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[Computer_God91]

Soahfreako wrote...

And you're still applying human truths to unknowns. If the Asari just need the mate, who's to say another species wouldn't have the same requisites? Granted they do it with they're psychic mumbo-jumbo, but it's still possible to have it on a lower level.

I'm applying known genetics, universally applicable on this planet, to logically solve an unknown. Not just a human truth because if it were then it would only apply to humans and it clearly does not.

Yes, Asari are able to reproduce with any species because of their mental connection. However, like the Asari say themselves they are only using their partners DNA to randomize their own. Thus it is not truely, geneticly, the partners child. The partner played a role in its creation and could be assumed the 'father' but really isn't genetically. Its basically a complex form of Parthenogenisis like the codex states. The Asari are the only species capable of doing this of the known races.

Soahfreako wrote...
I finally understand what you were getting at with the gravity thing, and it's completely unapplicable here as the Asari homeworld has gravity, but they don't need to have their own species to reproduce. So that point is null and void. 

See above arguement, it is plenty applicable. Maybe not in the orginal sense saying that a species must use its own members to reproduce but the Asari don't take the 'father' species DNA or genetic material making part of  my point still valid. You can't mix two different species genes and create a hybrid species with it.

Soahfreako wrote...
 But yes, I do agree that some universal facts carry over, BUT there are still unkown unknowns, things we don't know that we don't know about aliens.

I agree that there is plenty of unknowns about an alien species but their genetics running differently seems a lot more unlikely because we have plenty of evidence on our homeworld suggesting that genetics, like physics, is universal. However, I will say that until we meet an actual alien species in reality nothing can be certain. That doesn't mean that I believe the aliens in Mass Effect are able to reproduce with humans because their culture and reproduction is spelled out pretty clear. Unless the gods of Mass Effect (Bioware) deem it possible because people want to make hidious hybrid children with aliens. In which case I'd be very disappointed in them.

Speaking of hybrids, the galatic community has been around for thousands of years yet there are no hybrids roaming around or ever mentioned in game/book/comic. Further proving my point.

Soahfreako wrote...
 So both of us cannot apply 'facts' and say that we're both right. This is pure speculation on both our parts.

I have been appling facts that greatly support my arguements while you have only used the Asari as an example and I already disproved that. We might both be speculating but I have science and logic to back my arguements where yours is flimsy hope. Usually the side with the most proof proves to be right and in this cause it is my side .

Sure there will always be unknowns but we can always have a pretty good idea of something. Our own senses lie to us on a daily basis.

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

. Usually the side with the most proof proves to be right and in this cause it is my side .

I honeslty can't believe you just said that any of your arguement is proof. I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. Wow, I'm done. If you think that way then I can't argue with an ignoramous. 

[Errol Dnamyx]

I want the option to kill Joker.
And the Council. Again.

[WizenSlinky0]

Soahfreako wrote...

I honeslty can't believe you just said that any of your arguement is proof. I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. Wow, I'm done. If you think that way then I can't argue with an ignoramous. 

Eh he has you beat in more logical deductions. Statistics wide, the probability of this many races not having tried having unprotected sex with eachother would be rather low. As in off the scale low.

So there is very little chance of a Shepard being able to have kids in the usual sense of sharing traits as he would with a human.

However, it is plausible to assume there are more races who are capable of using other species DNA in some form to create a child. Although like the asari, whatever method their body uses, is likely to create a child that is directly decendent from their own species with some limited input from the human side of things.

I'd laugh and facepalm if EVERY species was capable of this. Especially every romancable species.

Adoption is your friend Shepard.

[the_one_54321]

Shepard deciding s/he is actually thoroughly disgusted by the idea of sex with alien species. Unfortunately the more numerous voices have already rendered this impossible.

[Soahfreako]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

I honeslty can't believe you just said that any of your arguement is proof. I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. Wow, I'm done. If you think that way then I can't argue with an ignoramous. 

Eh he has you beat in more logical deductions. Statistics wide, the probability of this many races not having tried having unprotected sex with eachother would be rather low. As in off the scale low.

So there is very little chance of a Shepard being able to have kids in the usual sense of sharing traits as he would with a human.

However, it is plausible to assume there are more races who are capable of using other species DNA in some form to create a child. Although like the asari, whatever method their body uses, is likely to create a child that is directly decendent from their own species with some limited input from the human side of things.

I'd laugh and facepalm if EVERY species was capable of this. Especially every romancable species.

Adoption is your friend Shepard.

And THAT is what I've been arguing this entire time, I never pointed out a specific race at all that could reproduce with Shepard, other than using Asari as the example. My whole arguement has been that it is possible that there could be another race that is similar to the Asari that allow them to do such a thing. I've never tried to argue that you can try to reproduce the same way as humans do with other races, so of course he'd win that arguement, because he's only arguing with himself. All he's done is try to apply out-of-game 'proof' to the established races, save for one mordin quote.

Modifié par Soahfreako, 11 mai 2011 - 12:44 .

[Soahfreako]

accidental double

Modifié par Soahfreako, 11 mai 2011 - 12:37 .

[Soahfreako]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

1. No Multiplayer at all!!!!
If they do, please add a Offline Mode for Offliners!!!!! What happens if internet goes down, or network goes down and you can't play it? Add Offline!!!!

That is 100% confirmed not to be in ME3 so yay!

Modifié par Soahfreako, 11 mai 2011 - 12:38 .

[Computer_God91]

Soahfreako wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
. Usually the side with the most proof proves to be right and in this cause it is my side [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie].

I honeslty can't believe you just said that any of your arguement is proof. I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. Wow, I'm done. If you think that way then I can't argue with an ignoramous. 

Calling someone providing more facts and logical deductions an ignoramus while you yourself have failed to do either makes you look like an utter moron. 

Soahfreako wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...
I honeslty can't believe you just said that any of your arguement is proof. I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. Wow, I'm done. If you think that way then I can't argue with an ignoramous. 

Eh he has you beat in more logical deductions. Statistics wide, the probability of this many races not having tried having unprotected sex with eachother would be rather low. As in off the scale low. 
So there is very little chance of a Shepard being able to have kids in the usual sense of sharing traits as he would with a human.
However, it is plausible to assume there are more races who are capable of using other species DNA in some form to create a child. Although like the asari, whatever method their body uses, is likely to create a child that is directly decendent from their own species with some limited input from the human side of things.I'd laugh and facepalm if EVERY species was capable of this. Especially every romancable species. 
Adoption is your friend Shepard. 

And THAT is what I've been arguing this entire time, I never pointed out a specific race at all that could reproduce with Shepard, other than using Asari as the example. My whole arguement has been that it is possible that there could be another race that is similar to the Asari that allow them to do such a thing. I've never tried to argue that you can try to reproduce the same way as humans do with other races, so of course he'd win that arguement, because he's only arguing with himself. All he's done is try to apply out-of-game 'proof' to the established races, save for one mordin quote.

And that is what I have been saying is extremely unlikely the whole time. The Asari admit themselves that the child you help create isn't really yours because of their parthenogenisis.  all you have done is push the randomizer button. It is not your genetic child. If a game whats to establish itself in our future then it must abide by established facts. So technically 'out of game proof' is indeed in game proof.

It is always safer to assume something isn't possible until proven wrong rather then believe something is possible and be disappointed when you realize it isn't. You obviously want to put faith in humans being able to breed with other aliens. Which I will tell you is impossible. We have specific requirements in order to be able to create a child, an alien can't meet those because never in its entire existance has it had to.

Soahfreako wrote...
All he's done is try to apply out-of-game 'proof

You clearly aren't talking about in game only either, pal.

Soahfreako wrote...
 I seem to have missed the news report that we have made contact with aliens and tried to reproduce with them. 

Modifié par Computer_God91, 11 mai 2011 - 08:34 .

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

It is always safer to assume something isn't possible until proven wrong rather then believe something is possible and be disappointed when you realize it isn't. You obviously want to put faith in humans being able to breed with other aliens. Which I will tell you is impossible. We have specific requirements in order to be able to create a child, an alien can't meet those because never in its entire existance has it had to.

No, I don't you've consistently fail to realize that I'm not trying to say the human could have the offspring, the whole point of my arguement is to say that an offspring can be made. Not that it's the human's offspring, not that it's the alien's offspring, just offspring. Period.  It doesn't matter to me which race produces the offspring, just that one can be made if the specific race has the ability, like the Asari, to take the DNA from the mate and randomize their own.

[Computer_God91]

Soahfreako wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

It is always safer to assume something isn't possible until proven wrong rather then believe something is possible and be disappointed when you realize it isn't. You obviously want to put faith in humans being able to breed with other aliens. Which I will tell you is impossible. We have specific requirements in order to be able to create a child, an alien can't meet those because never in its entire existance has it had to.

No, I don't you've consistently fail to realize that I'm not trying to say the human could have the offspring, the whole point of my arguement is to say that an offspring can be made. Not that it's the human's offspring, not that it's the alien's offspring, just offspring. Period.  It doesn't matter to me which race produces the offspring, just that one can be made if the specific race has the ability, like the Asari, to take the DNA from the mate and randomize their own.

Maybe you should be more specific in your posts then. If all you want is just an offspring then through the Asari you can have one, although not yours genetically, you can have one. They are the only known race to do this. What are you wanting? more races similar to the Asari?

[Soahfreako]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

It is always safer to assume something isn't possible until proven wrong rather then believe something is possible and be disappointed when you realize it isn't. You obviously want to put faith in humans being able to breed with other aliens. Which I will tell you is impossible. We have specific requirements in order to be able to create a child, an alien can't meet those because never in its entire existance has it had to.

No, I don't you've consistently fail to realize that I'm not trying to say the human could have the offspring, the whole point of my arguement is to say that an offspring can be made. Not that it's the human's offspring, not that it's the alien's offspring, just offspring. Period.  It doesn't matter to me which race produces the offspring, just that one can be made if the specific race has the ability, like the Asari, to take the DNA from the mate and randomize their own.

Maybe you should be more specific in your posts then. If all you want is just an offspring then through the Asari you can have one, although not yours genetically, you can have one. They are the only known race to do this. What are you wanting? more races similar to the Asari?

No, I'm trying to say that there's always a possibility that there could be another race with similar attributes, thus giving them the ability to procreate the same way Asari do but not with their minds. I wouldn't mind more races, I really like the idea of that Avian race that I can't remember the name of at the moment. But that wasn't my point from the beginning lol.

[Abispa]

I would like to see how the hell the Elcor and the Hanar ever made it become space faring species. Neither race appear to be able to manipulate any form of technology, though I suppose that could simply be because of graphics limitations.

[Computer_God91]

Soahfreako wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

It is always safer to assume something isn't possible until proven wrong rather then believe something is possible and be disappointed when you realize it isn't. You obviously want to put faith in humans being able to breed with other aliens. Which I will tell you is impossible. We have specific requirements in order to be able to create a child, an alien can't meet those because never in its entire existance has it had to.

No, I don't you've consistently fail to realize that I'm not trying to say the human could have the offspring, the whole point of my arguement is to say that an offspring can be made. Not that it's the human's offspring, not that it's the alien's offspring, just offspring. Period.  It doesn't matter to me which race produces the offspring, just that one can be made if the specific race has the ability, like the Asari, to take the DNA from the mate and randomize their own.

Maybe you should be more specific in your posts then. If all you want is just an offspring then through the Asari you can have one, although not yours genetically, you can have one. They are the only known race to do this. What are you wanting? more races similar to the Asari?

No, I'm trying to say that there's always a possibility that there could be another race with similar attributes, thus giving them the ability to procreate the same way Asari do but not with their minds. I wouldn't mind more races, I really like the idea of that Avian race that I can't remember the name of at the moment. But that wasn't my point from the beginning lol.

Pretty hard to get that when your all to busy getting pissed off because I don't support this idea. Bioware has already said that their will be more races in ME3 just not which. The name is rolio (sp?), that is the bird species you are thinking of.

[Commander Shep4rd]

Mako. Nuff Said

[Margaret_TheElf]

-MOAR space cows

-paint the Normandy "Mystery Machine" style

-Urz as a full time pet/squadmember

-Shep meets Krogan that had a breeding request for him/her

-Long hair options

-weekly gatherings around the galaxy map to sing songs

-MOAR COWBELL

[AK404]

Wish list:

I want squad member autocast to have five options: full, defensive only, full + defense strip, warp bomb, and none. No more of this idiotic "I used up my cooldown on a defensive skill I didn't need" BS.

Full is as it sounds: it casts a talent whenever the GCD is up.

Defensive is as it sounds: it means Jacob wastes his GCD on useless Barriers.

Full w/defense strip means that the NPC automatically targets the closest enemies with the defenses it can strip and autocasts. Once there are no more enemies with defenses in range, it defaults to the Full AI.

Warp bomb means that the NPC holds its biotic GCD until a target is affected by biotics, then autocasts warp. If there are no biotic-capable squad mates, this option defaults to Full.

None is complete control.

I also want squad member autocast options to apply to individual members. For example, I'm taking Jack and Kasumi on a mission. I need to control Kasumi's talent usage obsessively, so I set her to 'no autocast.' However, I'm fine with Jack's AI casting Shockwave whenever it comes off cooldown, so I set her to 'full.'

Squad versions of ammo powers apply to every single weapon in the squad.

Your squadmates duck for cover if they get shot. If you've placed them in a spot where there is no cover, they will run for cover instead of letting themselves die.

Recon hoods. I love these things.

Mapping. It'd be nice (and realistic, given today's mapping technology) if Shep was able to use a mapping system (based upon the Normandy's Argus scanner) that gives a projection of a movable three-dimensional isometric map, the comprehensiveness of which is based on the amount of time Shepard spends in that particular battlefield. Thus, instead of having to stick his head out to point out via LOS where squad mates have to position themselves, Shep can simply draw up the map via omni tool and position the squad like so. The longer Shep spends in combat, the more he learns about the field, but the higher the chances that the enemy will outmaneuver him. Obviously, this would have to take place in real-time, unlike the LOS method, where a pause in the action via power/weapon circle was possible.

Heavy weapon: air strike.

In addition, an infiltrator or engineer would be able to scan out the area faster via cloaking or surveillance drone.

Engineers. Not multiple drones, but something like it. It might sound silly drawing from Hellgate: London (remember that game?), but anyone remember the Engineer's inhibitor bots that would slow down enemies? Something nasty like that: untargetable, uncontrollable, and incapable of any direct damage.

[AK404]

Oh, and when you command your squaddies to point their guns at specified enemies? When I bring up the power wheel, I'd like something akin to a raid symbol above those targets heads to confirm that my squad mates are indeed focusing fire on them.

[snakeboy86]

the option to space yourself out the airlock if the fight against the reapers goes all Fubar

[MrFob]

ME1 style galaxy map and UNC planet scale.

[AlanC9]

Computer_God91 wrote...
Because Asari are made that way. Go read the codex, when you screw an Asari and have a kid with her she only uses you to randomize her genetics that she already has. Its not your genetic child, your just a randomizer button.

"Randomizer" is the wrong word. There's nothing random about it -- psychological traits are passed on from the "father" to the Asari child. Trying to fanwank  the pseudoscience here, presumably the Asari all carry a huge genome and parts of it are switched on and off to match the traits of the two parents. It's not that an Asari who breeds with a human or a krogan gets human or krogan DNA, it's that the child gets the closest fit from the existing Asari DNA to the traits of that particular human or krogan.

[Klimy]

Well, based on how DA2 went, I wish there would be an ending in ME3 rather than cliff hanger :/ But I'll keep my hopes to myself.

[mcrevan117]

co-op !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soahfreako]

snakeboy86 wrote...

the option to space yourself out the airlock if the fight against the reapers goes all Fubar

I support this. XD