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[Shadowbanner]

leonia42 wrote...

Also, I was unaware that DA2 was suppose to appeal to the CoD crowd and also unsure what CoD has to do with ME3. I will concede that ME2 didn't have a great story going on but it's still considered an RPG (an action-RPG by some).

Said BW or EA themselves. If someone can help me hunt down the quote I would be much obliged.

Sure ME2 was still an RPG, no discussion on that, just less so than ME1, that's all.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 06 mai 2011 - 03:24 .

[ExtremeOne]

wraith_05 wrote...

Oh I am sorry do you rpg gamers feel hurt because Bioware might be wanting sh*t can the notion they can only make rp games and nothing else

RPG games that give you choices to the extent of "I might have a panic attack, there are so many options," are some of the best games made. ME2, while delicious to my taste, lacked this feeling. If felt like, here is a list of guns you can use, now shoot. Oh, also, here is a 4% upgrade to health.

   



My point was Bioware might not want to be viewed as a rpg game developer only company anymore 

[Leonia]

Shadowbanner wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Also, I was unaware that DA2 was suppose to appeal to the CoD crowd and also unsure what CoD has to do with ME3. I will concede that ME2 didn't have a great story going on but it's still considered an RPG (an action-RPG by some).

Said BW or EA themselves. If someone can help me hunt down the quote I would be much obliged.

Sure ME2 was still an RPG, no discussion on that, just less so than ME1, that's all.

I know the quote you are referring to and you're ignoring its context. But that's neither here nor there, building a whole argument on an obscure quote is never a wise idea.

[Mr.House]

Embrosil wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

O.K. So your logic tells me, if a plane crash, you will happily board the next one of the same company, because different pilot, different experience? I do not think so.

If it's a company I have supported for long time, sure I'll give them another chance. Especially if it's an affordable and comfortable experience that I can't get from elsewhere. Besides, how often do plane crashes happen?

How often does a company making the best RPGs in the world releases two ****ty games in a row?

Bioware released two ****ty games in a row? Only one I know that was recent was ME2.

[Severyx]

Hate for the hate god!

Oh wait, wrong game series.

[Giantdeathrobot]

 It's amazing how people can get so worked up on labels and on marketing talk. Of course the EA guy will say ME3 appeals to a larger market, it's his damn job, what the hell should they do, tell the executives that no, sorry, our goal is to sell less because we are cool like that? Try to have a minimum of perspective here people.

I also grow really tired of all the talk about keeping the RPG in Mass Effect. The series never was a good RPG. The first game had a flawed dialog system (and so does the second, even if it's a bit improved, but it needs a looking at imo), the inventory was bloated and made no sense in-universe (apparently every single person in the galaxys runs around with better equipement that super-badass space captain Shepard) and the level up system, after level 10, made me do 1% more damage per level. Yay? Point is, while ME1 did have lots of RPG elemrnts, they were neither strong nor essential, and that's why I am not opposed to *gasp* streamlining them. The Mass Effect series being a shooter with light RPG elements is perfect for me. Of course, more customization, more ways to play and more meaningful stats are always welcome to differentiate it from other shooter, and it's what we have been promised so far, so...

And to the people bringing up DA2, that game had less developement time, suffered much more from lack of polish than from lack of RPG-ness, was made by a different team, and sold much less than it's predecessor (and I am certain that last point was at least partially why they pushed the released date when they saw that such an unfinished product didn't sell very well).

[Leonia]

Embrosil wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

O.K. So your logic tells me, if a plane crash, you will happily board the next one of the same company, because different pilot, different experience? I do not think so.

If it's a company I have supported for long time, sure I'll give them another chance. Especially if it's an affordable and comfortable experience that I can't get from elsewhere. Besides, how often do plane crashes happen?

How often does a company making the best RPGs in the world releases two ****ty games in a row?

I haven't experienced any of Bioware's ****ty games, as you so call them. That's just like, your opinion man. Also, different teams make different games.

I can't really figure out which two games you are referring to.  I am guessing one is DA2 (of which I enjoyed).

[Apollo Starflare]

leonia42 wrote...

Also, I was unaware that DA2 was suppose to appeal to the CoD crowd and also unsure what CoD has to do with ME3. I will concede that ME2 didn't have a great story going on but it's still considered an RPG (an action-RPG by some).

They call it Cod paranoia. Originally it was thought to be an extreme fear of a certain species of fish, but now it has been understood that it is the feeling some gamers get when a new Call of Duty game is on the horizon and they become irrationally fearful that 'their' game will do everything it can to emulate that series.

Basically it's nonsense, like most of the complaints in this thread. Houston, we officially have stable pre-release paranoia in effect.

The revionist historians crack me up too, It wouldn't matter if there WAS a perfect game, some people would revise the feedback it got in their memory to make it seem like it was a massive letdown in some fashion.

[Shadowbanner]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

If you misquote me and delete where I explain this...then we are unable to reason.

Hilarious of you to post this considering this is the exact same thing the rpg elitists are doing.

Huh? How so?

A guy at a share holder meeting says: We are tweaking the game to appeal to a wide audience.

Rpg Elitist hears: BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! WE ARE SYSTEMATICALLY ANNIHILATING ALL RPG COMPONENTS!!!!

Casey Hudson says: We will be expanding on the rpg elements to find a balance between ME 1 and 2

Rpg elitist hears: THEY ARE GETTING RID OF RPG ELEMENTS!!!! THOSE BASTARDS!!!!!

I guess you missed the part where I said I wasn't an RPG elitist, but whatever.

I take and agree with you IF there were no precedents, granted.

But I've just finished playing an awful game called DA2 which, although made by a different team, is a BW/EA RPG game. And it was streamlined to appeal to that same CoD crowd JR is mentioning -yet- again. He really must have wet dreams with the CoD guys.

And we also have ME2 in which RPG elements were removed detracting from enjoyment in my case. If you thoroughly enjoyed ME2, I'm glad for you. But I and a legion of others happened to enjoy it less than ME1 because of the stripping down of RPG elements. Maybe that does makes me an RPG elitist, I dunno. I'm just a console-player who likes RPGs, guilty as charged of liking BW games. I really cannot imagine anyone entertaining the idea that ME1 was the typical game of RPG purists, can you?

   



I am so sick of hearing you rpg gamer elitsit act like Mass Effect 2 was a bad game . Who gives a dam if it has any rpg in it at this point . It corrected Mass Effect 1's completly ****** poor shooting and biotics mechaincs. It also got rid of stupid ass inventory garbage crap . If you want your rpg game go f**king play Fallout or  Skyrim . Mass Effect 2 sold more than Mass Effect 1 and it was a better game .  Either deal with the change or find a new rpg to play simple as that 

You honour your avatar.

[Someone With Mass]

wraith_05 wrote...
RPG games that give you choices to the extent of "I might have a panic attack, there are so many options," are some of the best games made. ME2, while delicious to my taste, lacked this feeling. If felt like, here is a list of guns you can use, now shoot. Oh, also, here is a 4% upgrade to health.

They're improving that by quite a lot in ME3, though, so I'm not worried about the lack of options.

[Mr.House]

leonia42 wrote...
I haven't experienced any of Bioware's ****ty games, as you so call them. That's just like, your opinion man. Also, different teams make different games.

I can't really figure out which two games you are referring to.  I am guessing one is DA2 (of which I enjoyed).

It's ME2, can't figure out what the other one is tho, hmmmm.

Modifié par Mr.House, 06 mai 2011 - 03:31 .

[Severyx]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Also, I was unaware that DA2 was suppose to appeal to the CoD crowd and also unsure what CoD has to do with ME3. I will concede that ME2 didn't have a great story going on but it's still considered an RPG (an action-RPG by some).

They call it Cod paranoia. Originally it was thought to be an extreme fear of a certain species of fish, but now it has been understood that it is the feeling some gamers get when a new Call of Duty game is on the horizon and they become irrationally fearful that 'their' game will do everything it can to emulate that series.

Basically it's nonsense, like most of the complaints in this thread. Houston, we officially have stable pre-release paranoia in effect.

The revionist historians crack me up too, It wouldn't matter if there WAS a perfect game, some people would revise the feedback it got in their memory to make it seem like it was a massive letdown in some fashion.

We have a winner! Bing bing bing bing biiiiiing!! </Jim Carrey>

This is why I can't take any of this bickering, arguing and debating seriously. Not in this thread, not in the others. Everyone's already pissed their pants, they might as well try to justify it.

[lolwut666]

Urgh...

This thread is so full of fail.

[Leonia]

Ah, if it's ME2 then.. that's not a description I would use. While the story was weak, I freaking loved the gameplay in ME2 and really enjoy replaying it.

[Mr.House]

lolwut666 wrote...

Urgh...

This thread is so full of fail.

Want some popcorn?

[Leonia]

You know what's tasty? Kettlecorn.

[JKoopman]

I love how the "shooter fans" snobbishly and arrogantly proclaim that anyone who finds fault with Mass Effect's new direction should just "shut up and deal with it" while simultaneously asserting that ANYONE who expresses a desire for a richer classic RPG experience is apparently by default an "RPG elitist".

Lord, the hypocrisy...

Modifié par JKoopman, 06 mai 2011 - 03:37 .

[Da Mecca]

Ah the simple joys of a fanbase.

[wraith_05]

Off topic - has there been any news about whether the side missions in ME2 will have an impact in ME3. I assume they will but I'm on my third play through of ME2 with different romance options and I really don't want to do all those quests. I'm brain dead.

[Severyx]

JKoopman wrote...

I love how the "shooter fans" snobbishly and arrogantly assert that anyone who finds fault with Mass Effect's new direction should just "shut up and deal with it" while simultaneously proclaiming that ANYONE who expresses a desire for a richer classic RPG experience is apparently by default an "RPG elitist".

Lord, the hypocrisy...

Hey, Bioware said they're spending extra time improving both. I'm cool with that.

[Mr.House]

JKoopman wrote...

I love how the "shooter fans" snobbishly and arrogantly proclaim that anyone who finds fault with Mass Effect's new direction should just "shut up and deal with it" while simultaneously asserting that ANYONE who expresses a desire for a richer classic RPG experience is apparently by default an "RPG elitist".

Lord, the hypocrisy...

Welcome to Bioware, the home of the RPG civil war.

[nelly21]

leonia42 wrote...

You know what's tasty? Kettlecorn.

God yes.

My wife is attempting to subdue my obsession with it. She says it'll make me fat. I usually just tell her, "Let's be honest, you were always the looks in this relationship".

It's awesome. Not only can I continue eating the stuff, I score brownie points.

[nici2412]

I'm a RPG player, having played a few shooters during my life (unreal tournament, half-life, counterstrike, bioshock; thats it) but have to admit, that mass effect 2 was by far the better game. except of the weak mainstory it was superior in every way. the "rpg" elements in mass effect 1 were a joke. I would really love to see useful rpg elemnets in mass effect 3. but even without it, mass effect will be fine. the story, characters und decisions are the most important rpg for me.

[wraith_05]

JKoopman wrote...

I love how the "shooter fans" snobbishly and arrogantly proclaim that anyone who finds fault with Mass Effect's new direction should just "shut up and deal with it" while simultaneously asserting that ANYONE who expresses a desire for a richer classic RPG experience is apparently by default an "RPG elitist".

Lord, the hypocrisy...

This.

[nelly21]

JKoopman wrote...

I love how the "rpg fans" snobbishly and arrogantly proclaim that anyone who doesn't find fault with Mass Effect's new direction should just "shut up " while simultaneously asserting that ANYONE who expresses a desire for a richer classic shooter experience is apparently by default an "CoD Kiddie".

Lord, the hypocrisy...

God almighty this is fun.