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[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fans had been crying for a geth squadmate long before ME2 was announced. It was a bad idea. It's still a bad idea.

It could be worse.



Anyway, Legion's one of my fav squaddies, right up there with Garrus, Wrex, and Mordin.  I'm glad we have him; I just wish he was available earlier in the game.

EDIT: Grammar, y u no type correct?

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 07 mai 2011 - 03:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fans had been crying for a geth squadmate long before ME2 was announced. It was a bad idea. It's still a bad idea.

It's just one geth. I think Shepard can handle the leash. It's not like Legion is plotting to kill Shepard, because the geth have nothing to gain on it. People are making it way worse than it is, just because they think the geth is some kind of irreversable enemy of humanity. Which only a small faction is (or more like an enemy of all organics), and Shepard had the choice to correct that. 

[AdmiralCheez]

So, the geth got upgraded from soulless mooks, and you complain?

Even though their emotional nature was hinted at with how they worshiped the Reapers? And that religion pretty much foreshadows division all the damn time?

Because as soon as I heard they saw the Reapers as gods, I thought to myself, "Wow, they're not just flesh-hating machines, are they? They seek truth and meaning just like everyone else." Not to mention everything Tali said about the Morning War made me see more and more to them as well.

In short, you shoulda seen it coming, Saph.

[Someone With Mass]

Besides, if they all were mindless killing machines, the battle of the Citadel would've been so one-sided.

And Tali said in ME1 that they were evolving beyond the being they were when they rebelled.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 07 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[Collider]

They were never soulless mooks. The geth were distant and cold aliens who we couldn't hope to relate to or even communicate with. They were really the only true aliens in the series. The geth had an aura of mystery about them.

Now though? Now they're child-like robots who dance when nobody is looking.

Stupid.

Plus, as was said before, they've been made out to be too sympathetic.

I agree.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They were never soulless mooks. The geth were distant and cold aliens who we couldn't hope to relate to or even communicate with. They were really the only true aliens in the series. The geth had an aura of mystery about them.

And they still do.  They are billions of minds, all connected.  It's hard to imagine what it's like to be a geth.

Now though? Now they're child-like robots who dance when nobody is looking.

That was the best Easter Egg in the whole damn game and you know it.

Stupid.

Actually, smart.  Legion could outwit everyone on the Normandy in the blink of an eye.

Plus, as was said before, they've been made out to be too sympathetic.

Well, they had to.  Otherwise the upcoming choice between them and the quarians would be too easy for some people.  Not everyone chooses sides for strictly tactical reasons.  They are called paraderps, and they need their conflict, too.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Bioware tried pretty hard to plot-hammer the geth into being "nice" during ME2, but I don't buy it. I will use them and discard them as I see fit, I don't trust them in the long run and I hope we see more than two options for dealing with the geth in ME3.

[ADLegend21]

Even without Legion I'd still chooe the geth over the quarians. They were attacked and the quarians wanted to commit genocide, they fought back and owned the quarians. Plus they're immune to indoctrination so there's no chance of that messing with them. Legion's the awesome ambassador to the geth so to answer the topic He's Hero!

[MaynPayn]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

RAWR, I'd like to dedicate memory to that :innocent:

EDIT: That was weird let's never talk about it again.

Modifié par MaynPayn, 07 mai 2011 - 05:38 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

MaynPayn wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

RAWR, I'd like to dedicate memory to that :innocent:

EDIT: That was weird let's never talk about it again.

This image makes one wonders if the quarians designed the geth with some "secondary" functions in mind...

[GodWood]

mrsph wrote...
I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

It is amazing how people can simply brush that aside.

Yes the quarians instigated the war and yes the geth defended themselves against the attackers.

However

They than proceeded to hunt down and murder the billions of inoccent men, women and children who had no involvement in deciding the geth's fate or even the geth war.
And the geth that did this are the same geth that are floating around now.

[Cypher0020]

I'm glad Legion's an ally... he turned my anti-geth Shep to a gal who is geninuely pro-quarian and pro-geth... she wants to forge some sort of truce after the years of fighting

Oh and she'll enjoy giving a biotic beat down to Kai Leng too...

I seriously dobut this man can fight off a singularity or a warp bomb....

[Someone With Mass]

What's done is done. Put the past behind us. Won't help anything if everyone's sitting around and moping about it.

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

Precisely.  They are not innocent.  No one is.  And that's what makes it fun.

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
What's done is done. Put the past behind us. Won't help anything if everyone's sitting around and moping about it.

Says the Cerberus hater?




Anyways me seeing the current geth as guilty of genocide doesn't mean I'm against using them as [expendable] allies against the Reapers.
It just means that if the option to put Xen's idea into play ever arises I know I need not think twice.

Modifié par GodWood, 07 mai 2011 - 06:12 .

[Golden Owl]

V-rex wrote...

I liked Legion, a lot. He was by far the most interesting character in the Mass Effect 2 teammate list and raised more interesting questions about philosophy and what it meant to be 'alive'. Truth be told I wish there was more time for him to develop, rather than having him be shoved to the side until the very end.
Because what little we get to see of him is very intriguing. The N7 armor bit in particular I found very interesting because it implied that Geth had the capacity to do random things driven more by emotion than logic, but at this point couldn't understand that implication.

As it stands I like the idea of presenting the Geth as neither perfect paragons of peace or evil monsters of murder. Geth are ambigious, neither all the way evil nor all the way good. Like every other race in the galaxy.
Frankly I liked the fact that they fleshed out the Geth. It's better then having another tired 'graaa they is all evilz by default becase the iz geth and robobts!1!!!11!1!!!'. Here there's actually a bit of moral ambiguity.

To the people who talk about how the Geth shoot down every ship that goes into their system, how many ships do you think entered Geth Space with intent to be friendly? Or to trade? Or to sightsee?
I always imagined that the vast majority of times it was either Alliance or Council scouts for a larger military group, a Quarian attack fleet trying to reclaim the homeworld, or a science team trying to bring back bits of Geth for study.
In which case, the Geth have a right to fight back.

Also as for the Quarian-geth war business. I won't play the card of 'the Quarians tried to initiate war first' even though I think that's a fair point and we have no evidence to suggest the Geth collective would have attacked if they didn't feel threatened. But I will point out that we don't really know how the majority of that conflict took place, for the most part we have it from the perspective of Quarians who weren't there and would be biased towards the enemy considering they lost.

If Legion is to be believed 98% of all Geth-Quarian interactions that ended in violence were instigated by Quarians and that whenever they thought they had a chance, they would always return to the fight. For all we know the great genocide of the Quarians could have been a slow thing that was the result of the war continuing to stretch far longer then it had to because the Quarians were just as interested in continuing it as the Geth.

Either one could be lying or embelishing the truth, true. But I don't see what makes Legion less reliable then say, Tali, as an account for a war that happened over three hundred years ago.

But still that's all just stuff at the top of my head. To summarize, I thought it was great to have Legion be part of the team and his presence gave some much needed depth to the Geth. I also see no reason not to trust Legion, if Legion ever wanted to sabbotage the mission or kill Shepard he could have done it ages ago. He was given access to the Normandy's systems and was in the AI core for f*cks sake.

I trust Legion, and I liked having Legion around. No team is ever complete without a kickass robot.

As for Kai Leng? Sure, give me a boss fight with Kai. Could be fun.

Very well said........good points, good argument...

[Golden Owl]

mrsph wrote...

How does he hold that rose?

Blu-Tak...

[CroGamer002]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fans had been crying for a geth squadmate long before ME2 was announced. It was a bad idea. It's still a bad idea.

[ADLegend21]

mrsph wrote...

I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

um, no they didn't. the Quarians ran and the Geth did not follow. If they followed, then they'd be commiting genocide.