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[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If you were that concerned about Garrus' "crazy" then you wouldn't put him in that situation in the first place. Keep him away from the Citadel and let him cool off. He will, in time. Contrary to conventional wisdom releasing your anger doesn't help and actually makes it worse.

Can't do it.

Must level up.

Must do all missions.

Upgrades.  Gotta get upgrades.

Can't skip quests.

Can't stop.

Must play it all.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes you can. It is the best way to get over it.

Garrus does not get over stuff.

[Golden Owl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

If you were that concerned about Garrus' "crazy" then you wouldn't put him in that situation in the first place. Keep him away from the Citadel and let him cool off. He will, in time. Contrary to conventional wisdom releasing your anger doesn't help and actually makes it worse.

Can't do it.

Must level up.

Must do all missions.

Upgrades.  Gotta get upgrades.

Can't skip quests.

Can't stop.

Must play it all.

LOL.......Perfectly said...

[Seboist]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

If you were that concerned about Garrus' "crazy" then you wouldn't put him in that situation in the first place. Keep him away from the Citadel and let him cool off. He will, in time. Contrary to conventional wisdom releasing your anger doesn't help and actually makes it worse.

Can't do it.

Must level up.

Must do all missions.

Upgrades.  Gotta get upgrades.

Can't skip quests.

Can't stop.

Must play it all.

It's the same with me in ME1 too. I endure all the boring Mako trekking because of my OCD.

[Bugsie]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

They're two sides of the same coin. The only real difference is that Zaeed doesn't think he IS the law.

Well put. Zaeed is, in some ways, more professional than Garrus. For Garrus it is all a personal crusade. It's kind of disturbing if you put it your way.

I think the term 'professional' doesn't seems quite right in this instance.  'Clinical' might be more appropriate.  With Zaeed, his revenge is 20 years old, enough for it to become an everyday part of his thinking, an everyday thought - like having to get dressed.  With Garrus it's more recent and he's hotheaded about it.  As far as I see it they are both 'personal crusades' just seperated in time.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If you were that concerned about Garrus' "crazy" then you wouldn't put him in that situation in the first place. Keep him away from the Citadel and let him cool off. He will, in time. Contrary to conventional wisdom releasing your anger doesn't help and actually makes it worse.

Someone's never read the Count of Monte Cristo.

Sometimes having a few decades to focus on your revenge just transforms you utterly. You don't always cool off.

Also, if you do decide to read the Count of Monte Cristo, get the unabridged version. The other ones always leave the adorable french lesbians out.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Nimrodell]

And Garrus is real? lol I love this thread lol .

[AdmiralCheez]

^Word.

[Dave666]

Nimrodell wrote...

And Garrus is real? lol I love this thread lol .

Win! 

[Nimrodell]

And to help CGG on Dumas Monte Cristo example: this is one of the greatest influences on Dumas for making the character of Count -

The other influence for the story was the real life case of Francois Picaud. In 1807 Picaud was a young shoemaker who was engaged to marry Marguerite Vigoroux. Marguerite was good-looking and came with a dowry of 100,000 gold francs, so she was considered the most desirable girl in Marseilles. Picaud invited four men he that thought to be his friends to a cafe and told them of his coming marriage. One of the friends, Gilles Loupian, was secretly in love with Marguerite himself. He went to the authorities and accused Picaud of being an English spy, and he got the other three friends to go along with the story.

Picaud was completely innocent, but, none-the-less, he was secretly arrested and thrown into prison. He was not even told what crime he was charged with. Gilles Loupian and Marguerite Vigoroux were married shortly thereafter. During the seven years he spent in prison Picaud cared for an ill Italian priest. When the priest died he left Picaud his fortune which was hidden in Milan. When Picaud was freed in 1814 he began to travel under the assumed name, Joseph Lucher, and he started wearing numerous disguises. He spent the next ten years of his life seeking revenge against the men who had framed him.

So as a player bases his/hers decisions on real life, that's what happens very often in literature while making fiction... so the story about revenge there was actually taken from real life.

Modifié par Nimrodell, 08 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[Someone With Mass]

Then again, Garrus is neither real or human. Can't really expect him to react like a real normal guy would.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Garrus isn't real but his behavior should be realistic. Otherwise we can't identify with him very well. The fact is, the best way to overcome anger is to wait until it fades away. Acting out will just condition your brain to want to act out even more.

Where did you learn that? I studied psychology for a few years, and I always got the impression that it was better and healthier to confront your problems than to ignore them.

So you address the problem and then deal with the resulting emotions. Talk to a shrink about your betrayal, maybe even confront the person who wronged you, just don't let it end unproductively. If you never express your anger and shove it down into a tight little ball in the back of your mind, that's where the real psychological issues come from.

Sure, sniping someone isn't usually seen as a good way to calmly deal with your emotions, but I think that's rather old fashioned and shows human ethnocentricism, no? (Note: this is a humorous exaggeration)

And I find Edmond Dantes reactions fairly realistic, and incredibly easy to identify with - the main unrealistic part is the resources he has access to, and the sheer scale of his cleverness. One of the reasons great literature is considered great is that it attempts to potray. So if a video game character is as true to life, vivid, and memorable as Edmond Dantes, something is going very, very right in my estimation.

But again, maybe you didn't read it, or only read the abridged edition. May I ask, what do you consider unrealistic about the emotions behind the Count of Monte Cristo, rather than the circumstances? 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 mai 2011 - 10:11 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Where did you learn that?

Various sources and my own experience. Look it up.

I never said to ignore problems, I said not to act out. Garrus talking about Sidonis' betrayal isn't ignoring the problem and it isn't going on a risky killing spree on the Citadel.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

May I ask, what do you consider unrealistic about the emotions behind the Count of Monte Cristo, rather than the circumstances? 

I don't find it unrealistic, but he also nearly ruins himself and those he cares about, does he not?

Yes. That's my point, if you don't confront the problem in some manner right away, it'll stew. (I'm not going to spoil the ending of the book, seriously read it (most films do not capture it accurately. I am not being condescending here, it is the best book of that era, in my opinion, when judged in terms of sheer readability.)

If you can confront the thing that's upsetting you calmly, then you'll feel better about it. Now in most cases this is in the form of a letter, or a meeting of some kind, not a bullet to the head, but again, conventions must be adjusted for the setting. Because dealing with your anger in a calm, controlled way, but still facing up to it, is the best solution, a nice calm assassination might have done the job. But he clearly wasn't capable of not letting his anger leak out (Harkin, etc,) so we had to try a different technique, and hope that worked.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
True, but it is still probably safer to NOT take him on a shooting spree and kill two-dozen people.

You know who has killed millions of people on my team? Legion. Do I think he's a risk? No.

Everyone on the ship have killed at least two dozen mercenaries by themselves.

[Someone With Mass]

Nyoka wrote...

...so, if I let him cool off, Garrus' problem disappears? At what point in the game does that happen?

Apparently when he dies on the suicide mission.