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[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Garrus is not you ****ing son. You see? This is the arrogant Paragon-ness I was talking about. You think you are so much better and more mature than your squad that you regard them as mere children. I don't. I think they're adults and I think they can make their own decisions.

And you're apparently suffering from too much skull thickness. 
Jesus. Think outside the box for once so everyone can stop the baby talking.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I liked how this mission could be made tense. Being stubborn and not letting Garrus have his way felt way better then being used as an accomplice to murder. Sure the guys killed his men but I didnt' have anything to do with it so on my end I'm allowing him to be murdered. The only thing that I really didn't like from here was that Garrus wasn't pissed when I talked to him I thought, " Oh geez I'm dead now." I thought he was literally going to take those talons and rake them across my face but instead he was resigned? He was so angry so blood thirsty then that? Talk about anticlimatic. I thought he'd kick sheps ass then not speak to him for a few days then come around and be like yeah I was wrong but he took it so unusually well I'm thinking he'll try to murder me in ME3 over it. You know people who take really bad news really well tend to do that.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 06 mai 2011 - 11:46 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well your example says otherwise. Your squadmates are too infantile to make their own decisions.

It was a bad example, okay?  My point was that life can force you to do bad things at times, but that doesn't mean you should just allow the people you care about to do those same things voluntarily for personal reasons.

And besides, in the end, Garrus was the one that made the decision.  He had the gun.  Sidonis wasn't going anywhere.  All he had to do was wait for Shepard to move.  Meanwhile, Shep can't do anything apart from get in the way and beg him to change his mind.

[lolwut666]

Stop feeding the troll, plox.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Really? That's why he was fighting so hard to stay alive, huh?

Oh, come on.  Just lay down and die?  Nah, no glory in that.  More fun to take out as many of the bastards as you can before they get to you, right?  I mean, Jesus Christ, this is Garrus you're talking about!

[Clonedzero]

lolwut666 wrote...

Stop feeding the troll, plox.

your name is "lolwut666" and you're behaving more like a troll than anyone else in the thread.

also. you just said plox...

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Sure, but what does this have to do with Garrus' Loyalty mission? Life didn't force Shepard to do that mission.

Here we go again...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

The last time Garrus went down this road, he basically decided to commit "suicide by army of mercs."

Really? That's why he was fighting so hard to stay alive, huh?

It was an exaggeration for comic effect, but again, I should remember not to do that around you. Sorry, I'll try to avoid employing anything but the most basic rhetorical devices.

After his team got killed, Garrus had a choice - leave Omega until things cooled down, or try to take on three mercenary armies at the same time with no backup. Unless he was very dumb, I'm pretty sure he has to have known how that rodeo would end. (note: by rodeo I am referring to the battle with the mercs, not to any sort of cowboy show. This is what is called a metaphor, in case you were planning on quoting me and pointing out that there aren't any horses on Omega.)

He wanted to take as many of them down as he could first, yeah, but I think he had long ago abandoned any illusion that he was likely to make it out of Omega alive. Perhaps I am wrong.

[lolwut666]

Clonedzero wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Stop feeding the troll, plox.

your name is "lolwut666" and you're behaving more like a troll than anyone else in the thread.

also. you just said plox...

That you'd suggest my nick matters makes you a complete fool.

And I like how you responded to that comment of mine rather than the one I addressed to you.

You use troll logic and are trying to troll me now, and yet you call me a troll?

Wake up.

Modifié par lolwut666, 07 mai 2011 - 12:00 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sure, but what does this have to do with Garrus' Loyalty mission? Life didn't force Shepard to do that mission.

Well, Garrus DID make this Sidonis guy out to be a dirty, heartless bastard who was getting a bullet in his skull regardless of whether or not Shep tagged along, so really, it was either go with him to make sure he didn't get himself killed and maybe talk him out of it, or watch him take off and cause trouble later.  And hey, possibly sabotaging the Blue Suns' forger is a bonus!

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Talk about missing subtext, you are missing the goddamn plot.

1. CGG admitted that she could be wrong.

2. This does not invalidate her post, as she later said he probably knew he wasn't getting off Omega alive, anyway.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
No, he was trapped. The mercs had already found his hideout and most of his squad. Once they were killed he had no way out.

Talk about missing subtext, you are missing the goddamn plot.

Really pointless nitpicking for the lack of proper comeback is pointless.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Or, you know, don't take him to the Citadel and warn C-Sec that an angry turian vigilante has set-up a meeting with a criminal in a warehouse.

That wasn't an option, and I wouldn't betray Garrus anyway.  Mostly because he's my friend, but also because I don't want aforementioned angry turian coming after me when he finds out he's been betrayed... again.

Seriously, it took half of Omega to even force him into a corner.  You think C-Sec's gonna catch him?  Yeah, right.  And let's not forget that those C-Sec officers are even more innocent than the Blue Suns boys...

Yep, not about to make an enemy out of my closet and most dangerous friend, thanks.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
So being wrong doesn't invalidate ones position, huh? I hope you will all remember this in ME3 when I'm fighting off Cerberus mooks armed with Collector tech and I have no rachni queen to back me up.

Too bad for you. Nothing of that is confirmed as canon, nor will it affect my game in any way.

[Clonedzero]

lolwut666 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Stop feeding the troll, plox.

your name is "lolwut666" and you're behaving more like a troll than anyone else in the thread.

also. you just said plox...

That you'd suggest my nick matters makes you a complete fool.

And I like how you responded to that comment of mine rather than the one I addressed to you.

You use troll logic and are trying to troll me now, and yet you call me a troll?

Wake up.

troll logic? i wrote a long post detailing how the paragon result of the mission makes very little sense. but im using troll logic? awesome. ok well ill be sure to ignore you from now on cus i guess anyone who disagrees with you is a troll since you keep throwing that word around at anyone you disagree with.

ridiculous.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

it was either go with him to make sure he didn't get himself killed and maybe talk him out of it, or watch him take off and cause trouble later.  And hey, possibly sabotaging the Blue Suns' forger is a bonus!

Or, you know, don't take him to the Citadel and warn C-Sec that an angry turian vigilante has set-up a meeting with a criminal in a warehouse.

Do I have to simplify my rhetoric further? Very well, I will endeavor too. Crap, shouldn't have used endeavor. Rhetoric isn't good either. Crap crap! Ok. Simplify! You can do this.

Garrus was angry. Being angry caused him to make choices that put him in a situation where he would have died if Shepard had not saved him.

Shepard wants to help him not make similar decisions in the future, so that he will not end up in a situation where he will die if Shepard does not save him.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 07 mai 2011 - 12:11 .

[lolwut666]

@Clonedzero

lolwut666 wrote...

@Clonedzero

The point is that Sidonis did what he did because he is a coward. It was not for personal gain.

More importantly, Shepard DOES question Garrus several times about killing Sidonis (even before the mission starts, when you talk with Garrus to activate the mission), and Garrus will have none of that.

It's only when Garrus is face-to-face (so to speak) with Sidonis that Shepard has a *real* shot at convincing him. If you actually got off your high horse and tried to understand what happened, you'd know that Shepard did *not* forbid Garrus to kill Sidonis. The dialog is more or less like this:

Shepard: "You gotta let it go, Garrus. He's already paying for his crime."

Garrus: "He hasn't paid enough. He still has his life."

Sidonis: "Tell Garrus... I guess there's nothing I can do to make it right."

Garrus: "Let him go..."

Garrus saw with his own eyes that Sidonis regretted what he did, and that's why he chose not to pull the trigger.

And you meta-gamed when you said that Shepard should have predicted what the Sidonis/Garrus interaction would've been like, and that we should've arrested Sidonis because he turns himself in later.

First of all, Sidonis committed his crime outside of C-Sec jurisdiction, so arresting him is not an option.

Second, stop with this stupid argument of "LOL YOU KILLED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO GET TO HARKIN", because it doesn't hold water. They were armed and hostile. IT COULD NOT BE HELPED.

Why don't you answer this rather than trolling?