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[Shifty Assassin]

Im considering making a new game in me1 where a fem shep romances Ashley and then cheats on her with Garrus since they are both squad members in me 3 and see what happens

[jeweledleah]

DrRedrum wrote...

If you have a high enough Paragon/Renegade score in ME3 when the clash between LIs happen, you should be able to blow off Ash/Kaiden. You were dead for 2 years, give Shepard a break.

1.  you might have been dead for over 2 years, but to Shepard its like those 2 years never happened.  there are couple of opportunities to aknowledge this fact, that you have lost time.

2.  I don't think there should be a high score to stop relationships - you don't need high paragon/renegade score to either start a relationship or end it in ME1 and 2, it makes no sence to suddenly implement it in ME3.

3.  ability to clear the ear and clear it early would be great.  ability to get ME1 LI's back after moving on with ME2 LI's... should be very very difficult if not impossible.  ability to keep ME2 LI's should be dependant on clearing the air with your ME1 LI's as soon as possible.  the longer you jerk them both around, the more difficult the resolution should be, untill at some point, they both dump Shepard for being a 2-timing ****.

4.  at the post above me.  femshep romancing Ashley means modding the game to thinking you area male, while using female mesh.  as far as I know, it transfers to ME2, thus making femshep romances unavailable.  the good knews is - you can cheat on Ashley with Miranda...or Tali... or Jack.  just not Garrus

Modifié par jeweledleah, 07 mai 2011 - 07:46 .

[RGC_Ines]

Shifty Assassin wrote...

Im considering making a new game in me1 where a fem shep romances Ashley and then cheats on her with Garrus since they are both squad members in me 3 and see what happens

You can't romance with Ashley as a female Shepard, without any mod. For females in ME1 is Liara and Kaidan.

[RGC_Ines]

jeweledleah wrote...

1.  you might have been dead for over 2 years, but to Shepard its like those 2 years never happened.  there are couple of opportunities to aknowledge this fact, that you have lost time.

Exactly it's SHEPARD who lost two years in coma, and havn't too much time to move on before Horizon. So the only person who have real right to have any problem with romances ( including Kaidan's doctor from Citadel) is Shepard.

[Shadowrun1177]

jeweledleah wrote...

2.  I don't think there should be a high score to stop relationships - you don't need high paragon/renegade score to either start a relationship or end it in ME1 and 2, it makes no sence to suddenly implement it in ME3.

Ok I'm just gonna point out that, that's not true in ME 2 you clearly need a high or at least high enough paragon or renegade score or you can cut off your chances at romance cause of the Jack/Miranda fight and the Tali/Legion fight. Whats sad about this is that it's only for male Shepard not female Shepard, no fights seem to happen with the ME 2 LI that can cut off them talking to you further for female Shepard if your score isn't high enough.

[jeweledleah]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

2.  I don't think there should be a high score to stop relationships - you don't need high paragon/renegade score to either start a relationship or end it in ME1 and 2, it makes no sence to suddenly implement it in ME3.

Ok I'm just gonna point out that, that's not true in ME 2 you clearly need a high or at least high enough paragon or renegade score or you can cut off your chances at romance cause of the Jack/Miranda fight and the Tali/Legion fight. Whats sad about this is that it's only for male Shepard not female Shepard, no fights seem to happen with the ME 2 LI that can cut off them talking to you further for female Shepard if your score isn't high enough.

or... you could just side with your LI and make the other one disloyal?  relationship itself doens't depend on high paragon/renegade score, only keeping loyalty of both... and you don't have to be in relationship to keep that loyalty.  you can also end relationship WITHOUT losing that loyalty.

Exactly it's SHEPARD who lost two years in coma, and havn't too much
time to move on before Horizon. So the only person who have real right
to have any problem with romances ( including Kaidan's doctor from
Citadel) is Shepard.

I agree, though I don't think its fair of Shepard to blame someone for trying to move on after 2 years anymore then its fair for that someone to blame shepard for trying to move on.  I think the consequences should only appear if you refuse to clear the air with either or both LI's.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 07 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[RGC_Ines]

jeweledleah, I agree with You, that's Kaidan/Ash/Liara had a right to move on, and I had nothing against it. I just wanted to show all this things from Shepard's perspective and prove, that she have this same right to feel to be "cheated" by ME1 LIs. They both ( Shep & ME1 LIs) have right to move on, and that's reason why for me Devs " cheating" theory is wrong.

[jeweledleah]

RGC_Ines wrote...

jeweledleah, I agree with You, that's Kaidan/Ash/Liara had a right to move on, and I had nothing against it. I just wanted to show all this things from Shepard's perspective and prove, that she have this same right to feel to be "cheated" by ME1 LIs. They both ( Shep & ME1 LIs) have right to move on, and that's reason why for me Devs " cheating" theory is wrong.

I sincerely hope that its just using bad wording on their part.

[Shadowrun1177]

jeweledleah wrote...

or... you could just side with your LI and make the other one disloyal?  relationship itself doens't depend on high paragon/renegade score, only keeping loyalty of both... and you don't have to be in relationship to keep that loyalty.  you can also end relationship WITHOUT losing that loyalty.

Granted it may not of been exactly like you described but they seemed to have experimented in having your romance or possible romance effected by your paragon/renegade score to some degree and having an effect on the game in general with the loyalty lost possibly effecting the SM results.   

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 07 mai 2011 - 08:15 .

[PlumPaul93]

one of the things I wonder about is if sleeping with a LI in ME2 than dumping them means you are still with the LI from ME1. Anyone know if this is the case. (yes I know ME3 isn't out yet but I wondered if for example the LI from ME1's picture is back on the desk.

[corporal doody]

JoeClose wrote...

I just hope there's an option to give them the finger after they wrote you off on Horizon.

this.  if they were your LI in ME1...and you didnt like the way they were in ME2 and went with another LI...i hope that wont count as cheating... i can see if there was dialogue early in ME3 where you told VS i love and miss you or sum junk (after you got a new LI in ME2) it would be cheating...but if you said time passed us by..you've moved on so have I..but we can still be squadmates or something...then why would that be cheating?  I really dont want to have to start another ME1 run where i dont pick a LI so i can have one in ME2 so it wont negatively effect me in ME3.
Make me proud Bioware!

[evmiller]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
   
well you were working with a terroist group.. their info on cerberus is all the crap they did in me1

   


F**k that sh*t those 2 pieces of garbage have a a ass whipping coming their way . how dare those 2 treat Shepard like that on horizon . Bioware wants to protect those 2 percious pricks go ahead but those 2 will rot on the ship . Or they will die if I get my chance to kill them again 

I really don't understand why people rage so hard about Ash/Kaidan.  Their reactions seem rather believable to me,  it's almost like people just can't tolerate a few seconds of Shepherd not being space Jesus.

My issue with there attitude is they never gave Shep a chance to explain. After everything they've been through, I believed they could have at least gave Shep that chance. If there isn't a sincere apology from them at our next meeting, they'll be playing checkers with this Sanders person the whole mission.

Modifié par evmiller, 07 mai 2011 - 08:49 .

[1Minsc1]

This keeps going in circles here, so i quote myself:

1Minsc1 wrote...

I wrote: "So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate""
Now, that wasn't a good idea... i'm going to loose this trial. You can't cheat on Kaidan, okay.

Ashs mail:
Subject: Hey there. (german: hey Skipper)
Shepard-
I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.
I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.
I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.
Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.
--Ash

Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. Ash thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. On Horizon no one said "It's over" and in the EMail Ash said "I still love you, we are together/will be togehter again." She used the word Skipper (link to "Oh captain, my captain" means: faith, so she reconsidered that she called him a "traitor"), said she can't lose you a second time (lose what? her boyfriend), qoute the poem she qouted in the night before Ilos (sexual relationship) and let herself remember this night again. She used her nickname, so it's an private mail.
Ash got no reply, so she thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". We don't know what the she is thinking (apart from our interpretation of the Email). But BW "knows", so BW says "Ash thinks Shep cheat on her". There should be an option to tell Ash Shep thinks, he is not cheating. But that would not help at all. She thinks the relationship never ended. From her point of view this is explained in the EMail. So Shep cheat on her when he start something new after Horizon.
 
I agree, Horizon and this "cheating-plot" are badly written. But that's arguing on a meta-level. From an "ingame-view" it's different.

topic: In PC Gamer there is a vague suggestion, but i won't spoil....
When you look at the confirmed Squadmembers it's not clear when the two LI met. Perhaps you have to make a choice and the one you reject loose loyalty? Leaves the Squad? No that's too much, or? I hope there is no "catfight", but Ash could get a little furios...

Modifié par 1Minsc1, 07 mai 2011 - 09:18 .

[wright1978]

cheating is the wrong word, hurt is probably the right word. From both e-mails it reamins clear that Virmire survivor is still in love with Shepherd. So if in ME3 Shepherd is in love with someone else they are going to be hurt. I want a realistic reaction from Ash(loyalty status seems the obvious choice to me) rather than having them run around as if nothings happened.

[Bolboreta]

I think they maybe consider non-cheating as a loyalty mission. Imagine, at almost the end of the game, Ash/Kai has to decide if s/he trusts Shepard enough to let her/him do something that seems a very bad idea. If you have cheated on them, they're against you or something like that.

I wouldn't like it, but...

[Tripedius]

Didn't Kaidan already move on? In the email you get from him it says he's been seeing some doctor on the citadel (probably the same one you meet in ME1). So he's moved on and so can you.

[Nimrodell]

wright1978 wrote...

cheating is the wrong word, hurt is probably the right word. From both e-mails it reamins clear that Virmire survivor is still in love with Shepherd. So if in ME3 Shepherd is in love with someone else they are going to be hurt. I want a realistic reaction from Ash(loyalty status seems the obvious choice to me) rather than having them run around as if nothings happened.

Then Kaidan or Ashley don't deserve to be on the missions, especially as spectres since those are not about them, the entire galaxy is at stake... one thing is to go and **** around for being hurt but the other thing is accepting to save the galaxy and then to use hurt feelings not to do what must be done in crucial moment. Loyalty should not be based on who slept with whom in this case - they been with Shepard, they know who she/he is and being unloyal when it comes to saving the civilisation for the sake of being hurt... that's too petty even for them and they weren't worth it in the first place. That scenario would be like bad Mexican telenovela unfolding. I sincerely hope that BW perceives 'em above such cheap solutions and resolutions. Gah, I feel ecky just thinking about such plot. Yet again, who knows, everything is possible. But just, eeeew...

[Electricosity]

I am in favor for those real-time choices for para//rene to shoot them in the back since they are being ****s on horizon.

[wright1978]

Lack of loyalty doesn't mean they won't want to bring down the reapers. It just means their trust in you won't be te same. Exactly as it was in ME2, non-loyal party members still fought in suicide mission.

[Estelindis]

Tripedius wrote...

Didn't Kaidan already move on? In the email you get from him it says he's been seeing some doctor on the citadel (probably the same one you meet in ME1). So he's moved on and so can you.

Yes, he met a doctor on the Citadel for drinks.  But he thought Shepard was dead and what with death usually being permanent and all it would have been unhealthy for him not to try to move on.  Shepard's reapparance must have been very confusing for him.  I'd say he needed some time to figure things out.  If, once he took that time, he then told Shepard that the past is past and he's moved on with his life, and she shouldn't see herself as having any obligation to try to rekindle things with him, then I'd say Shepard can quite happily and correctly do whatever she wishes.  If he wanted to be with her again, though, I wouldn't see it as hypocritical of him.

The situation from Shepard's point of view isn't remotely analogous.  At no point did Shepard think Kaidan was dead.  Shepard didn't spend years mourning him and trying to get over him.  She knows that two years have passed and can only guess what he went through in that time, but for her their relationship would still be a fairly new thing.  I think she would be correct to tell Kaidan that he shouldn't feel any obligation to try to rekindle things with her, out of a sense to be fair to him and what he's gone through.  But I don't think she would have really gotten over him yet unless she didn't think the relationship was very deep to begin with.  So, the way I see it, people take one of two approaches: wait until we get the chance for a proper reunion in ME3 (and not engage in any other romances while we wait), or act as if Shepard was able to tell Kaidan she regards the relationship as over (because they feel the fact that Bioware doesn't give us this opportunity in-game shouldn't curtail their ability to enjoy ME2 romances).

Modifié par Estelindis, 07 mai 2011 - 09:02 .

[DrRedrum]

jeweledleah wrote...

DrRedrum wrote...

If you have a high enough Paragon/Renegade score in ME3 when the clash between LIs happen, you should be able to blow off Ash/Kaiden. You were dead for 2 years, give Shepard a break.

1.  you might have been dead for over 2 years, but to Shepard its like those 2 years never happened.  there are couple of opportunities to aknowledge this fact, that you have lost time.

2.  I don't think there should be a high score to stop relationships - you don't need high paragon/renegade score to either start a relationship or end it in ME1 and 2, it makes no sence to suddenly implement it in ME3.

3.  ability to clear the ear and clear it early would be great.  ability to get ME1 LI's back after moving on with ME2 LI's... should be very very difficult if not impossible.  ability to keep ME2 LI's should be dependant on clearing the air with your ME1 LI's as soon as possible.  the longer you jerk them both around, the more difficult the resolution should be, untill at some point, they both dump Shepard for being a 2-timing ****.

4.  at the post above me.  femshep romancing Ashley means modding the game to thinking you area male, while using female mesh.  as far as I know, it transfers to ME2, thus making femshep romances unavailable.  the good knews is - you can cheat on Ashley with Miranda...or Tali... or Jack.  just not Garrus

I like the thought of #3 alot, but most likely that would be way too hard to implement in its entirety.

[MrGone]

My question is, what happens if you go with a 3rd relationship after having two previous?

What if I'm playing James Bond who sleeps with a different girl each movie? He never has to worry about it cause his gals never meet each other/die, but in ME there's actual continuity to worry about.

If I want to be a himbo, will my old girlfriends stand in the way?

[WizenSlinky0]

MrGone wrote...

If I want to be a himbo, will my old girlfriends stand in the way?

Depends how many of them you can get killed!

[pohaturon]

Modifié par pohaturon, 11 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[Naughty Bear]

They betray me and i shall **** slap them both so hard, they will sent back to their motehrs womb and be reborn.