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[Ahglock]

MrGone wrote...


BWAHAHAHAHA!

I'm sorry. I've seen WAY too many immature relationships go on between idiots to know that yes "backsies" DO happen all the time in relationships.

I had two ROOMMATES (so you know this was fun) who dated, broke up, slept with other people, got back to gether and then each accused the other of cheating!

Were they cheating? "Technically" no. But did it matter? No it did not! They broke up again!

And now they're married sooooooo . . . . yeah love don't make no sense.

You seem a noble person sir, if naive. There are no "rules" to romance.

Sure that can happen.  But the thing is you are affirmatively taking some one back if they dump you and then appologise later.  If you don't have the choice to take them back and it is forced, you are in a effed up relationship with some serious control issues.    I have seen all kinds of relationships, some healthy some not.  The there is no take backsies was a quip nothing more.  

[1Minsc1]

What about that: we don't know what the VS is thinking (apart from our interpretation of the Email). But BW "knows", so BW says it is cheating (or?) than it is cheating. So there should be an option to tell the VS you don´t think it is cheating. But that would not help at all.

[Ahglock]

1Minsc1 wrote...

What about that: we don't know what the VS is thinking (apart from our interpretation of the Email). But BW "knows", so BW says it is cheating (or?) than it is cheating. So there should be an option to tell the VS you don´t think it is cheating. But that would not help at all.

That might happen, but to me that just means there system sucked ass since you had no means of responding and you the player not the character are getting screwed for it.  Maybe if your various responses to Tim when he asks if your past is an issue effected if its cheating I can see it.  But even that is a bit of a stretch.  I mean if you say I am free and clear, doesn't that mean even in game you see yourself as out of the relationship?

[1Minsc1]

Ahglock wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

What about that: we don't know what the VS is thinking (apart from our interpretation of the Email). But BW "knows", so BW says it is cheating (or?) than it is cheating. So there should be an option to tell the VS you don´t think it is cheating. But that would not help at all.

That might happen, but to me that just means there system sucked ass since you had no means of responding and you the player not the character are getting screwed for it.  Maybe if your various responses to Tim when he asks if your past is an issue effected if its cheating I can see it.  But even that is a bit of a stretch.  I mean if you say I am free and clear, doesn't that mean even in game you see yourself as out of the relationship?

So you did not know your LI! The LI might say" How can you see yourself free? If you ever really loved me - and read the EMail carefully - you would know that you are not!" That's real life...

Modifié par 1Minsc1, 06 mai 2011 - 06:40 .

[Ahglock]

1Minsc1 wrote...


So you did not know your LI! The LI might say" How can you see yourself free? If you ever really loved me - and read the EMail carefully - you would know that you are not!" That's real life...

Real life (outside of abusive relationships that is) is if you get dumped and the person says they still care for you, you decide wether or not to give the relationship another shot.  You don't get forced back into the relationship.  I mean sure stalkers might think you are in a relatioship when you are not, but that isn't really healthy either.  

[Evercrow]

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

[Nozybidaj]

Evercrow wrote...

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

From the end of ME1 to ME2, all through ME2, and leading up to ME3 you've had a total of like 10 seconds of interaction with these people over the course of 3 or 4 years.  How anyone would consider luvin' someone up in ME2 cheating is beyond me.

[1Minsc1]

Ahglock wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...


So you did not know your LI! The LI might say" How can you see yourself free? If you ever really loved me - and read the EMail carefully - you would know that you are not!" That's real life...

Real life (outside of abusive relationships that is) is if you get dumped and the person says they still care for you, you decide wether or not to give the relationship another shot.  You don't get forced back into the relationship.  I mean sure stalkers might think you are in a relatioship when you are not, but that isn't really healthy either.  

The VS didn't forced you back, she/he thinks the relationship never ended. From her/his point of view this is explained in the EMail. So you dump the VS when you start something new. 

[wright1978]

I think cheating should have an affect on that character's loyalty status. They might very well fight alongside Shepherd but wouldn't trust him anymore.

[1Minsc1]

Evercrow wrote...

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

no, BW say "in ME2"

[Elvis_Mazur]

I just hope we'll have the option on NOT recruiting them.


After Horizon they do not deserve to be in my ship.

[Shadowrun1177]

I'll be honest I could never really understand how it could be considered cheating on your ME1 LI in ME 2, cause your basically dead for 2 years. Add in the fact that both Kaidan and Ash said they moved on after your "death", Kaidan even says he went on a date. I can understand them being confused by your sudden return, and a talk needing to be had between Shepard and the ME 1 LI. Still don't see it as cheating unless you try to get back with them in ME 3 otherwise it just a situation that needs to be resolved.

[Evercrow]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Evercrow wrote...

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

From the end of ME1 to ME2, all through ME2, and leading up to ME3 you've had a total of like 10 seconds of interaction with these people over the course of 3 or 4 years.  How anyone would consider luvin' someone up in ME2 cheating is beyond me.

I agree with lack of interaction with VS LI. What I can't agree is with you choice of quote

[Evercrow]

1Minsc1 wrote...

Evercrow wrote...

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

no, BW say "in ME2"

Maybe, you can elaborate?
If you mean that Bioware had poor choice of words, when they say Shep cheated in ME2, than I answer this:
It could be considered cheating, because we "we're on the break" line don't guarantee happy reconciliation.  If you sleep with others, while they keeping good memories at heart and staring at your photo at rainy evenings, they have right to be offended.

[1Minsc1]

@ Evercrow: sorry, i meant: if you had an LI in ME1, and sleep with another person in ME2 that's cheating. The indicator that shows if you are faithfull or not is the pic of you ME1 LI in you cabin.

[1Minsc1]

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Modifié par 1Minsc1, 06 mai 2011 - 07:45 .

[VolusNamedBob]

RunicDragons wrote...

Kaidan/Ashley have to move on if you romanced them in Mass Effect, but romanced someone else in Mass Effect 2 (Garrus for example.) Shepard was dead for 2 years.. They have no reason to be jealous.

This.

Also, on a semi-related note; Ash/Kaidan deeply respected, and in some cases loved you. And yet they get angry when they meet you again despite having just saved their lives and more. Later on you get to meet Wrex, one who had arguments with you continuously. Now, in this reunion you didn't do much, you just arrived on his planet. and yet, he gets up to shake your hand and loudly announce that you're his friend.

In short, Wrex > VS

[Evercrow]

VolusNamedBob wrote...

RunicDragons wrote...

Kaidan/Ashley have to move on if you romanced them in Mass Effect, but romanced someone else in Mass Effect 2 (Garrus for example.) Shepard was dead for 2 years.. They have no reason to be jealous.

This.

Also, on a semi-related note; Ash/Kaidan deeply respected, and in some cases loved you. And yet they get angry when they meet you again despite having just saved their lives and more. Later on you get to meet Wrex, one who had arguments with you continuously. Now, in this reunion you didn't do much, you just arrived on his planet. and yet, he gets up to shake your hand and loudly announce that you're his friend.

In short, Wrex > VS

so why do you all think the repercussions will be "screw up you war effort"-kind, and not "can't romance again"- kind?

Loved the semi-related note.Wrex definitely wins, like he did in elevator rides.

[RGC_Ines]

Gabey5 wrote...

You were meat and tubes for 2 years.. ash/kaiden are alliance soldiers and have moved on to bigger things,  i hope they aren't turned in to drama queens over this as many people want to see some kind of overreaction from them? I also hope they did some growing up or had some significant change. Thoughts?

I said many times, that for me relationship between my Shep and Kaidan is over after her " death"  and I never consider new ME2 relationship as a cheating. First,  Shep was " dead" by two years, and for me it's natural, that the death of one partner means that relationship is over. Kaidan moved on, so my Shep had a right to do this same thing. Second, Shepard NEVER promised Kaidan, that she will thinking about re-union ( after he suggested it in his mail after Horizon). For me, Shepard could be called a " cheater" if BioWare gave me a chance to talk to previous ( Kaidan) LI in ME2 about relationship on Horizon, or made promises about re-union ( or definetly " broke up") in a mail, she could send to Kaidan as an answer ( it could just be two standard mails in a game, one with promises and one with " broke up"). Then and only then, when she gave Kaidan hope for re-union, and she take  a new LI in ME2 , she could be a cheater. My fear about " cheating" is simple: Im affraid I will lost quests/missions/chance for recruiting companion in game, only becouse all  ME1 LIs return was poorly made by Devs ( with Liara I heard it was resolved in LotSB DLC). I think, that dialogs about all this " cheating" will be ratcher mature without overacting and " soap opera"  Anyway we have Earth to save, so problems with LI from a past aren't too important ( but in this same time hope there will be a chance for new LI, i.e Joker, and the last rumours, that there's no new romance partner in ME3 isn't true)

[1Minsc1]

So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate"
When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. The VS thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. And on Horizon no one said "It's over". And in the EMail the VS said "I still love you, we will be togehter again." The VS got no reply, so she/he thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". Reasonable?

[RGC_Ines]

1Minsc1 wrote...

So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate"
When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. The VS thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. And on Horizon no one said "It's over". And in the EMail the VS said "I still love you, we will be togehter again." The VS got no reply, so she/he thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". Reasonable?

It's not my " fault" that I couldn't clearly said to Kaidan that's over, it's simple BioWare fault, and I see no reason to be punish, becouse of someone mistake. All situation with Kaidan/Ash romance could be easly resolve two times in a game.
-once in a dialog on Horizon
-second time in a standard two mails as a replay to theirs
Devs gave us a chance to stabilize relationship with Liara in LotB, and they could do this same with VS. They didn't done it, and to be honest for me any "cheating" argue with Kaidan will be unresonable. As he said in mail, he moved on, try to date and start his life anew, and my Shep HAD a RIGHT to do this same. Kaidan havn't any right to be jealous.

[Nozybidaj]

Evercrow wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Evercrow wrote...

Hm, I think it will be more of an issue when you coming on to them again.
I mean, after Horizon, many considered exploring other possibilities. That's not cheating.But when you see them in ME3 and pretend nothing happened - that's asking for some smacktalk.
Liara is another issue, though.

From the end of ME1 to ME2, all through ME2, and leading up to ME3 you've had a total of like 10 seconds of interaction with these people over the course of 3 or 4 years.  How anyone would consider luvin' someone up in ME2 cheating is beyond me.

I agree with lack of interaction with VS LI. What I can't agree is with you choice of quote

Well maybe I misunderstood you then?  I assumed the asking for some smacktalk was == repercussions for cheating.  Also this applies to Liara as well not just VS survivor.  You barely had more interaction with her in ME2 than you did the VS survivor.

[Chromie]

Divorce!

[1Minsc1]

RGC_Ines wrote...

It's not my " fault" that I couldn't clearly said to Kaidan that's over, it's simple BioWare fault, and I see no reason to be punish, becouse of someone mistake. All situation with Kaidan/Ash romance could be easly resolve two times in a game.
-once in a dialog on Horizon
-second time in a standard two mails as a replay to theirs
Devs gave us a chance to stabilize relationship with Liara in LotB, and they could do this same with VS. They didn't done it, and to be honest for me any "cheating" argue with Kaidan will be unresonable. As he said in mail, he moved on, try to date and start his life anew, and my Shep HAD a RIGHT to do this same. Kaidan havn't any right to be jealous.

I agree, Horizon and this "cheating-plot" are badly written. But that's arguing on a meta-level. From an "ingame-view" it's different. I never romanced Kaidan, so i don't know his mail, it seems to be far different to Ash's mail. I think it's easy possible to interpret her mail in the way "We are still together".  We don't know what the VS is thinking (apart from our
interpretation of the Email). But BW "knows". BW says it is cheating, because the VS thinks there is still a relationship, than it is cheating.There should be an option to tell the VS you don´t think it is cheating. But that would not help at all.

Modifié par 1Minsc1, 06 mai 2011 - 08:57 .

[RGC_Ines]

1Minsc1 wrote...

I agree, Horizon and this "cheating-plot" are badly written. But that's arguing on a meta-level. From an "ingame-view" it's different. I never romanced Kaidan, so i don't know his mail, it seems to be far different to Ash's mail. I think it's easy possible to interpret her mail in the way "We are still together". 

Here's mail from Kaidan after Horizon:

Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan
Don't get me wrong, I like Kaidan very much, and also I like the fact, that he stay true himself, but I don't like how  all this " re-union" was resolve in ME2 and the fact, that it looks like Devs try to force me to be a " cheater", becouse it's fit to theirs vision of ME3.