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[GodWood]

ADLegend21 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

um, no they didn't. the Quarians ran and the Geth did not follow. If they followed, then they'd be commiting genocide.

I'm not going to bother defining what is or isn't genocide however...
They did wipe out billions of innocent quarians who had no involvement in deciding the geth's fate or even the geth war.

[CroGamer002]

ADLegend21 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

um, no they didn't. the Quarians ran and the Geth did not follow. If they followed, then they'd be commiting genocide.

Geth killed billions of Quarians and only around 15 million of them left.

That's a genocide.

[ADLegend21]

GodWood wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
I actually do have problems with (though I love Legion) the geth being portrayed as innocent. They still committed genocide on a grand scale, even in self defense that is inexcusable.

um, no they didn't. the Quarians ran and the Geth did not follow. If they followed, then they'd be commiting genocide.

I'm not going to bother defining what is or isn't genocide however...
They did wipe out billions of innocent quarians who had no involvement in deciding the geth's fate or even the geth war.

and yet Legion clearly states that there are no hostile intentions towards them currently. Those geth were fighting for survival when faced with extinction.

[GodWood]

ADLegend21 wrote...
and yet Legion clearly states that there are no hostile intentions towards them currently.

Irrelevent.
The geth that exist today wiped out billions of inoccents.

Those geth were fighting for survival when faced with extinction.

They were no longer "fighting for survival" when they reached the 50% of the quarian population and were still attacking they became the attackers systematically cleansing the planet of any people who happened to be of the same species as their original "oppressors"


With your train of thought, if your country was to attack mine my country would be allowed to kill every single innocent man, woman and child of your country.

[ADLegend21]

GodWood wrote...

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With your train of thought, if your country was to attack mine my country would be allowed to kill every single innocent man, woman and child of your country.

You must not know war do you? Legion says the creators attack 100% of the tiem when theyf eel victory is achieveable, they gave them no chance of victory. These also aren't the same Geth they've evolved into a much larger network and even had a split, fi they were the same they wouldn't have split. so no it's not Irrelevant.

[GodWood]

ADLegend21 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
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With your train of thought, if your country was to attack mine my country would be allowed to kill every single innocent man, woman and child of your country.

You must not know war do you?

So what's that? a yes?

Legion says the creators attack 100% of the tiem when theyf eel victory is achieveable, they gave them no chance of victory.

So you believe the quarians are entirely in the wrong for instigating the war against the geth and for trying to commit genocide to preserve and protect their own species and yet when the geth slaughter billions of innocent men, women and children and do commit genocide on a massive scale so the quarians can "never attack them again" you have no problems?

These also aren't the same Geth they've evolved into a much larger network and even had a split, fi they were the same they wouldn't have split. so no it's not Irrelevant.

No they are the same geth, just older, smarter and more experienced.

Modifié par GodWood, 07 mai 2011 - 07:49 .

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

I think Legion came off a a good guy in the game. We came into Mass Effect 2 thinking that the geth were an enemy, but they just want the same thing we do; to stop the reapers. Legion even hinted at peace between geth and organics a few times in the game. If you think about it, after the morning war, Legion's geth never even attacked anyone that didn't deserve it. Even during the war, it was the quarians that were the aggressors. As for Kai Leng, I'd rather gimp his ass and let Aria finish him off. I'd even let her borrow my explosive rounds, if she wanted them. She seems more like 'filet you alive... with my mind' kind of girl.

Modifié par DJCS, 07 mai 2011 - 08:10 .

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Even without Legion I'd still chooe the geth over the quarians. They were attacked and the quarians wanted to commit genocide, they fought back and owned the quarians. Plus they're immune to indoctrination so there's no chance of that messing with them. Legion's the awesome ambassador to the geth so to answer the topic He's Hero!

I agree, the quarians and geth had the same intentions, the difference was that the geth were successful. Now people try to potray them as genicidal monsters, though they can't leave the veil without being attacked. I thought that since the first game, this was a generally understood concept.

[CroGamer002]

GodWood wrote...

So you believe the quarians are entirely in the wrong for instigating the war against the geth and for trying to commit genocide to preserve and protect their own species and yet when the geth slaughter billions of innocent men, women and children and do commit genocide on a massive scale so the quarians can "never attack them again" you have no problems?

They got nothing on Geth that they would ever attacked them in first place. If they negotiated first, bloodshed might have been avoided but no, Quarians f*cked up by species that didn't know real difference between combatants and non-combatants.

[GodWood]

Mesina2 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
So you believe the quarians are entirely in the wrong for instigating the war against the geth and for trying to commit genocide to preserve and protect their own species and yet when the geth slaughter billions of innocent men, women and children and do commit genocide on a massive scale so the quarians can "never attack them again" you have no problems?

They got nothing on Geth that they would ever attacked them in first place. If they negotiated first, bloodshed might have been avoided but no, Quarians f*cked up by species that didn't know real difference between combatants and non-combatants.

Ahh yes the "they didn't know any better" position.

[Pedro Costa]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

They got nothing on Geth that they would ever attacked them in first place. If they negotiated first, bloodshed might have been avoided but no, Quarians f*cked up by species that didn't know real difference between combatants and non-combatants.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts!

I don't even think I can make an articulate argument here, I am so frustrated and mad!

HINDSIGHT HINDSIGHT HINDSIGHT HINDSIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, YOU DUMMY??????????????

The quarians made a logical decision. Arguing that they should have done one thing or another, with information that the quarians didn't have at the time, is asinine and STUPID!

I'd be a nicer person if you people would use your heads more.

So, if you had a slave to do all the hard and dangerous things for you come up to you and ask "Why am I here?" you should pick up an assault rifle and spray your slave with bullets because you can't fathom giving it the same rights you hold?
Quick, somebody get Lincoln, he was doing it wrong!

Back to the fictional world of MassEffect, the Quarians, as instigators, did the Geth wrong. Instead of reasoning with them and trying to reach a peaceful solution, they decided to terminate a species.
The Geth, while fighting to survive did wrong to drive the Quarians into the brink of extinction.

And please, don't insult other people if your opinion is poorly articulated or not generally shared.

And for what it's worth, I had my reservations about a Geth squadmate before Mass2, now I keep wishing that Legion could have been recruited sooner. Along with Wrex and Ash, he's my favourite MassEffect character.

[Eradyn]

The geth had no intention of genocide. As has already been pointed out, had they been interested in such a goal, they would have pursued the quarians and finished the job. They didn't and for 300 years have kept to themselves, dealing only with trespassers seeking to do them some harm. Which, if I recall correctly, is all of them, btw. No overtures of peace have been attempted until Shepard and Legion happen in ME2. The Morning War was long and bloody. It wasn't a case of the quarians getting jumped and fleeing for their lives and that was it. It wasn't a one-sided conflict...the quarians bombarding their own planet is evidence enough. Unfortunately for the quarians, they only withdrew after suffering incredible losses to their population. Had they withdrawn sooner, I'm sure the losses would not have been as severe.

Modifié par Eradyn, 07 mai 2011 - 12:16 .

[V-rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

The geth had no intention of genocide.

You people are so fing dense.

Yeah and 'you people' display the most spectacular cases of denial and arrogance I've ever seen.

[darknoon5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

The geth had no intention of genocide.

You people are so fing dense.

Believe it or not, taking one line from a well thought-out post and ignoring the rest for the sake of a cheap shot is not a good arguementative device. In this thread you've been petty and ignored anything that disagrees with your view, usually calling people "dumb, stupid" or "dense."

Maybe you need to look in the mirror and try at least hearing out another viewpoint instead of just insulting everybody who disagrees with you.
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On the topic, I do believe the geth did commit terrible crimes, however they were less advanced then they are by ME2 (300 years passed) and have obviously started to feel remorse and would be willing for peace with the Quarians. Geth think, as Legion said, with math. Wipining out as many Quarians as possible was logical, at least to them, but they have realized it's wrong, and they seem to be willing to atone for their actions, something the Quarians are not. Infact, many such as Tali, Rael'Zorah and Han'Gerrel want to wipe out the geth, and other radicals such as Xen want to re-enslave them! Only one member of the admirality board feels the Geth were wronged, and only two don't want to kill/enslave the geth. So the arguement that these Quarians aren't the same ones as 300 years ago isn't an arguement-winner, seeing as they obviously have yet to accept and learn from their mistakes.

(more on topic, I do want an encounter with Kai Leng)

Modifié par darknoon5, 08 mai 2011 - 11:19 .