Javascript désactivé détecté

Vous avez actuellement le javascript qui est désactivé. Plusieurs fonctionnalités peuvent ne pas marcher. Veuillez réactiver le javascript pour accéder à toutes les fonctionnalités.

Unpopular opinion; Garrus' loyalty mission was easily a top three Loyalty mission.

Débuté par PsychoWARD23 , mai 06 2011 08:24

Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre

462 réponses à ce sujet

#151
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

Members
38 560 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...
It wasn't an option for you, the player, but it was an option for Shepard.

Yeah, and tell them that Shepard is the one doing the call, because he's spot free. It's not like he's with some questional group or something...

Retour en haut

#152
Guest_Arcian_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

Guests

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

>turn in old friend to the authorities for no good reason

Planning to murder somebody is a good reason.

You're not being consistent. Not to mention your virtual boner for the Reapers mean you're willingly giving up trillions of lives for the off-chance of not getting offed which completely butchers your above statement. Your word doesn't really carry that much weight, all things considered.

And really, you are trying way, way, WAY too hard to be like Zulu_DFA.

Retour en haut

#153
aimlessgun

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

Members
2 008 messages

Pshh people and their 'tension'. Sidonis was dead the moment we laid eyes on him. The only reason I considered blocking the shot was so I could shoot Sidonis myself.

mrsph wrote...

Garrus, you could have killed an innocent person by shooting into a crowd.

I am grounding you from calibrations until you learn your lesson.

Garrus don't miss yo.

Retour en haut

#154
AdmiralCheez

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:13

Members
12 990 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

So being wrong doesn't invalidate ones position, huh? I hope you will all remember this in ME3 when I'm fighting off Cerberus mooks armed with Collector tech and I have no rachni queen to back me up.

*headdesk* Yes, getting a DETAIL wrong does not invalidate an entire ARGUMENT.

"A lot of people have plot armor. Liara, Anderson, Joker, Chakwas..."

"CHAKWAS CAN DIE YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG HAHAHA."

"... 8| Yeah okay, bro, sorry I was wrong about Chakwas, but the rest still stand. Plot armor exists. Get over it."

Retour en haut

#155
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:14

Guests

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Garrus was angry. Being angry caused him to make choices that put him in a situation where he would have died if Shepard had not saved him.

There is never any indication of this. Garrus was lured away, but Sidonis was gone. He returned to his hideout to find most of his men dead and the survivors under fire. Garrus, naturally, stayed to try and keep his men alive but once they died he had no way out. It had nothing to do with being reckless or angry on his part beyond his initial decision to go to Omega and work as a vigilante in the first place.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Shepard wants to help him not make similar decisions in the future...

Apparently by indulging in his desires until the last possible minute and then hollowly lecturing him about right and wrong while they both scrub blood out of their armor.

Retour en haut

#156
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:14

Members
38 560 messages

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Do I have to simplify my rhetoric further? Very well, I will endeavor too. Crap, shouldn't have used endeavor. Rhetoric isn't good either. Crap crap! Ok. Simplify! You can do this.

Garrus was angry. Being angry caused him to make choices that put him in a situation where he would have died if Shepard had not saved him.

Shepard wants to help him not make similar decisions in the future, so that he will not end up in a situation where he will die if Shepard does not save him.

Probably should bust out the baby dictionary, just to be sure.

Retour en haut

#157
AdmiralCheez

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:15

Members
12 990 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

It wasn't an option for you, the player, but it was an option for Shepard.

Paragon Shepard does not betray friends. See Tali's loyalty mission.

Retour en haut

#158
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:16

Guests

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paragon Shepard does not betray friends. See Tali's loyalty mission.

Well Paragon Shepard does just that when he stands in the way when Garrus is trying to shoot Sidonis.

Retour en haut

#159
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:16

Members
38 560 messages

Wow, it's like talking to a wall. A very dense wall.

Retour en haut

#160
Guest_Arcian_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:17

Guests

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paragon Shepard does not betray friends. See Tali's loyalty mission.

Well Paragon Shepard does just that when he stands in the way when Garrus is trying to shoot Sidonis.

CONSISTENCY, HOW DOES IT WORK.

Retour en haut

#161
AdmiralCheez

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:17

Members
12 990 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

It had nothing to do with being reckless or angry on his part beyond his initial decision to go to Omega and work as a vigilante in the first place.

Ding ding ding.

Retour en haut

#162
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

Members
38 560 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...
Well Paragon Shepard does just that when he stands in the way when Garrus is trying to shoot Sidonis.

I would hardly call that betrayal. More like buying time to convince Garrus that killing Sidonis is not going to solve anything.

Retour en haut

#163
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

Guests

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wow, it's like talking to a wall. A very dense wall.

A very well crafted and pleasing-to-the-eye wall.

Retour en haut

#164
AdmiralCheez

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

Members
12 990 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well Paragon Shepard does just that when he stands in the way when Garrus is trying to shoot Sidonis.

Because standing in your friend's way when he's being a royal ****** and telling him to get his head out of his anus is EXACTLY THE SAME AS selling him out and sending him into a trap.

Retour en haut

#165
Guest_mrsph_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:20

Guests

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wow, it's like talking to a wall. A very dense wall.

You won't win.

Retour en haut

#166
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:21

Guests

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Because standing in your friend's way when he's being a royal ****** and telling him to get his head out of his anus is EXACTLY THE SAME AS selling him out and sending him into a trap.

Not the same, but still a betrayal.

Retour en haut

#167
saMoorai

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:25

Members
2 745 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Because standing in your friend's way when he's being a royal ****** and telling him to get his head out of his anus is EXACTLY THE SAME AS selling him out and sending him into a trap.

Not the same, but still a betrayal.

I didn't know Convincing your friend not to kill someone is considered betrayal.

Retour en haut

#168
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:26

Guests

saMOOrai182 wrote...

I didn't know Convincing your friend not to kill someone is considered betrayal.

Think about it hard enough and it will come to you.

Retour en haut

#169
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:26

Members
38 560 messages

saMOOrai182 wrote...
I didn't know Convincing your friend not to kill someone is considered betrayal.

But he must see it with his own eyes to believe it. That's why he's dismissing it all.

Retour en haut

#170
Someone With Mass

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:27

Members
38 560 messages

mrsph wrote...
You won't win.

I can bang my head against a wall and get at least something out of it.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 07 mai 2011 - 12:27 .

Retour en haut

#171
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:28

Guests

Someone With Mass wrote...

I can bang my head against a wall and get at least something out of it.

Yeah, it's not like you have to worry about injuring anything.

Retour en haut

#172
AdmiralCheez

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:30

Members
12 990 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not the same, but still a betrayal.

Yep, every time my best friend prevents me from punching someone in the face, she's betraying me. We should totally be worst enemies now. If she was really my best friend, she'd let my rage run unchecked. Totally.

Please. Garrus didn't feel betrayed afterwards, did he? No, he thanked you, because he realized why you did what you did and understands that he was letting his anger rule his life. He may have been a little pissed off and confused for a while at first, but like me with my best friend, he gets it. Sometimes, the violence isn't worth it. It's good to have friends to keep you from behaving badly.

By the way, I owe it to my BFF for talking me out of a lot of fights. Seriously. I was a violent little b*tch in high school.

Retour en haut

#173
Dave666

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:31

Members
1 339 messages

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...
You won't win.

I can bang my head against a wall and get at least something out of it.

Bruises? *hands a pillow* Try putting that against the wall.

Retour en haut

#174
Guest_Saphra Deden_*

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:32

Guests

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yep, every time my best friend prevents me from punching someone in the face, she's betraying me.

That's something impulsive. What Garrus wanted was not an impulsive decision. It was something he thought long and hard about and planned. First degree, in other words. Not what I'd call a crime of passion.

Retour en haut

#175
Dave666

Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:36

Members
1 339 messages

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yep, every time my best friend prevents me from punching someone in the face, she's betraying me.

That's something impulsive. What Garrus wanted was not an impulsive decision. It was something he thought long and hard about and planned. First degree, in other words. Not what I'd call a crime of passion.

So...a friend stopping you from commiting GBH is not betraying you, but one who stops you from committing Murder is? Are you serious?

Retour en haut

Retourner dans Story, Campaign, and Characters

Unpopular opinion; Garrus' loyalty mission was easily a top three Loyalty mission.

#151 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

#152 Guest_Arcian_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

#153 aimlessgun Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:12

#154 AdmiralCheez Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:13

#155 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:14

#156 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:14

#157 AdmiralCheez Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:15

#158 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:16

#159 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:16

#160 Guest_Arcian_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:17

#161 AdmiralCheez Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:17

#162 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

#163 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

#164 AdmiralCheez Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

#165 Guest_mrsph_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:20

#166 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:21

#167 saMoorai Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:25

#168 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:26

#169 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:26

#170 Someone With Mass Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:27

#171 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:28

#172 AdmiralCheez Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:30

#173 Dave666 Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:31

#174 Guest_Saphra Deden_* Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:32

#175 Dave666 Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:36

Connexion