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[Chuvvy]

1Minsc1 wrote...

@ lolwut666 what do you mean with "dominant"?

Bigger.

[lolwut666]

1Minsc1 wrote...

@ lolwut666 what do you mean with "dominant"?

Stronger.

Men can lift more weight and such.

Strength is the most basic form of superiority in nature.

Nowadays that doesn't matter, but back then it did.

Modifié par lolwut666, 05 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[Turran]

Nyoka wrote...

Avissel wrote...

If at any point any of the character who were not:
A: Fillied with mind altering Toxin
B: Jacob's crazy ass dad

Had said something along the lines of "A planet of meek women? I see nothing wrong with this, it is thier place to serve men."

That would have been sexist.

Or had some one cracked a "make me a sammich" joke.

So only words can be sexist, not actions?

What actions in the mission became sexist? I didn't see any male character stick their thumb up out of sheer delight in the situation. Jacob was disgusted, along with Shepard? The only person who wasn't was the father who got what was coming to him.

[Turran]

If anything they went back to a more primitive state with the neural decay, in most species of animals the females are the more submissive ones when facing males. They may do everything but down to their level of thinking, the male is dominant.
This is wrong, yes, but we are humans and have evolved past those thoughts and stages (Well most of us), the fact they went back to their more primitive state, it would make sense it is like that.

[Avissel]

Nyoka wrote...
So only words can be sexist, not actions?

I think I got it wrong in my first post. The thing in this mission is, every crew member ate toxic food and everybody became retarded because of it, and, as a consequence: (1) every man became aggresive, and (2) every woman became submissive. Is that what happened in that mission?

They didnt "become retarded" >_>

The toxen imparied higher thought processes. It also had the effect of increaseing agression in males and decreaseing it in women.

The bridge crew did not eat the toxic food and after awhile began to abuse the position of power they held.

It's a classic example of "Power Corrupts"

[PrinceLionheart]

Nyoka wrote...

I think I got it wrong in my first post. The thing in this mission is, every crew member ate toxic food and everybody became retarded because of it, and, as a consequence: (1) every man became aggresive, and (2) every woman became submissive. Is that what happened in that mission?

The thing you're missing though is that the males didn't become primal until after Ronald Taylor drove them out into the wild.

[Avissel]

Not the entire crew, the bridge crew ate normal rations but eventually turned on one another.

The men were put into the role of hunters, but when they started to rebel against him he exiled them and they started attacking the settlement.

[1Minsc1]

Turran wrote...

Nature is racist, in nearly every animal society the males are always the ones fighting over the right to mate with females! Jesus Christ why is it so unfair that a good story happens to have a male character in charge and people going back to their primitive state!

I vote making bland story lines so no religion, culture, belief, sexual oriantation and gender can become offended in any single way possible! :'(

"nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist. a lot of scientist say in populations with fighting male the female are in charge. the female set the standards the male must reach. we don't know how human in primitive state would act like. so the plot told us: toxic food-> delete gender -> behaviour controlled only by sex (nature), without good fact about this primitive state. men an women behave very stereotypic in this primitive state. sexistic plot, jes i think.
 
@nyoka: now it got it

Modifié par 1Minsc1, 05 mai 2011 - 05:11 .

[1Minsc1]

lolwut666 wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

@ lolwut666 what do you mean with "dominant"?

Stronger.

Men can lift more weight and such.

Strength is the most basic form of superiority in nature.

Nowadays that doesn't matter, but back then it did.

thx, see my post above as an answer

[Avissel]

1Minsc1 wrote...
nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist.

You're an idiot, go read some books about ants.

Modifié par Avissel, 05 mai 2011 - 05:09 .

[1Minsc1]

Avissel wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...
nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist.

You're an idiot, go read some books about ants.

thx, so only ants, not nature, are racist?

Modifié par 1Minsc1, 05 mai 2011 - 05:14 .

[Avissel]

......Ant's aren't natural?

[1Minsc1]

1Minsc1 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...
nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist.

You're an idiot, go read some books about ants.

thx, so only ants, not whole nature, are racist?

[Turran]

1Minsc1 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Nature is racist, in nearly every animal society the males are always the ones fighting over the right to mate with females! Jesus Christ why is it so unfair that a good story happens to have a male character in charge and people going back to their primitive state!

I vote making bland story lines so no religion, culture, belief, sexual oriantation and gender can become offended in any single way possible! :'(

"nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist. a lot of scientist say in populations with fighting male the female are in charge. the female set the standards the male must reach. we don't know how human in primitive state would act like. so the plot told us: toxic food-> delete gender -> behaviour controlled only by sex (nature), without good fact about this primitive state. men an women behave very stereotypic in this primitive state. sexistic plot, jes i think.
 
@nyoka: now it got it

I don't think you picked up on the fact that post was a joke, a 'micky-take' out of what the OP was going on about?
Plus, we are not on about racism, it is sexism. Also females do not set the standard for males to reach, the males fight it out to become dominant, the females will ALWAYS choose the stronger male as their offspring will then have better chances of suvival, therefor they become PASSIVE in a fight between males (Yes there are cases in the wild where this does not apply, such as some species on Monkeys and such, but that is defend their offspring to a rival male).. Either way, I really don't see ANY sexism in this mission at all.

The only reason I bring real life into it is because it is over a really silly thing. If you got offended by it, it does get rediculous. Males became aggressive due to wanting power/women, by the looks of it. At first they were all submissive and living happily as it is said in the mission and dialog in there.

Modifié par Turran, 05 mai 2011 - 05:32 .

[1Minsc1]

@ Turran :-) i still disagree based on my knowledge on sociobiologie, but okay. jes your post works....

[Thargorichiban]

jamesp81 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Women aren't normally portrayed as lecherous in any media, Seboist.

A female acting captain raping her male crew wouldn't have been well-received.

It also wouldn't be believable.  Once the men realized "free nookie" they'd be in favor of it, and it wouldn't be rape anymore.

So men want to have sex all the time no matter who with? That's a pretty baseless assurtion based on a stereotype...

On another note something did bother me about this mission: After years of being stranded with lots of intercourse being had there were no children on the planet. No babies were born during all of that time. Only thinking on this mission now did I realize that and it seems pretty odd.

[dreman9999]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Men are natrally more agressive then Women.

Want and example....
 
Put  a group of 12 year old boys in a room and leave, come back and your find the room in total chaos.

Put  a group of 12 year old girl in a room and leave, come back and your find the room is fine.

I got into quitie a few fights with boys when I was twelve years old...

And how many girls? I'm not surprized about some girls fighting boys. Though most do grow out of it.

[1Minsc1]

@ Thargorichiban: the toxic food, the radiation of the sun, or whatever also caused infertility

[Zkyire]

Nashiktal wrote...

The key word here is Testosterone.

People need to be reminded of this post over and over again until it sinks in.