Saphra Deden wrote...
Way to miss-characterize your opponents' arguments. I think it is motivated by insecurity on your part.
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lolwut666 wrote...
The fact that half of your posts consist of you patronizing others and/or claiming victory seems to suggest that you're the insecure, no life person who thinks a video game discussion is srs bsns.
Saphra Deden wrote...
Bad King wrote...
I always thought he was morally grey in that he is ruthless and has funded a lot of unethical experiments but in doing so hoped to save lives and strengthen humanity's place in the galaxy.
For a lot of people the journey is as important as the destination. Everyone is either good or they're bad. Plus, a lot of people think pro-human stances are evil as well. To them wanting to strengthen or empower humanity makes TIM evil without even needing all the nasty experiments.
mcsupersport wrote...
I still laugh at all the people that refuse to remember all the things they should have seen in ME1, the missions they should have seen in ME2, because of the propaganda told to them by Cerberus operatives. Gee, just forget that we kill kids, military personnel, colonies, and endanger the galaxy with illegal research into hybrid Human/AI intelligence, we are just misunderstood individuals who want to save the galaxy. Please remember we love everyone, ........well those we don't kill, but we love what we learn from them, and we loved them before they died too.
Evil is as Evil does, and you can't be good, while killing babies and enjoying it. Miranda, TIM, and Kelly sold you a bill of goods that Cerberus was just misunderstood and you bought it even after seeing what they DID. I hope that this is only happens in the game world, not in your real life, otherwise you are really scary people.
Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 07 mai 2011 - 06:21 .
Bad King wrote...
You do realise that if it wasn't for TIM, Miranda would have inserted a control chip into Shepard? And she supported the experiments on Thorian creepers and rachni (and in fact she made a valid point regarding them).
Moiaussi wrote...
Bad King wrote...
You do realise that if it wasn't for TIM, Miranda would have inserted a control chip into Shepard? And she supported the experiments on Thorian creepers and rachni (and in fact she made a valid point regarding them).
You realize the chip could still turn out to be there. It could still also just turn out to have been a line she and/or TIM came up with to make TIM seem more trustworthy.
Marionetten wrote...
On the contrary, it would give it a point. Renegade Shepard is supposed to be the effective and ruthless one whereas Paragon Shepard is supposed to be diplomatic and moralistic. As it stands, Paragon Shepard is diplomatic, moralistic and effective all in one. Renegade Shepard is merely ruthless for the sake of being ruthless. It's exceedingly stupid and makes most choices utterly meaningless.
I'd like to see a bit more equality here.
PsychoWARD23 wrote...
Moiaussi wrote...
Bad King wrote...
You do realise that if it wasn't for TIM, Miranda would have inserted a control chip into Shepard? And she supported the experiments on Thorian creepers and rachni (and in fact she made a valid point regarding them).
You realize the chip could still turn out to be there. It could still also just turn out to have been a line she and/or TIM came up with to make TIM seem more trustworthy.
Oh god, I hope that's not a twist. I would hate to have a control chip in Shepard.
If character suddenly becomes black and white and gose against all their previously established goals yes. “Bwhahahaha we are evil” is not a valid excuse. Not to mention we already have the reapers, we don’t need another black and white group,Turran wrote...
..Is it too much to just accept that in some situations there is just a black and white situation, or a black and white character.
Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 mai 2011 - 07:56 .
But renegades aren't immediately effective. They aren't effective on any level. Yes, renegades are all about preemptive action but when that always leads to being wrong the playstyle just isn't particularly meaningful.Moiaussi wrote...
That implies that paragons are supposed to be ineffective, which wouldn't be parity. How it really is supposed to work is that renegades are immediately effective, trying to avoid long term losses, and paragons are taking more short term risks in the hopes of longer term gains. Letting someone live now, they or their descendants might be useful later, but kill them now and you are safe from them and their descendants.
Both sides are gambling on the future.
Alienmorph wrote...
When a terroristic organization that p!sse off 1/2 of the alien species of the galaxy and did horrible experiments on childrens and youghblood soldiers has ever been "grey"?
Alienmorph wrote...
When a terroristic organization that p!sse off 1/2 of the alien species of the galaxy and did horrible experiments on childrens and youghblood soldiers has ever been "grey"?
Yeah, then when supporting one species as only ruler of the galaxy at
all costs, simply because it's your own one has become a good thing?
Alienmorph wrote...
Yeah, then when supporting one species as only ruler of the galaxy at all costs, simply because it's your own one has become a good thing?
Modifié par Alienmorph, 07 mai 2011 - 08:24 .
Modifié par Marionetten, 07 mai 2011 - 08:37 .
Marionetten wrote...
Most Cerberus supporters aren't that xenophobic as your crew in Mass Effect 2 made clear.
Whether they were handpicked or not is completely irrelevant. The fact is that they signed up voluntarily to serve on a Cerberus vessel. It also had more to do with their individual skillsets than making Shepard comfortable. If TIM's goal was to make Shepard comfortable he would have never installed EDI. I also never said there weren't xenophobes within the organization. My point is that the organization has plenty of backing from people who are simply concerned for their own rather than wanting to experiment on the closest alien. Neglecting that and branding them all as evil xenophobes is a bit ironic.didymos1120 wrote...
Uh, actually, your crew didn't make that clear. Most of them were new hires handpicked by TIM, largely to make Shep comfortable. Talk to Miranda about Cerberus, however, and she'll complain that there are way too many who join out of "simple xenophobia". The novels contradict this "aren't that xenophobic" notion as well.
A lot of them routinely comment on how Cerberus is doing the right thing by going out there and actually accomplishing something. They view the Alliance as far too ineffective in this regard.Alienmorph wrote...
Most of the crew is aboard because of Shepard, more than because they believe in Cerberus' ideals.
Modifié par Marionetten, 07 mai 2011 - 08:59 .
Alienmorph wrote...
"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"
That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."
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