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[didymos1120]

Marionetten wrote...

 Neglecting that and branding them all as evil xenophobes is a bit ironic.

Please point out where I said that. 

[Seboist]

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

[PrinceLionheart]

Marionetten wrote...

A lot of them routinely comment on how Cerberus is doing the right thing by going out there and actually accomplishing something. They view the Alliance as far too ineffective in this regard.

False, the only one crew members who out right criticize the Alliance are Jacob and Miranda (no surprise there) and Zaeed. Everyone else don't offer an opinion. By the end of the game, almost all the crew (save for Garrus) actually criticize Shepard for giving the Reaper Base to TIM. So no, they don't trust Cerberus.

[Torhagen]

I still hope that in ME3 your previous Decision matter and that Cerberus if influenced by this like when my Renegade didnt blow up the Base and such minor matters

[kaiki01]

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

Human domiance = Anti-alien.

To control another race is to deny them liberty. That seems anti-alien. Unless self-determination is optional. >_>

[Seboist]

kaiki01 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

Human domiance = Anti-alien.

To control another race is to deny them liberty. That seems anti-alien. Unless self-determination is optional. >_>

Dominance doesn't necessarily mean controling them. It can just mean having the most sway via wealth and military power.The Council for instance with it's Turian muscle has dominance over all the non-council species in it's space.

[Marionetten]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

False, the only one crew members who out right criticize the Alliance are Jacob and Miranda (no surprise there) and Zaeed. Everyone else don't offer an opinion. By the end of the game, almost all the crew (save for Garrus) actually criticize Shepard for giving the Reaper Base to TIM. So no, they don't trust Cerberus.

It has more to do with not trusting TIM and his intentions. Especially so in Miranda's case. That said, his intentions have yet to be fully revealed. Obviously, I'm hoping that BioWare won't just write him as some cheesy two bit villain out for power. And I suggest you replay the game and pay attention to the chatter between the other crew members. Also, Kelly specifically states that she doesn't hate aliens and she's the most xenophobic person on the ship by far. Hell, Ashley was more xenophobic and she was part of the Alliance.

[kaiki01]

Seboist wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

Human domiance = Anti-alien.

To control another race is to deny them liberty. That seems anti-alien. Unless self-determination is optional. >_>

Dominance doesn't necessarily mean controling them. It can just mean having the most sway via wealth and military power.The Council for instance with it's Turian muscle has dominance over all the non-council species in it's space.

In this context it does mean control. Unless TIM was refering to having sway over the Reapers.

Modifié par kaiki01, 07 mai 2011 - 09:26 .

[Thompson family]

Seboist wrote...

Shepard was the one who went out of his way to attack them in ME1. They were never a sworn enemy of his.

This whole ME3 situation is just pure bull****.

My Shep’s a sole survivor. He did an admiral a favor and went looking for a missing Marine unit. He found a lot of dead Marines — who had been baited into a Thresher Maw trap.

Guess what his reaction was.

========

Anyway, forgive me as I repeat the old challenge:

Somebody give me a plausible theory on why Cerberus would be trying to kill Shep, who is trying to rally a multi-species counter attack, and how humanity would have better odds against the Reapers all by themselves.  There have been a couple of tries, but I'm not close to convinced.

Modifié par Thompson family, 07 mai 2011 - 09:36 .

[Alienmorph]

Being willingly to enstablish an hegemonic control of the galaxy, using dangerous tecnhology for achieve it, sounds enough bad for me. Even if it doesn't have any direct xenophobic implications. The story teachs that every time that a single faction showed some kind of interest in ruling all the others without compromises, something sooner or later had gone bad.

[PrinceLionheart]

Marionetten wrote...
And I suggest you replay the game and pay attention to the chatter between the other crew members.

Yeah, TIM specifically picks specific crew members to work with Shepard. But on the same note, Miranda mentions there's too many anti-alien members in Cerberus, so while the specific branch you work for may be good, it doesn't represent Cerberus as a whole.

[Marionetten]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Yeah, TIM specifically picks specific crew members to work with Shepard. But on the same note, Miranda mentions there's too many anti-alien members in Cerberus, so while the specific branch you work for may be good, it doesn't represent Cerberus as a whole.

No argument there. Cerberus is definitely in the gray zone as an organization. It does a lot of evil but it also does some good and that's what I liked about it. TIM felt like a believable character with an actual cause. Even if I didn't necessarily agree with him I could still understand his perspective. For him to be turned into some Reaper cronie... well, it just doesn't sit well with me. The guy should know better.

Modifié par Marionetten, 07 mai 2011 - 09:45 .

[RunicDragons]

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Wow... Why should humanity come first? 

And what Kaidan said: This!

[PrinceLionheart]

Marionetten wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Yeah, TIM specifically picks specific crew members to work with Shepard. But on the same note, Miranda mentions there's too many anti-alien members in Cerberus, so while the specific branch you work for may be good, it doesn't represent Cerberus as a whole.

No argument there. Cerberus is definitely in the gray zone as an organization. It does a lot of evil but it also does some good and that's what I liked about it. TIM felt like a believable character with an actual cause. Even if I didn't necessarily agree with him I could still understand his perspective. For him to be turned into some Reaper cronie... well, it just doesn't sit well with me. The guy should know better.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't want the Illusive man to turn into some Mustache Curling villain. I don't even think Cerberus is inherently evil either. I just don't give them the base myself just because they have such a poor track record with their members going AWOL. Save for the stopping the collectors, every good contribution you hear about them is second hand from Miranda.

[Bad King]

Seboist wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

Human domiance = Anti-alien.

To control another race is to deny them liberty. That seems anti-alien. Unless self-determination is optional. >_>

Dominance doesn't necessarily mean controling them. It can just mean having the most sway via wealth and military power.The Council for instance with it's Turian muscle has dominance over all the non-council species in it's space.

This. Technically the U.S is the dominant power in the world (at the moment), this doesn't mean that they're anti everyone else. We have absolutely no evidence to prove whether TIM does or doesn't want to control other races. So saying that he is planning on this is a baseless claim.

Modifié par Bad King, 07 mai 2011 - 10:06 .

[ExtremeOne]

Seboist wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Human dominance =/= Anti-alien.

   


hell yeah its Humans first . If aliens invaded this planet I can bet you they would not be our friends . Bioware is just ass kissing the people who whinned like cry babies about Cerberus in the second game . Bioware can tell their sh**ty ass story in 3 and turn what could have been a very interesting character into a pathetic retelling of Saren .  all they want but I am still going to be pro human even in 3 . 

[ExtremeOne]

RunicDragons wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

"The Collector's tecnology could have assured the HUMAN DOMINANCE against the Reapers and beyond!"

That sounds a little different from "We don't hate aliens, but humanity comes first."
I'm more of the Kaidan's advice (God bless his nuclearized bones): "Aliens are not different, they have heroes and bastards exactly as us."

Wow... Why should humanity come first? 

And what Kaidan said: This!

   



we are the  dominate race here on this planet .  

[Alienmorph]

And now aren't you whining as well because you're on the "wrong" side of the fanbase?

[ExtremeOne]

mrsph wrote...

Bad King wrote...
This. Technically the U.S is the dominant power in the world (at the moment), this doesn't mean that they're anti everyone else. We have absolutely no evidence to prove whether TIM does or doesn't want to control other races. So saying that he is planning on this is a baseless claim.

There is that whole drugging asari to weaken their biotic powers thing.  


Oh please cry me a river you anti Cerberus fans come with anything to defend Bioware and their garbage 

[KotorEffect3]

ExtremeOne wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Bad King wrote...
This. Technically the U.S is the dominant power in the world (at the moment), this doesn't mean that they're anti everyone else. We have absolutely no evidence to prove whether TIM does or doesn't want to control other races. So saying that he is planning on this is a baseless claim.

There is that whole drugging asari to weaken their biotic powers thing.  


Oh please cry me a river you anti Cerberus fans come with anything to defend Bioware and their garbage 

Someone with an overinflated sense of entitlement sounds a little pissy because they are not getting their way.

[ExtremeOne]

Alienmorph wrote...

And now aren't you whining as well because you're on the "wrong" side of the fanbase?

  


I am not a alliance ass kissing fanboy and I am proud of that . at least in ME 3 I am going to be most ruthless renegade that pathetic piece of crap hackett ever saw. so those clowns will need a 2 nd trail for my shpeard

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

Uhhh...

TIM is one of my favorite characters. I just don't agree with his methods. You can like a character and hate everything they stand for, you know.

Indeed.  That's the mark of an awesome "bad guy," I should say.

And I basically disagree with all my favorite characters on nearly everything anyway.