have a 6'x20' shelf, or even two.  And they don't release more, not in America Anyways, I can line up some release charts if you like.

Easy for doing social crap, for many people I've seen them give up on gaming in frustration, or return a PC game with complaints that it won't run on there system, to the point in My region of the US ALL stores have a strict no-return policy on PC games or products.  Almost fanatically. In fact I had a defective Copy of Empire At War and I had to basically get in contact with lucas Arts myself to get an exchange...actully I DID have to contact lucas arts and get a factory direct exchange.

Price aslo bites you in the ass with the set up its self. Say I buy a PC default around $400 which is rather cheap for a new one stateside, then you figure 100 for more Mem, as most market PC's are ****ty in that reguard by default. Then figure another $100 for even an older GFX Driver. (Even higher for a newer one) Then many people are barely Computer Literate. So thats figure  $75-$100 to get those systems placed on by someone. THEN unless your a ****ing moron $60-$100 for Virus protection. So lets add that rather modest total up.

Your looking at around $800 for state of the art it gets up even hire. Not too mention every couple of years if you want to be current you need to keep up those upgrades which is aother 500 a year at least. And KKers are the idiots? Hell I can buy a great 360 for say $300 bucks. That leaves me in the first year alone at least $500 for games. Which even buying new gets me a few, buying old a **** load. So woooooooo a PC game for 40 bucks man **** YEAH oh lawdy $20!!!!! Oh man, but wait....I need $260 for the new driver to play it. If you think its cheaper, your upper or middle class. Or ****ing stupid.

Reliability, lets see...a power surge has knocked out my ethernet card, I've had my personal data stolen that my oh so recommended AVG didn't pick up, and numerous other repairs, and I'm one of the more "Smarter, Safer, and most rarely seen" customer at the PC repair shop, which is litterally packed full daily, so no your full of ****  there. Hell I had to replace a power unit and coolant fan on a NEW PC before. PLUS The Chinese cutting back on the rare Earths market WILL mean an end to alot of the more cheaper and lighter componets in the long run given the mass produced consoles an advantage. Also Red Ring hardly happens now or has in the last couple of years. And PSN that was done by Computer hackers...which gee points that PC's in the wrong hands are better criminal weapons than a handgun. Can't hack **** with a PS3 now can you?


Top it off with how PC games look better. Thats Bull ****. First off as a PC and console player the vast majorty of games I've seen on PC look like **** and MODS make them look better, which does not count. You can take a Station Wagon and put Rims on it, paint it all up, but that doesn't change the fact if I take that **** off you have an ugly broken down hunk of junk. And Most PC's can BARELY play those games on more than medium settings to start with. So gee oh yeah Witcher 2 looks hot man! Minus the fact well over %50 of your buyers will rage as it looks like crap on the systems they have then it falls on modders to make high res skins which is bull****.

Consoles for the most get good looks, and its not as a customer has to sit on there ass and do it themselves. Mods are nice but a mod is a mod, it isn't a part of the game. In fact the better the mods the worse the game as it shows how obviously ****ty it was and in need of CPR. 

PC's only are "Better" if you are Richer.

And surprise most of us Arn't. Wow I cursed alot didn't I? Sorry I don't like the smell of bull **** in the morning.

I'm from the states. I figured I'd clear that up. The rest of your post is absolute rubbish and not worth responding to. Gonna go check out the SWTOR forum. I'd invite you but... 

[KenKenpachi]

Valcutio wrote...

I'm from the states. I figured I'd clear that up. The rest of your post is absolute rubbish and not worth responding to. Gonna go check out the SWTOR forum. I'd invite you but... 

No where in my neck of the woods then, and that response I'll take as "I can't come up with anything to prove him wrong". And Don't bother, I tend to not like being down wind of ****, given your obviously full of it.

""

[naughty99]

Just when I thought it was not possible for this thread to become more tiresome...

people begin making troll posts proclaiming the superiority of console gamers or PC gamers.

Do you realize how boring it is to read that sort of crap? Or do you honestly believe you can come up with something interesting or new to add to the same old, tired conversation?

Modifié par naughty99, 07 mai 2011 - 04:46 .

[88mphSlayer]

do people really care that much? i always thought it was a joke

[Faust1991]

Hmm to me i think elitism in gaming/online is whatever. At the end of the day we're all human beings, we all log off our computer/xbox etc. and go to bed or go to work or our lives (some people don't good for them?). I've been subject to alot of it in gaming, not so much on forums (though I've seen it happen to others). I don't let it get to me.

Modifié par Faust1991, 07 mai 2011 - 04:52 .

[Chromie]

Faust1991 wrote...

Hmm to me i think elitism in gaming/online is whatever. At the end of the day we're all human beings, we all log off our computer/xbox etc. and go to bed or go to work or our lives (some people don't good for them?). I've been subject to alot of it in gaming, not so much on forums (though I've seen it happen to others). I don't let it get to me.

What are you talking about? I run off batteries.

I don't care about about which console/PC is better. Each have their own merits what does annoy me is when people fight over PS3 vs 360. Because honestly they're fighting for second place. Calm down calm down. Let me explain. The main things I usually see on forums is

PS3 has bluray better graphics which is neccesarrily true.
360 has better online service I admit it's better then PSN but come on I have Steam for free...
360 has better games. That's not even a fact.
Ps3 has more variety.

Well graphically PC is the best come on. Bluray who needs it on PC? We install and forget. Online service? Get on Steam or a dedicated server! More games or variety? Emulate games of old or try an indy game where on PC it has the highest chance of success.

But I really don't participate in stupid console vs. convsole vs. PC. Especially since Wii has outsold both consoles combined and gaming PC sales have risen up. To each his own. I like my games on PC but I do enjoy the exclusives of each console.

Nintendo, will always have Zelda my most favorite series ever and come on Mario.
Xbox has Halo. Didn't like Reach but hell i love to play any Halo with my friends.
Playstation 3. Demon's Soul is brutal and great, Uncharted is great, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet who can resist?

PC well like I said if I can I buy everything on PC. Multiplatform usually PC but the consoles are fun. Fighters though to me feel better with a arcade stick on a huge tv. That's where PC's are beat.

[Faust1991]

Well okay Legion

[Chromie]

Faust1991 wrote...

Well okay Legion

best companion eva

[Milana_Saros]

KenKenpachi wrote...
THEN unless your a ****ing moron $60-$100 for Virus protection. So lets add that rather modest total up.

You need to pay for virus protection?

Edit: Meh, what the Hell, might as well give my view on this.

I have a computer that cost me around 500€ (no, I won't bother translating currency) when it was built 2-3 years ago. I ran DA:O nearly maxed, DA2 on decent graphics. Not because my computer wouldn't be able to handle it but because I prefer smooth as butter FPS and don't care about having shadows under every goddamn object in the game.

The only update I've made on the computer is a new video card that cost me under 150€. My computer's motherboard is rather old so the next time I update, I'll be looking at another 200-500€ update but that's simply because of my own personal mistake in not looking longer into the future when buying my mobo.

Whatever the case, I've spent 650€ on my computer in the last three years.

Buying memory? What, RAM? What do you need that for? I have 2GB still and have had for years. You need to pay for a person in order to actually get your parts together? What, can't you ask from the internet? TechSupport? And as I already asked...you need to pay for virus protection?

My friend wanted a gaming computer 3 years ago. I told her that me and my brother could assemble her one using a 500€ budget. Instead she went to a department store 2 weeks later and bought a "Get your awesum family computah nao! Even has the power to play gamez! Now only 699,99€!" which only ran WoW in a crawl. Now that same computer gets her DC'd whenever she visits a capital city. That pile of crap for 700€?

Oh and she also paid for an F-Secure licence for firewall/anti-virus protection. *facepalm*

So I don't know, maybe it's a local issue for the US or then people whining about PC expenses simply don't have the skills to reduce the costs. Either way, it's rather unfair to talk down "PC elitists" if you don't REALLY recognize the facts. But I guess if you really don't have the knowlegde then stick to consoles. That's why they are there. Just stop hating PC gamers "just because".

Edit 2: Oh and I might as well add: I was not born with this knowledge nor did I automatically suck it as heritance from my older brothers. When my brothers moved out, I was left with this old computer we used together (I'm actually sitting on this exact same computer now, at least 10 years later, updating WoW so I can do Tol Barad dailies). If the computer got a software/hardware error then I had to call one of my brothers, then solve the situation step-by-step according to their advice. Or most of the time: Hit the internet and search for a solution myself.

Getting a console? Sure yeah, if I had asked my parents to buy me a Playstation 2 they would've just grunted at me something on the lines of "You already have a computer, deal with it! They're just humbug anyway."

Modifié par Milana_Saros, 07 mai 2011 - 09:25 .

[Rockworm503]

Valcutio wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

It's not elitism, it's fact. PCs are superior to consoles. It's not a debate. If it hurts your feelings then build a gaming PC. You'll be happy you did. I own a 360 and PS3. There are some situational games that lend themselves well to the platforms but in general any game that is cross-platform will be better on a PC. I don't say this as a mindless fanboy, I say it as a guy that loves to game.

"Superior" and "better" are opinions based on what an individual values. If people have high values for price, reliability, and ease of use, and lower values for things like graphics, then consoles are superior. What you said just simply isn't fact, and claiming such makes your argument invalid.

Price - PC games are cheaper than console games on average.
Reliability - Nothing is more reliable than ones own self if you build your own gaming machine. Red ring of death? PS network being hacked?
Ease of Use - I imagine you're using a PC to type that useless post. Easy, right?
Selection - PC has the widest range of games and exclusives by an extreme margin. It's not even close.

You are exactly what this thread is talking about.  You might not think its elitism but your talking down to anyone who doesn't use a PC or worship it from the sound of things.

[TheMufflon]

KenKenpachi wrote...

then you figure 100 for more Mem, as most market PC's are ****ty in that reguard by default.

$100 for more RAM? Most prebuilts come with 4 gigs, which really is all you're going to need, and even if you wanted to upgrade to 8, there's no way that'd cost you $100. 

Then figure another $100 for even an older GFX Driver.

You don't pay for drivers, they're free. What you mean is a graphics card, you really haven't done any research for this, have you? And if you're buying both RAM and a graphics card, why buy a prebuild in the first place?

 
THEN unless your a ****ing moron $60-$100 for Virus protection.

Hahaha. But seriously: no.

Not too mention every couple of years if you want to be current you need to keep up those upgrades which is aother 500 a year at least.

Are you just pulling these numbers out of your ass?

Hell I can buy a great 360 for say $300 bucks.

You can buy 5 year old hardware for $300? Why is that remarkable?

If you think its cheaper, your upper or middle class. Or ****ing stupid.

Before you start calling other people stupid, you really should learn the difference between "your" and "you're".

Most os these price comparisons between PCs and consoles seem very short-sighted to me. The fact is that even if you're not using it for gaming, you will need a baseline PC just to get by in today's society. Upgrading from baseline to a gaming rig is going to cost as much, or less, than buying a console.

MODS make them look better, which does not count.

Why wouldn't it? Consoles don't have mods, so clearly it's a point in the PC's favour.

And PSN that was done by Computer hackers...

So? It's still a problem for the PS3, but not for the PC.

Reliability, lets see...a power surge has knocked out my ethernet card, I've had my personal data stolen that my oh so recommended AVG didn't pick up, and numerous other repairs, and I'm one of the more "Smarter, Safer, and most rarely seen" customer at the PC repair shop, which is litterally packed full daily, so no your full of **** there. Hell I had to replace a power unit and coolant fan on a NEW PC before.

So you're saying PCs are bad because you are incompetent?

 
Then many people are barely Computer Literate. So thats figure  $75-$100 to get those systems placed on by someone.

So what you're saying is that consoles are better for stupid people?

Modifié par TheMufflon, 07 mai 2011 - 01:01 .

[Jonp382]

You can upgrade a desktop for less than $300 and it'll be at least 2 to 3 times as powerful as an Xbox 360. And you won't even need new cooling or probably not even a new power supply. A Radeon HD 5670 will run on almost anything, as long as the motherboard has a PCI-Express x16 slot.

Hell if you already got a relatively nice CPU(Athlon X2 or Core 2 Duo or later) and 2 to 4 GB of RAM, you can upgrade to gaming capable for $70 or even less, assuming your motherboard has a PCI-Express slot.

Of course if you have a laptop, I guess you're screwed.

[KenKenpachi]

Milana_Saros wrote...
The above

Yes here you need virus protection, it doesn't come installed on a PC period, you have to buy it. Which cheapest I've seen is $60 a year. As to Installing. No problem with it myself, provided the OS isn't crap, like my last PC would not even with the CD install my new GFX Card. So I had no choice but to take it to the PC shop to get it forced to install. My current PC didn't have that trouble. Also I will bother on the Exchange rates just to be a dick.

1000 Euro's at Current Rates is 1433.33 USD. So thanks for proving my point. Also 640 Euro's in three years is, 917.44 USD at current rates, so thanks again.  

And as to the Muffion, here they don't a rebuilt here is lucky to have one ****in Gig. And most of the companies here charge absurd amounts for more, why I buy all the sticks and such I need from Comp USA.  Unless you want to buy new you ain't gettin ****. And I have yet to see one PC for sale that even had a GFX driver around me, and I'm not talking about in the boon docks here. I'm talking of the Cities in the Traid area, or in Wilmington. NC is not a PC friendly location.

As to your stupid remark oh so great one, here.

http://www.cracked.c...telligence.html

Guess the last laugh is on you. Hahaha....aah.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 07 mai 2011 - 03:13 .