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[Thargorichiban]

1Minsc1 wrote...

@ Thargorichiban: the toxic food, the radiation of the sun, or whatever also caused infertility

Yeah, I suppose it could, but it would have been nice if it had been addressed in-game instead of not at all. Instead it seems like something that they just forgot about.

[dreman9999]

1Minsc1 wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...
nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist.

You're an idiot, go read some books about ants.

thx, so only ants, not whole nature, are racist?

Bees,Ants, termites,hornets, wasp, and Mole rats go to war with one another.  Animals with a high type of social sturcture and large numbers go to war with one another.

[Jzadek72]

I don't think it was sexist. I think it was more that Jacob's father was. I didn't interpret it as biological, so much as caused by how they were treated - the women were enslaved, the men driven out. Being so "devolved", the women didn't know how to respond to enslavement any other way than submission. The men didn't know any other way to respond to violence than to fight. It'd have made the same amount of sense the other way around, had it been the women forced away, and the men enslaved.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 05 mai 2011 - 06:26 .

[1Minsc1]

Thargorichiban wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

@ Thargorichiban: the toxic food, the radiation of the sun, or whatever also caused infertility

Yeah, I suppose it could, but it would have been nice if it had been addressed in-game instead of not at all. Instead it seems like something that they just forgot about.

agreed

[1Minsc1]

dreman9999 wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...
nature is racist" why? never heard the golden retriever startet a war to kill all sheep dogs. only humans can be racist.

You're an idiot, go read some books about ants.

thx, so only ants, not whole nature, are racist?

Bees,Ants, termites,hornets, wasp, and Mole rats go to war with one another.  Animals with a high type of social sturcture and large numbers go to war with one another.

is was a joke by turran... anyway: that's still no argument that whole nature is racist. bees, ants, rats and so on are different species not races. most of all: only intelligent beeings can be racist, please check the definition.

[Inquisitor Recon]

If the Captain was a hot women and "raping" all of the men, these forums would be filled with posts along the lines of: "Oh man, I wish I was part of that crew."

Currently we only have to deal with Jacob (or Jacob's loyalty mission) bashing rarely.

[Dj_atomica]

I feel bad that this comes up when no-one else seems to care about how 99% of male characters in games are either Ninjas or Ripped people with bodies that can only be achieved with a diet of pure steroids. Jacob=Abbs. Thane= Ninja. Shep=Steroids. Zaeed= Steroids. Dante, Marcus Phoenix...
Feels bad that Musclemen are fine but when a female is portrayed as submissive, it's sexist. No, the mission is not sexist. Neither is it racist. Race and gender should not effect how we view something. Did Taylor act like an evil ass? Yes. Was it Sexist? No. Testosterone is fact.

[JustHonest]

Katamariguy wrote...

 it just freaks me out that all the women remained submissive and all the men became rebellious. Does neural degradation cause gender stereotypes?

...people will find anything to **** about these days...

[Paraxial]

PanzerDivision wrote...

Yes.

And they're racist too, cuz this happened to a black guy.

Let me call up Jesse, we're gonna march on your ass.

[twisty77]

Nope. Not sexist. You're probably one of those people with a millimeter-thick skin too, yes? Who every time you're insulted demand an apology?

[Alpha-Centuri]

Some people try to act as if testosterone doesn't exist, and everything is a construct of society. Some things are physiological; it doesn't hurt the feminist movement by noting differences.

Just my 2 cents.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...
Some people try to act as if testosterone doesn't exist, and everything is a construct of society. Some things are physiological; it doesn't hurt the feminist movement by noting differences.

Better not tell them that, or they'll try to stab you and steal your wallet.

[Jzadek72]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Some people try to act as if testosterone doesn't exist, and everything is a construct of society. Some things are physiological; it doesn't hurt the feminist movement by noting differences.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes, but given how annoyed some people have been in response to this, women can be angry and violent too.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 05 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[ObserverStatus]

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[Manic Sheep]

Guys and girls are actually different, you cannot deny that one. Not everything is society..

We do not have the same amounts of the same hormones. The guys were also exiled whereas he kept the woman under his control.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 06 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[Niddy']

Aren't all females submissive to males in nature? Only animal i can think of this not being the case is the spider that eats the male after they mate. though she would have to submit to the male to mate....

[Xeranx]

Sbri wrote...

There is an assumption here that females in a more "primitive" state were by nature "submissive. Observations of females in out two closest ape relations currently in existence show that females are far from submissive, and in the case of the Bonobo species, are the dominate members of their societies. They are VERY capable of extreme aggression. Even in the chimpanzee species that we are most familiar with, where the males are without a doubt dominant, females will attack viciously if cornered, and low ranking males know better then to mess with the higher ranked females, or they can risk a nasty injury. There is no sure evidence as to what early social structures look like. There is debate the monogamy arose very early in human evolution, and in fact might be what made us human. Couple that with the fact that only gorillas in the great ape family live in a harem dominated by a single male, saying that females acquiescing to a harem is somehow hardwired into our primitive brains is not in line with the evidence.
That being said, while the situation may have been sexist, I believe it was with a purpose. It was making a point and telling a story, so in this case I feel it works. It certainly left me feeling horrified.

I read a story discussing child psychology to see the differences between boys and girls.  I forget what was actually stated, but I remember it being said that the girl in the scenario was more aggressive while the boy was more docile.  I don't know how someone would rate that on a scale, but I thought it interesting.