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[Last Vizard]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

I am so glad some of you guys aren't in important positions of power. "Oh, my hometown got destroyed so everyone else can suck it and get facerolled by the Reapers"

So true, maybe some people feel disconnected from the rest of us/Earth due to "events" when they were at school.  Earth is our birth place, its Humanity's mother and if she dies then i'll burn the galaxy to avenge her.

Thats just my opinion though, so don't go spreading it around.

[Chuvvy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If Earth is lost then I have no interest in saving the aliens home worlds in 3

Meh. Humanity is the most backwater racist and uninteresting race in Mass Effect, anyway.

Batarians.

[ExtremeOne]

crimzontearz wrote...

lol the GI article already said the battle for earth is lost once it begins. The trailer at E3 sais several billion people are already dead and more hundreds of thousands are dying by the day

Face it Earth is lost in ME3

    


so Earth is lost well the aliens home worlds will be lost as well humnaity will have its revenge and My Shepard will see to it that aliens like the salarians and asari suffer and feel the pain of us humans losing our home planet 

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

lol the GI article already said the battle for earth is lost once it begins. The trailer at E3 sais several billion people are already dead and more hundreds of thousands are dying by the day

Face it Earth is lost in ME3

Yes, we know Earth gets kicked in the nuts.  It's not about Earth getting occupied, it's about saving Earth "while there's still something left to save".

If that's not part of the story, then Bioware can face it: they won't get my money.

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

lol the GI article already said the battle for earth is lost once it begins. The trailer at E3 sais several billion people are already dead and more hundreds of thousands are dying by the day

Face it Earth is lost in ME3

The only trailer I've seen said 9 million were dead in the first week.  Link to this new trailer, please.

[didymos1120]

crimzontearz wrote...

lol the GI article already said the battle for earth is lost once it begins. The trailer at E3 sais several billion people are already dead and more hundreds of thousands are dying by the day

Face it Earth is lost in ME3

That's amazing!  You've traveled into the future!  What it's like in June?  Were there flying cars and jetpacks?

[Cosmar]

All the articles pretty much say Earth is lost, and you have to try and retake it. You're forced by the Reapers to leave Earth and try and come back later, at which time most of it will be a smoldering ruin anyway. In any war there will be sacrifice, especially in a war of galactic scale.

And besides, what gives humans the right to come out of this trial without any permanent losses, when the Protheans were completely wiped out and then genetically repurposed, the Drell homeworld died and they had to move to a new world and work for the hanar, and the krogan have to live on a nuclear-blasted piece of crap rock, and the quarians had to flee their world and live in space for centuries?

I'm kind of expecting/hoping that the final decision of the game is the ultimate paragon/renegade choice: sacrifice Earth to save the rest of the galaxy, or let everyone else burn and die so that Earth can be spared?

And I mean really, even if Earth ends up destroyed, it's not that bad. there are dozens of human colony worlds that would be just as nice to live on as Earth, like Horizon or Eden Prime.

[Shibby Razel]

282xvl wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If Earth is lost then I have no interest in saving the aliens home worlds in 3

THIS. Not going to fight for survival of a galactic civilization where myself and mine are reduced to quarian vagrant status or worse. That said, I am CONFIDENT there will be a renegade option that ensures human supremacy (and probably a paragon/neutral option that at least doesn't leave completely screwed) so I think it will be OK.

From the trailer's little quip about only, what was it 7 million? dead in the intial invasion that to me suggests the Reapers didn't slam Earth with cee-fractional velocity kinetic impactors like they easily could have... so perhaps the "lost" Earth is more "occupied" than destroyed. Genocide of a planet is exceptionally easy from space if that is your objective. Since it wasn't done immediately I assume it is not.

Razel Shepard is totally okay with moving in with Tali if Earth is lost....I'm just saying

[Last Vizard]

Cosmar wrote...

All the articles pretty much say Earth is lost, and you have to try and retake it. You're forced by the Reapers to leave Earth and try and come back later, at which time most of it will be a smoldering ruin anyway. In any war there will be sacrifice, especially in a war of galactic scale.

And besides, what gives humans the right to come out of this trial without any permanent losses, when the Protheans were completely wiped out and then genetically repurposed, the Drell homeworld died and they had to move to a new world and work for the hanar, and the krogan have to live on a nuclear-blasted piece of crap rock, and the quarians had to flee their world and live in space for centuries?

I'm kind of expecting/hoping that the final decision of the game is the ultimate paragon/renegade choice: sacrifice Earth to save the rest of the galaxy, or let everyone else burn and die so that Earth can be spared?

And I mean really, even if Earth ends up destroyed, it's not that bad. there are dozens of human colony worlds that would be just as nice to live on as Earth, like Horizon or Eden Prime.

hahahahahaha, its game over mate...
1. hello Batarian/Alien dominance of Mankind. (treatment of Quarians by council races shows how they treat near destroyed races) - watch as the Allies walk away after Reaper attack
2. yeah just as nice as Earth... too bad those worlds will be raped and pillaged by Pirates/Slavers (Alliance fleets need to be maintained/upgraded to stay in the loop... without Earth Industries and consumer base for raw materials those Colonies provide)...
3. Why do you hate your own race?

[omgodzilla]

I hope its as dark as Battlestar Galactica.

[VolusNamedBob]

I like that they're taking this route, maybe a way for the player to feel the weight of the galaxy on their shoulders.

[crimzontearz]

wooooooops

sorry I was VERY tired

2 things

1: meant millions not billions
2: E3 = spike awards (or was it TGS?..whatever one of the two)

regardless

I honestly hope at this point Earth blows up or something so HOPEFULLY Extremeone will stop posting on this forum

[jamesp81]

Cosmar wrote...

All the articles pretty much say Earth is lost, and you have to try and retake it. You're forced by the Reapers to leave Earth and try and come back later, at which time most of it will be a smoldering ruin anyway. In any war there will be sacrifice, especially in a war of galactic scale.

And besides, what gives humans the right to come out of this trial without any permanent losses, when the Protheans were completely wiped out and then genetically repurposed, the Drell homeworld died and they had to move to a new world and work for the hanar, and the krogan have to live on a nuclear-blasted piece of crap rock, and the quarians had to flee their world and live in space for centuries?

I'm kind of expecting/hoping that the final decision of the game is the ultimate paragon/renegade choice: sacrifice Earth to save the rest of the galaxy, or let everyone else burn and die so that Earth can be spared?

And I mean really, even if Earth ends up destroyed, it's not that bad. there are dozens of human colony worlds that would be just as nice to live on as Earth, like Horizon or Eden Prime.

This has been discussed at length.

I'm not going to re type all the arguments so I'll condense it for you:

The complete destruction of Earth has one of two realistic outcomes for humanity.  1) The other colonies will be enslaved by terminus systems thugs or 2) total extinction.

99.7% or so of the human race lives on Earth in Mass Effect.  This is not an exagerrated figure; it truly is more than 99%.  The destruction of Earth almost certainly gurantees enslavement for the tiny bit of humanity that remains, the loss of humanity's council seat, and an existence possibly worse than that of the Quarians.  Conquest by the Batarians is also a real possibility.

Given those circumstances, I think fighting to the last man, woman, and child to preserve Earth is an imminently reasonable course of action.

I also refuse to spend my money on any entertainment that is based on the "Humans Are Bastards" trope.

[jamesp81]

omgodzilla wrote...

I hope its as dark as Battlestar Galactica.

BSG sucked.  It started out great and turned into Failtaculous Maximus.  I'd prefer Bioware avoids this sort of fail story telling.

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

wooooooops

sorry I was VERY tired

2 things

1: meant millions not billions
2: E3 = spike awards (or was it TGS?..whatever one of the two)

regardless

I honestly hope at this point Earth blows up or something so HOPEFULLY Extremeone will stop posting on this forum

Alright, let's do a number crunch.  Trailer says 9 million dead the first week.  Let's round it off to 10 million to make the math easier.  Earth population in ME is 11.4 billion.  Assuming you kill about 10 million a week, it would literally take 21.4 years to kill everyone on Earth.

Now, I expect weekly death counts to rise as more and more people are indoctrinated.  Unless Bioware changes the numbers up a bit, it appears 'reaping' is quite a slow process.  I guesstimate that, realistically, for the Alliance to be able to defend itself after the Reaper War is over, you'd need around half of Earth's population to survive. Given how slow the Reapers are apparently going about reaping, this goal should be attainable.

In other words, it should be attainable to retake a bit more than a smoking chunk of rock.  At least it better be, or I'm done with ME and Bioware.  I expect the grim, 'oh God we've lost everything', corrupt all that is good, hipster worthless-assed storytelling from companies like Blizzard.  I would rather hope Bioware is a bit smarter than that.

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

wooooooops

sorry I was VERY tired

2 things

1: meant millions not billions
2: E3 = spike awards (or was it TGS?..whatever one of the two)

regardless

I honestly hope at this point Earth blows up or something so HOPEFULLY Extremeone will stop posting on this forum

I don't agree with the reasons for his position, but I share parts of it.  Shepard is a human, and an Alliance soldier.  His first duty is to his people.  If other races have to suffer along on their own while he saves his own race's homeworld, then that's the way it's going to have to be.

[omgodzilla]

jamesp81 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I hope its as dark as Battlestar Galactica.

BSG sucked.  It started out great and turned into Failtaculous Maximus.  I'd prefer Bioware avoids this sort of fail story telling.

No

[Spectreshadow]

Don't forget Earth is the first stop for the Reapers as the Sol system is the closest to their entry point.

[jamesp81]

omgodzilla wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I hope its as dark as Battlestar Galactica.

BSG sucked.  It started out great and turned into Failtaculous Maximus.  I'd prefer Bioware avoids this sort of fail story telling.

No

It had one of the ****tiest, unfulfilling series endings I can think of.

[Aggie Punbot]

jamesp81 wrote...


I don't agree with the reasons for his position, but I share parts of it.  Shepard is a human, and an Alliance soldier.  His first duty is to his people.  If other races have to suffer along on their own while he saves his own race's homeworld, then that's the way it's going to have to be.

I agree with this 100%. My Shepard is absolutely not going to allow Earth to be sacrificed 'for the good of the galaxy', particularly when s/he's seen how smaller populated races like the quarians are treated. My Shepards will all rage against the dying of the light, damn it.

[crimzontearz]

jamesp81 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
wooooooops

sorry I was VERY tired

2 things

1: meant millions not billions
2: E3 = spike awards (or was it TGS?..whatever one of the two)

regardless

I honestly hope at this point Earth blows up or something so HOPEFULLY Extremeone will stop posting on this forum

I don't agree with the reasons for his position, but I share parts of it.  Shepard is a human, and an Alliance soldier.  His first duty is to his people.  If other races have to suffer along on their own while he saves his own race's homeworld, then that's the way it's going to have to be.

There is a difference between saying "well if a salarian colony and a human colony are about to be destroyed I'm gonna go ahead and help the humans first" and "well if earth is lost I'm gonna let everyone die or I'm not even gonna buy the game because Bioware wrote something I do not like"

So I do hope Earth is lost and Maybe I won't have to read his enraged gibberish anymore

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
wooooooops

sorry I was VERY tired

2 things

1: meant millions not billions
2: E3 = spike awards (or was it TGS?..whatever one of the two)

regardless

I honestly hope at this point Earth blows up or something so HOPEFULLY Extremeone will stop posting on this forum

I don't agree with the reasons for his position, but I share parts of it.  Shepard is a human, and an Alliance soldier.  His first duty is to his people.  If other races have to suffer along on their own while he saves his own race's homeworld, then that's the way it's going to have to be.

There is a difference between saying "well if a salarian colony and a human colony are about to be destroyed I'm gonna go ahead and help the humans first" and "well if earth is lost I'm gonna let everyone die or I'm not even gonna buy the game because Bioware wrote something I do not like"

So I do hope Earth is lost and Maybe I won't have to read his enraged gibberish anymore

Oh no, I definitely won't be buying the game is Earth is lost.  I didn't play dozens of hours of ME1 and ME2 so that I could simply fall down and die at the 1 yard line in the final installment.

Modifié par jamesp81, 09 mai 2011 - 01:27 .

[crimzontearz]

also...can someone provide a lore link where it is specfified 99% of humans live on earth?

[jamesp81]

crimzontearz wrote...

also...can someone provide a lore link where it is specfified 99% of humans live on earth?

You'll have to read the Codex entries on known human colonies and do a little bit of math.

I can give you a quick and dirty example though.

Earth's three largest and oldest colonies are Bekenstein, Terra Nova, and Eden Prime.  These three planets have a combined population of 13.5 million.  Earth's three largest, oldest, most populous colonies literally account for 0.11% of the human population.

The Alliance's other colonies besides these have populations measured in the tens of thousands, with a few measured in hundreds of thousands.  The Codex says that the Alliance has "a dozen settled worlds" plus smaller outposts.  This isn't a hard figure, and I'm kind of the opinion that a "settled world" means an established colony.  I suspect there are more start-up colonies being set up all the time.

Even if you postulate that Earth has 50 colonies, each with a population of 4 million, that's still only 200 million people, which would account for a population 1.75% of that of Earth.  The Alliance, however, does not have 50 colonies with populations of 4 million each.  They have three known worlds for sure with populations over three million.  The rest are small outpost worlds that haven't grown much and still have populations measuring in the thousands or, in a few cases, hundreds of thousands.

Even the most optimistic estimate you can make from the Codex will tell you that almost all of the human population is concentrated on Earth.

The complete destruction of Earth in ME3 means the death of at least 98% of the human race; the real figure is almost certainly higher.  Unless Bioware, of course, does a massive retcon of human colonization and says that the older colonies have populations in the hundreds of millions or billions.

Modifié par jamesp81, 09 mai 2011 - 01:41 .