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[Raiil]

Arcian wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I really liked Garrus's loyalty mission. I literally just finished doing it with my renagon, and I let him drill Sidonis in the brain stem.

I see Garrus as a good guy willing to go to the limit to do what he views as the right thing. Sidonis killed off people seeking to do right in the world, people frustrated with corruption or hoping for redemption. I tried to see it through the lens of 'what if it were my team?' and I immediately thought of someone trying to knife Garrus in the back or snap Thane's neck- two people trying to make the galaxy a brighter place being killed by a traitor.


I'd have shot the son of a b--ch myself.

You're doing Sidonis a favor by killing him. True punishment would be to let him live with what he did.

Depends on your point of view- or rather, how your Shepard sees it. I don't believe in mindless killing but there are some people who deserve a blade in the spine. Sidonis is one of them. My renagon Shep agrees.

[Raiil]

Arcian wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Depends on your point of view- or rather, how your Shepard sees it. I don't believe in mindless killing but there are some people who deserve a blade in the spine. Sidonis is one of them. My renagon Shep agrees.

The guy outright says he can't live with it.

And people change. Who knows how he'll feel ten years from now?

[Paraxial]

Arcian wrote...
EDIT: Even SS'ed it for great justice.

> The SS file name.

[DTKT]

I thought everyone could agree that Garrus loyalty mission was awesome.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Who cares what is best for Sidonis? It's about what Garrus wants. Let him kill the bastard. You Paragon meddlers always have to but in and insist you know what's best for everyone. It's arrogance, at its core.

As for the mission itself, it's "meh". For a Paragon it makes no sense to do the mission in the first place. It's poorly written in that regard.

Plus once again we see that our "important decisions with consequences" have no real consequences. Whether you betray Garrus or not he's still loyal.

In what way, exactly? You're helping Garrus to settle with his past and old enemies, just like many other loyalty missions.

And that first sentence about Paragons? I can say the exact same thing about Renegades. What makes them the judge of who's dying or not?  

[didymos1120]

Arcian wrote...

The guy outright says he can't live with it.

Yeah, but look at how grateful he is to spared, and how he swears he'll do something to try and make it right. 

[termokanden]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I loved the story aspect to Garrus' loyalty mission. The gameplay leading up to it was... Meh. I didn't really care for the level design..

Agreed.

Or the amount of "bypass" minigames you have to play on that mission. Low amount of credits for each.

I do love the big room with the mechs. If you're clever about it, it's over quite quickly. If not you can spend ages fighting off LOKI mechs. And the two YMIR mechs: if you make manage to shoot the head off one of them, it will blow the other one up (or at least damage it a lot).

The rest of the mission is a bit boring gameplay-wise.

[lolwut666]

I don't think it's about punishing Sidonis; it's about showing Garrus that there's more to justice than just killing people.

Garrus makes think of that phrase that goes "He who fights monsters might take care lest he thereby becomes a monster". I think it summarizes his situation perfectly.

Modifié par lolwut666, 06 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[Clonedzero]

sidonis completely and utterly deserves the shot to the head. the ONE time i talked garrus down, i reloaded lol.

he betrayed him and got 10 of garrus' friends murdered out of cowardice. he deserves to die. sorry but its true. no reason for you to let him live.

both of garrus' personal missions have you "lets kill this outrageously evil person" thing to it. first you got that doctor who mutilates, mutates and harvests peoples organs. he CERTAINLY deserved to be killed. and sidonis as well. i can't see any real reason to let people like that live.

plus i think letting sidonis live would actually haunt garrus more than killing him. i can see people regretting a revenge killing, but garrus? no, why would he regret it? he's killed dozens if not hundreds of people. he was taking guys out left and right on omega, and alot of the time it was for far less than what sidonis did. so why would he feel bad about it?

however, letting him go? i think that could eat at him, always thinking back to "why'd i let him go? i had him!". letting him slip through his fingers cus his sissy friend talked him out of it? yeah i think he'd regret that.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Garrus tells you at the begining, before you even start the mission, that he plans to track down and kill Sidonis. So Shepard for some reason agrees to do this, takes him to the Citadel, guns down two-dozen mercenaries in an attack on Fade's hideout, and then, for some reason, right at the end Shepard gets his morals back. All of a sudden it is wrong to kill for revenge. Nevermind the two dozen people we killed finding this son of a ****. Now you need to just turn around and walk away.

That is bad writing.

So by your logic, everytime we're Paragon and we have to kill mercs to get to our goal, it's bad writing. Okay. Cool beans, bro.

[Clonedzero]

didymos1120 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

The guy outright says he can't live with it.

Yeah, but look at how grateful he is to spared, and how he swears he'll do something to try and make it right. 

of course he says that, his life is on the line lol.
he's not exactly known for his trustworthyness, you know with the whole betraying his team and getting them all except for garrus killed.

[JaerWolfe]

DTKT wrote...

I thought everyone could agree that Garrus loyalty mission was awesome.

If by 'awesome' you mean his loyalty mission turns Garrus into a hypocrite and a coward, then yes. His LM is the most awesome ever.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Saphra Deden: You really can't count the mooks. Videogame logic is broken in that regard.

Not to mention Garrus pretty much makes it clear that he'd hunt down Sidonis himself whether you helped him or not. Safer to tag along and make sure he doesn't do something especially stupid.

[Clonedzero]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

In what way, exactly? You're helping Garrus to settle with his past and old enemies, just like many other loyalty missions.

Garrus tells you at the begining, before you even start the mission, that he plans to track down and kill Sidonis. So Shepard for some reason agrees to do this, takes him to the Citadel, guns down two-dozen mercenaries in an attack on Fade's hideout, and then, for some reason, right at the end Shepard gets his morals back. All of a sudden it is wrong to kill for revenge. Nevermind the two dozen people we killed finding this son of a ****. Now you need to just turn around and walk away.

That is bad writing.

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that first sentence about Paragons? I can say the exact same thing about Renegades.

Yeah, sure you can, sweety.

i gotta agree with you its sorta funny when you think about it.

Shep:"no garrus! murder is wrong!"
Garrus:"but...uh shepard? we just gunned down like 40 dudes simply to learn the location of this guy and all you're gonna do is guilt trip him?"
Shep: "thats the paragon way!"
Garrus: "sounds a bit hypocritical"
Shep: "exactly!"
Garrus: "whatever, i'll agree to be loyal to get my suit fixed"
Shep: "nah, your armor is still busted, but its colors are different!"
Garrus: "awww :("

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Saphra Deden: You really can't count the mooks. Videogame logic is broken in that regard.

Not to mention Garrus pretty much makes it clear that he'd hunt down Sidonis himself whether you helped him or not. Safer to tag along and make sure he doesn't do something especially stupid.

like casually gunning down 40 dudes to learn the location of the guy that your shepard apparently doesnt want to kill, but all those rent-a-cop blue suns are prefectly fine to kill cus they dont have names!

[lolwut666]

The mercenaris were not unarmed and helpless.

[AdmiralCheez]

JaerWolfe wrote...

If by 'awesome' you mean his loyalty mission turns Garrus into a hypocrite and a coward, then yes. His LM is the most awesome ever.

Killing a coward in a cowardly fashion?  Nah, that's how Garrus rolls.  He has a thing for, ahem, irony.

[didymos1120]

Clonedzero wrote...
like casually gunning down 40 dudes to learn the location of the guy that your shepard apparently doesnt want to kill, but all those rent-a-cop blue suns are prefectly fine to kill cus they dont have names!

Well, you know, they do attack you.

[Sesshomaru47]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I honestly didn't know you could gain his loyalty by sparing Sidonis until a few months ago. Always thought that if you didn't let him pop Sid in the back of the head, he'd be pissed off like any other character would've been and abort the mission and all that.

You bamboozle him with your logic of not taking revenge and it being good for his soul. Or a Jedi Mind trick....