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[Antivenger]

Seboist wrote...

She's been killing people through sex for hundreds of years and finally seeing someone actually survive it would surprise the hell out of her to say the least. It'd be like the sun rising from the west all of a sudden.

Why would it? Liara told Shepard in LotSB that Asari have an.. 'azure', down there. Whether this is the porch or the backdoor is still yet to be determined, but I'm guessing they don't have to join nervous systems to fornicate.

[crimzontearz]

Antivenger wrote...

Seboist wrote...

She's been killing people through sex for hundreds of years and finally seeing someone actually survive it would surprise the hell out of her to say the least. It'd be like the sun rising from the west all of a sudden.

Why would it? Liara told Shepard in LotSB that Asari have an.. 'azure', down there. Whether this is the porch or the backdoor is still yet to be determined, but I'm guessing they don't have to join nervous systems to fornicate.

I still think it's the spot Shepard presses when he is in the cabin with Liara at the end of LOTSB

still, I'm sure people mean the joining not just sex

[Dean_the_Young]

Antivenger wrote...

Seboist wrote...

She's been killing people through sex for hundreds of years and finally seeing someone actually survive it would surprise the hell out of her to say the least. It'd be like the sun rising from the west all of a sudden.

Why would it? Liara told Shepard in LotSB that Asari have an.. 'azure', down there. Whether this is the porch or the backdoor is still yet to be determined, but I'm guessing they don't have to join nervous systems to fornicate.

Why assume they have two different holes at all? It's not like Asari have sex organs analogous to human ones.

[Seboist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Seboist wrote...

She's been killing people through sex for hundreds of years and finally seeing someone actually survive it would surprise the hell out of her to say the least. It'd be like the sun rising from the west all of a sudden.

Why would it? Liara told Shepard in LotSB that Asari have an.. 'azure', down there. Whether this is the porch or the backdoor is still yet to be determined, but I'm guessing they don't have to join nervous systems to fornicate.

Why assume they have two different holes at all? It's not like Asari have sex organs analogous to human ones.

Asari prolly only have one hole for both their excretions much like birds. *shudders*

[celuloid]

Well, lets get back to the point of this thread.

If you read Retribution, TIM possesses advanced Reaper tech. Most probably he acquired it from Collector base, which means "Keep the Base" storyline is now considered canon just as "Dead Council" is. This hopefully means what I am about to write only applies to "Keep the Base" storyline and we get radically different story for the other choice.

As we know from Retribution, TIM used Grayson as first test subject for study of creating Reaper avatar. I guess TIM will be trying to reaperify Shepard and turn him into some ultimate anti-Reaper super-weapon. Of course it would involve certain sacrifices on Shepard's part he might be willing to take only as a last resort.
This would also explain why Cerberus personnel on screenshots have those electroshock weapons - to get Shepard alive. I do not remember Bioware ever saying what exactly Cerberus wants with Shepard (kill/apprehend/stop), so anything is possible.

I think Cerberus working with Reapers, as stated in PC Gamer, is obviously total BS. It would simply make the whole ME2 plot nonsensical. In addition, Chris Priestly jumped into that thread and reminded everyone that only direct quotations from devs are relevant. Chris is rep of Bioware who is not allowed to directly confirm or deny anything about ME3 development, that means if he engaged in that debate, PC Gamer info must be BS.

And I hope the storyline with "Destroyed Base" will be really different, e.g. Cerberus will be simply another ally fighting the Reapers.

[kaiki01]

Bad King wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Seboist wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

Human domiance = Anti-alien.

To control another race is to deny them liberty. That seems anti-alien. Unless self-determination is optional. >_>

Dominance doesn't necessarily mean controling them. It can just mean having the most sway via wealth and military power.The Council for instance with it's Turian muscle has dominance over all the non-council species in it's space.

This. Technically the U.S is the dominant power in the world (at the moment), this doesn't mean that they're anti everyone else. We have absolutely no evidence to prove whether TIM does or doesn't want to control other races. So saying that he is planning on this is a baseless claim.

If you want to get into how the US has undermined other countries, for its own benefit, for the past 60 years, I am ready to go. But, it is a red herring. There is evidence that TIM wants to control other races. Experimenting on alien races, as has been pointed out on this thread. All the experiments in creating biological weapons in ME 1. "human nationalist focused on advancing human interests, whatever the cost to non-human" & " warned that an alien attempt at human genocide was inevitable" - from the Codex. No, he is a real boy scout.

I'm not denying that the U.S has undermined many other countries for its own benefit but what I was trying to say was that they are not ruling over every other country's governments, Same could be true with Cerberus- they have done a few unethical experiments to undermine other races so that humanity has a competitive edge in the galaxy, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they will rule over the other races' governments and oppress them. And making Bio-weapons in ME1 could just have easily been to protect humans rather than attack and oppress other races- as Miranda said, had Cerberus used Rachni at Eden Prime, many lives could have been saved.

Control doesnt mean rule. Control, in this context, can mean directing the course of events for alien species. Systematicly undermining Asari biotics for example. That is not a competitive edge, that is a controlling edge. TIM does not want humanity to compete with aliens over who has the best tech, biotics or medicine. He wants to ensure that humanity is in a posistion where who is the best doesnt matter. Only that humanity is holding the reigns.

Using bio-weapons to protect is merely a possibility. We will never know if Cerberus could even weaponize the Rachni. What we do know is they were conducting un-ethical experiments on a sentient race that if the circumstances were different (Cerberus was a government or de facto authority and the Rachni were humans) would be considered a crime against humanity.

[Clonedzero]

yeah, i dont like the idea of them going from side quest bad guy mooks, to a morally grey bad guys doign good stuff in ME2, to going back to pure super evil bad guys. thats really weak.

i'd prefer them to be that extreme ethically horrible but still going for great results type thing. like blowing up a small colony full of innocents to take out an invading reaper type group rather than the evil mooks who wanna kill you thing.

[kaiki01]

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, i dont like the idea of them going from side quest bad guy mooks, to a morally grey bad guys doign good stuff in ME2, to going back to pure super evil bad guys. thats really weak.

i'd prefer them to be that extreme ethically horrible but still going for great results type thing. like blowing up a small colony full of innocents to take out an invading reaper type group rather than the evil mooks who wanna kill you thing.

What if they wanna kill you to get results?

[Antivenger]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Seboist wrote...

She's been killing people through sex for hundreds of years and finally seeing someone actually survive it would surprise the hell out of her to say the least. It'd be like the sun rising from the west all of a sudden.

Why would it? Liara told Shepard in LotSB that Asari have an.. 'azure', down there. Whether this is the porch or the backdoor is still yet to be determined, but I'm guessing they don't have to join nervous systems to fornicate.

Why assume they have two different holes at all? It's not like Asari have sex organs analogous to human ones.

That's what I meant. The Asari might not even have to excrete at all though, judging by the lack of puddles under Liara on Therum.



:happy:

Modifié par Antivenger, 08 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[Blastback]

celuloid wrote...

Well, lets get back to the point of this thread.

If you read Retribution, TIM possesses advanced Reaper tech. Most probably he acquired it from Collector base, which means "Keep the Base" storyline is now considered canon just as "Dead Council" is. This hopefully means what I am about to write only applies to "Keep the Base" storyline and we get radically different story for the other choice.

As we know from Retribution, TIM used Grayson as first test subject for study of creating Reaper avatar. I guess TIM will be trying to reaperify Shepard and turn him into some ultimate anti-Reaper super-weapon. Of course it would involve certain sacrifices on Shepard's part he might be willing to take only as a last resort.
This would also explain why Cerberus personnel on screenshots have those electroshock weapons - to get Shepard alive. I do not remember Bioware ever saying what exactly Cerberus wants with Shepard (kill/apprehend/stop), so anything is possible.

I think Cerberus working with Reapers, as stated in PC Gamer, is obviously total BS. It would simply make the whole ME2 plot nonsensical. In addition, Chris Priestly jumped into that thread and reminded everyone that only direct quotations from devs are relevant. Chris is rep of Bioware who is not allowed to directly confirm or deny anything about ME3 development, that means if he engaged in that debate, PC Gamer info must be BS.

And I hope the storyline with "Destroyed Base" will be really different, e.g. Cerberus will be simply another ally fighting the Reapers.

I'm thinking that Cerberus' experiments with Reaper tech might lead to TIM and others being indoctrinated. 

[Lapis Lazuli]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

 There goes a good morality choice, I hope at least TIM is "grey".

Actually, black and white has become the creative choice these days. Grey has been done to death. Quentin Tarantino has been cool for nearly 30 years, put why does Bioware need to retread Pulp Fiction?

[Dean_the_Young]

Antivenger wrote...

 That's what I meant. The Asari might not even have to excrete at all though, judging by the lack of puddles under Liara on Therum.



:happy:

Hey, sweat is pretty much already diluted urine...

[Evercrow]

Seboist wrote...

Asari prolly only have one hole for both their excretions much like birds. *shudders*

Loled Especially when I imagine that vorcha said that.

Sorry. Back on topic.

Thompson family wrote...

Anyway, forgive me as I repeat the old challenge:

Somebody
give me a plausible theory on why Cerberus would be trying to kill
Shep, who is trying to rally a multi-species counter attack, and how
humanity would have better odds against the Reapers all by themselves. 
There have been a couple of tries, but I'm not close to convinced.

Okay,I''ll give a shot, because I've seen many of mine ignored, I'll give a hand to fellow resident.But I can see why it was ignored  - logical answer to "Why TIM intentionally undermine the only  one who  actually have a shot of saving Earth" is kinda non-existant, other than indoctrination

Setting aside possible events such as indoctrination, or TIM willing to surrender and cooperate with Reapers Saren-style(the same thing, basically), which would be completely boring, imagine if there actually a way to help Earth much faster than this supposed allied fleet.
Look at the trailer - "millions dead by the end of the first week", and we don't know if it's Earth-wide, or just for one city. I imagine, there will be some factors in play that would slow down the invasion, and TIM making a deal with Reapers is not worst one in terms of logic.
Without this,I can't imagine earth being something other, than a wasteland with towers of "batteries,spending their day computing Pi"©Joker, matrix-style, by the time Shepard actually gather enough allies.So for now Cerberus is only known possible factor to severely slow down assimilation of civillian population.

(now, more far-fetched theories)
You can add to that a possible use of Shepard as reverse avatar for human reapers(Shepard is pumped full of reaper tech, after all), meaning that with him TIM could hijack any newly created Reapers and turn them on the creators. After all, reapers are sentient beings, there will be no suprise if newbies could be opposed to general motion.
Other theory is that TIM needs tech in Shepards body to create many more agents unsusceptible to the indoctrination, and he don't have time for another Lazarus project now, so using this tech would include Shepard's dissecting. I can understand Shepard not wanting to be captured, despite it's possible use against Reapers.

Thing is, Shepard may be "bloody icon", but if TIM have immediate use of Shepard against Reapers in some way, he will bet on that, rather than betting on vague hope that Shepard will pull through every alien local conflict and rally them fast enough to save Earth.

Btw, I'm not cerberus fan or anything, a just like my bad characters to have some good reasons behind their actions.

While indoctrinating wined at every instance so far, I still hope people will use their learning ability and actually invent some effective countermeasure for it(or at least detection methods). While being rather evil organization, Cerberus is still researched Reapers the most(especially if you give them CB), so it will make sense if TIM will be only one who have some good plan developed against them.

Hell,maybe "collecting pieces of puzzle" will be just about that - taking away from indoctrinated Cerberus their knowledge of reapers and pieces of anti-reaper tech.

Modifié par Evercrow, 08 mai 2011 - 05:32 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Frankly I like them being the evil organization they always were and being able to kick their asses again in ME3 TIM deserves that much.