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[Captain_Obvious_au]

Gabey5 wrote...

well you were working with a terroist group.. their info on cerberus is all the crap they did in me1

True, it would be like being in the US Military, then finding out that your 'dead' commanding officer/lover is now working for the Klu Klux Klan. It would be a slight shock methinks.

[Nozybidaj]

BattleRaptor wrote...

The fear of cheating is where one is afraid there partner is having sexual relations with someone other then themselves.

This Often leads to an akward bedroom encounter where one party says
"I WILL KILL YOU"
While another party scrambles to get there pants on and at the same time be climbing out a window, yet not actually doing either well.
While a third person screams.
"ITS NOT WHAT YOU THINK!"
and interposes themselves between the 2 other combatants.

At least from my experiance.

IN masseffect the window leads to vaccum, and everyone is carrying guns.

ITS GOING TO BE AWESOME.

Yes, that is a good definition of the "fear of cheating".  Notice though that there are 3 people in the above scenario.  There is no such possibility for this scenario in ME2 for cheating to have occured.

I think the idea of having a "cheating" subplot could have been interesting but it would have required them actually continuing the romances from ME1 in ME2 and then tempting you out of that.  Instead they abandoned the ME1 romances.  Any attempt to include repercussions for "cheating" at this point would be well beyond "railroading".

[ReallyRue]

I still don't understand how pursuing a different LI in ME2 after Kaiden/Ash in ME1 is cheating. They dump Shepard like a lump of rock on Horizon. It's rather hard to believe the relationship continues after that.

[amcnow]

I have no fear of cheating because I don't cheat.  Liara is my one and only blue rose of Illium .

Miranda's attitude doesn't do Yvonne justice .  Jack has too much baggage , though the climax of her romance is touching.  For all I know, Tali could be a transsexual .  Ashley can die in flames (like she always does in my playthroughs) .  I don't bother with the male romances; I don't play on that side of the fence .

[HTTP 404]

its not cheating if its been 2 years. The only one that would be cheated would be on the relationship you started in me2 if you decide to go back to me1 LI.

also it would be sad if people hate me3 based on love interest interaction.  That is the least of my worries.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 11 mai 2011 - 03:06 .

[Clonedzero]

yeah i dont consider it cheating.

i was dead for TWO YEARS. she stated that she had moved on. she blew me off on horizon. i considered it over.

i'll put ashley first to die if she gives me grief about it, liara was cool with it when i "cheated" on her.

[nelly21]

I've got to say, the only person that I would still consider it cheating for is Liara. When she sees Shep, she frenches him in less than five seconds. In LotSB, she makes it clear she's still stuck on Shep.

Ash (and Kaidan I assume) hug you (which may or may not be a romantic gesture), and then send you an email which clearly says that Shep is a different person and so are they. Ash even says, "I loved you" on Horizon. In past tense. I don't see how Shep hooking up with Miri is cheating.

I don't mind Ash and Miranda disliking each other in ME 3. I would even welcome rivalry between tham since it would add to the immersion. But when I hear that there will be "repercussions" in ME 3, I get the sense that they are far more serious than arguments. I just hope it isn't like Ash dies on a mission because Shep "cheated" on her. That would be silly.

Modifié par nelly21, 11 mai 2011 - 03:25 .

[SalsaDMA]

1Minsc1 wrote...

So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate"
When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. The VS thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. And on Horizon no one said "It's over". And in the EMail the VS said "I still love you, we will be togehter again." The VS got no reply, so she/he thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". Reasonable?

Huh?

No reply at all is something you take as confirmation???

If anything, it says: "go hump a pole, cause I'm not wasting my time responding to your mail..."

You have a weird perception of relationships if you think it's about people not responding to each others mails, at all, when that mail is the only link between them. You might as well send a mail to a random person, and claim that unless the person responds, it means you and that person are an 'item'... It doesn't compute. The far far far more likely scenario is the person not responding to you, consider your mail in the same line as spammail and not worth his/her time to respond on.

If Shepard wanted to get together with the VS again, he should have responded on the mail and kept the connection alive through mails now and then.

He didn't.

They're through.

I'm not saying it's good of the game to force such a behaviour on the characters in a rpg, but it's what they did.

[1Minsc1]

SalsaDMA wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate"
When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. The VS thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. And on Horizon no one said "It's over". And in the EMail the VS said "I still love you, we will be togehter again." The VS got no reply, so she/he thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". Reasonable?

Huh?

No reply at all is something you take as confirmation???

If anything, it says: "go hump a pole, cause I'm not wasting my time responding to your mail..."

You have a weird perception of relationships if you think it's about people not responding to each others mails, at all, when that mail is the only link between them. You might as well send a mail to a random person, and claim that unless the person responds, it means you and that person are an 'item'... It doesn't compute. The far far far more likely scenario is the person not responding to you, consider your mail in the same line as spammail and not worth his/her time to respond on.

If Shepard wanted to get together with the VS again, he should have responded on the mail and kept the connection alive through mails now and then.

He didn't.

They're through.

I'm not saying it's good of the game to force such a behaviour on the characters in a rpg, but it's what they did.

The mail is not the only link,or? Shep could not respond, he can't send EMail from the most advanced warship...
This Thread was one-sided when i wrote this. Just for the joy of arguing i tried to defend BWs horrible writing... A few posts later i admitted that that was no good idea...

[ThatDancingTurian]

Some people have said 'it's not cheating because of Horizon' or 'it's not cheating because Shepard died'... IMO, it's not cheating regardless of those factors. Because flirting and then a 'we might die tomorrow' roll in the sack doesn't constitute a relationship, much less an exclusive one.

Granted, I haven't done a romance with the ME1 LIs in a while so my memory is fuzzy, but was there an explicit implication that a relationship would start or had started because of them sleeping together? Obviously there were feelings there (the intensity of which on Shepard's part may be left up to the player), but feelings alone don't signify a commitment. It's possible they didn't have a chance to sit down and have a talk about 'what this means' before Shepard was spaced.

This same logic applies to the ME2 LI's as well, there's no real explicit implication of a relationship. That might change in the gap between now and the trial, I don't know how that will play out.

I expect the VS will be hurt by Shepard moving on because of being in love with him/her, but personally I'll be annoyed if they get angry at Shepard for some perceived betrayal.

[SalsaDMA]

1Minsc1 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

So i'm taken the part as the "devil's advocate"
When ended the relationship? The Alliance never found Sheps corpse, he was declared as dead. The VS thought "Shep's dead, it's over", but that wasn't right. And on Horizon no one said "It's over". And in the EMail the VS said "I still love you, we will be togehter again." The VS got no reply, so she/he thinks "It's not over, we are still in a relationship". Reasonable?

Huh?

No reply at all is something you take as confirmation???

If anything, it says: "go hump a pole, cause I'm not wasting my time responding to your mail..."

You have a weird perception of relationships if you think it's about people not responding to each others mails, at all, when that mail is the only link between them. You might as well send a mail to a random person, and claim that unless the person responds, it means you and that person are an 'item'... It doesn't compute. The far far far more likely scenario is the person not responding to you, consider your mail in the same line as spammail and not worth his/her time to respond on.

If Shepard wanted to get together with the VS again, he should have responded on the mail and kept the connection alive through mails now and then.

He didn't.

They're through.

I'm not saying it's good of the game to force such a behaviour on the characters in a rpg, but it's what they did.

The mail is not the only link,or? Shep could not respond, he can't send EMail from the most advanced warship...
This Thread was one-sided when i wrote this. Just for the joy of arguing i tried to defend BWs horrible writing... A few posts later i admitted that that was no good idea...

Sorry. I guess I should make it a habbit of reading the whole thread before responding to posts in the start or middle 

[Black Raptor]

we should have been able to reply to emails ala GTA4 with either a paragon or renegade reply.

[1Minsc1]

@ SalsaDMA: doesn't matter. It's simply railroading by BW. They will say: the VS thinks it's cheating, so it is. Nothing we can do...

[Ahglock]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Some people have said 'it's not cheating because of Horizon' or 'it's not cheating because Shepard died'... IMO, it's not cheating regardless of those factors. Because flirting and then a 'we might die tomorrow' roll in the sack doesn't constitute a relationship, much less an exclusive one.

Granted, I haven't done a romance with the ME1 LIs in a while so my memory is fuzzy, but was there an explicit implication that a relationship would start or had started because of them sleeping together? Obviously there were feelings there (the intensity of which on Shepard's part may be left up to the player), but feelings alone don't signify a commitment. It's possible they didn't have a chance to sit down and have a talk about 'what this means' before Shepard was spaced.

This same logic applies to the ME2 LI's as well, there's no real explicit implication of a relationship. That might change in the gap between now and the trial, I don't know how that will play out.

I expect the VS will be hurt by Shepard moving on because of being in love with him/her, but personally I'll be annoyed if they get angry at Shepard for some perceived betrayal.

As much as I don't think this was cheating, I think the picure on your desk kind of implies that off camera more happened in the relationship.  There was at least 2 months from the end of ME1 to the begining of ME2 while you were on patrols etc, we don't see that time.  

[ThatDancingTurian]

Ahglock wrote...

As much as I don't think this was cheating, I think the picure on your desk kind of implies that off camera more happened in the relationship.  There was at least 2 months from the end of ME1 to the begining of ME2 while you were on patrols etc, we don't see that time. 

Possibly, possibly not. We can't know unless they state it in-game. I just get the feeling it didn't because of how Kaidan's letter talks so reverently about the night before Ilos and how 'maybe it meant as much to you'. He didn't say anything else about a relationship, just about that one night.

[Ice Cold J]

Gabey5 wrote...

well you were working with a terroist group.. their info on cerberus is all the crap they did in me1

If an alien race threated the entire world and the only way to save humanity was to team up with al-quaeda, I'd do it.

Slidell505 wrote...

Paragon Renegade check.

This. It'd be cool to see that come into play.

Nimrodell wrote...

I still don't get it why people call it cheating 'cause it's not... in order to cheat someone you actually have to be involved, together, and Kaidan/Ashley and Shepard are not together at that point of the story. Also, we could say that those two already cheated Shepard by not believing her/him... think tis more appropriate to say - if Shepard kept loving them, but cheating, just no. We don't know if Shepard actually fell in love with Garrus or Thane or Tali, Miranda... so if Shepard stays with them, then it's even less valid to call that act cheating.

This SOO MUCH.

At the point you get to Horizon, you're not REALLY in the middle of any relationship yet. Then Ash/Kaidan blow you off and later, Liara says she's too busy chasing data trails to help you save the universe.

If they were truly in love with Shep, they'd've dropped everything and joined up.

That being said, I still MIGHT take back Ash, depending on the circumstances. Liara, I might romance in LotSB, but I don't necessarily want to blow it with my potential ME2 LI's either.

Strangely enough, this is probably THE decision I worry about most (not the Collector Base or who the VS is).

[Ice Cold J]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

It's not cheating unless you reconcile with Liara and stay with your ME2 LI. Otherwise it's moving on.

But it's important to remember that ME3 will have sacrifices on a much greater scale than the first two, and there will probably be more casualties on-screen. Emotions are going to be strong, and someone might end up taking it out on someone else. Unless Shepard explains things to the love interests at the beginning, tensions may rise between the two, simply because they're easy targets. And as we learned from loyalty missions in ME2, you can't afford distractions.

Essentially while I do hope there's possible fallout from picking a new LI, I would hope it doesn't stem from picking a new LI in the first place. Shepard's poor job at justifying it, plus added stress from the mission would be to blame. I foresee a paragon/renegade check at some point.

This is great. Encompasses a lot of what I believe in.

[Hatchetman77]

I'm in a relationship with Ash even though I didn't romance her in the game.  I let her off gently by saying it wouldn't be good for the crew's morale if we did the deed, yet come ME2 her photo is on my desk and she's saying she "loved" me (past tense) when she was being a right **** on the colony.  Good thing I only nailed Kelly in ME2, since she doesn't count anyway. 

[Hatchetman77]

Black Raptor wrote...

we should have been able to reply to emails ala GTA4 with either a paragon or renegade reply.

I agree.

[Temaperacl]

This same logic applies to the ME2 LI's as well, there's no real explicit implication of a relationship. That might change in the gap between now and the trial, I don't know how that will play out.

While I agree with you in regards to the ME1 relationships, I'm not so sure about the ME2 ones. I can't speak for all of the relationships, but some of the relationships (Jack and to some extent Tali come to mind) are approached in such a way as to heavily imply that there is the expectation (at least on the LI side) of something longer-term in it. 

That sets the expectations. As far as the reality for between ME2 and ME3, since (I believe) you can break it off after the SM, it seems reasonable to assume that if Shepard doesn't do that, the relationship indeed does continue.  The only other way I see that it could be done is to have some sort of "opening scenes" or flashbacks near the start of the game if you had an LI where you could play it out if you wanted to break up with them.

Ice Cold J wrote...
If they were truly in love with Shep, they'd've dropped everything and joined up.

This I disagree with - They were soldiers with commitments.  In addition, they had just encountered someone who was "dead" for 2 years and was now working with a Terrorist organization. I can easily see how they could be confused and react with anger if Shepard proposes them going AWOL to join up.
Even if the situation had not been so strange, I could see alot of soul searching before (or after) making a decision like that..

[ThatDancingTurian]

Temaperacl wrote...

This same logic applies to the ME2 LI's as well, there's no real explicit implication of a relationship. That might change in the gap between now and the trial, I don't know how that will play out.

While I agree with you in regards to the ME1 relationships, I'm not so sure about the ME2 ones. I can't speak for all of the relationships, but some of the relationships (Jack and to some extent Tali come to mind) are approached in such a way as to heavily imply that there is the expectation (at least on the LI side) of something longer-term in it. 

That sets the expectations. As far as the reality for between ME2 and ME3, since (I believe) you can break it off after the SM, it seems reasonable to assume that if Shepard doesn't do that, the relationship indeed does continue.  The only other way I see that it could be done is to have some sort of "opening scenes" or flashbacks near the start of the game if you had an LI where you could play it out if you wanted to break up with them.

The ME2 relationships are more varied in terms of how serious they are than the ME1 romances, which all followed a very similar arc. But with the trial there's room for another extenuating circumstance that might put taking the next step with your ME2 LI on hold, just as getting spaced and 'dying' did so for the first romance.

Personally, I think the relationships in ME2 will be put into some kind of limbo so that the player will have less pressure to choose them, putting them on the same footing as the ME1 LI. I would personally rather that didn't happen, but I'm going ahead and expecting it.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 14 mai 2011 - 02:27 .