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Why I think Infiltrator makes the most sense

Débuté par Guest_iRipper_* , mai 07 2011 12:11

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:11

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Story, cutscene and gameplay wise I mean.

1. Infiltrators rely on stealth and reconnaissance, Spectres too + Shepard gets a frigate that is also outfitted for stealth and reconnaisance. Perfect trio.
2. Since Shepard never uses biotics in cutscenes and doesn't know much about them, only Soldier, Infiltrator and Engineer make sense for continuity and immersion reasons. 
3. Infiltrators can use tech, so it makes sense that Shepard can hack all those terminals, data pads, doors, disarm bombs, reprogram YMIR mechs him/herself
4. So many more reasons, like Kasumi or Arrival missions, where you are required to infiltrate or "rely" on stealth.

What's your opinion?

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:14

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1. I guess I'll give you that one.

2. Besides generic omni-tool stuff, Shepard never uses Tech powers either.

3. From certain cutscenes, it appears as if most everyone has an omni-tool needed to hack, etc

4. Sure.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:16

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But the infamous cutscene Assault Rifle says otherwise.

Though I never thought it made sense for a Marine not to be able to use an assault rifle, no matter what his specialty is.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:18

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I mean continuity and immersion reasons of hacking! In ME1, only sentinels, engineers and infiltrators were allowed to hack. And I think that's how it should have been in ME2

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:19

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True, but I saw that as an extension of N7 training as well.

It was only security hacking not A.I hacking.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:20

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Infiltrator makes sense for a Commanding Officer who's in charge of an entire operation. It's ridiculous for Shepard to be kicking down doors and just going with the flow of the battle (ala soldier or vanguard) instead of leading the team from afar and providing support fire.

But hey that's video game logic for you.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:21

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In ME1 you do hack an A.I terminal :)

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:33

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See, I view Shepard as something of a Kasumi/Garrus hybrid. That means crafty, smart, fast thinking person who's also a good shot. But still regular human being, without godlike biotic powers, like Jack or Samara use in cutscenes.

Also that scene with Grunt and secret gun, that's such an "infilratorish" thing ^^

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:35

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default cutscene shep is always a soldier

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:39

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88mphSlayer wrote...

default cutscene shep is always a soldier


I know that :) But I'm giving my reasons, why Infiltrator makes even more sense and allows for more continuity. 

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 12:40

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iRipper wrote...

See, I view Shepard as something of a Kasumi/Garrus hybrid. That means crafty, smart, fast thinking person who's also a good shot. But still regular human being, without godlike biotic powers, like Jack or Samara use in cutscenes.

Also that scene with Grunt and secret gun, that's such an "infilratorish" thing ^^


Indeed, biotics are cool, but having a character prevail against powerful enemies despite not having these powers himself makes the story a lot more badass.:ph34r:

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:26

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Da Mecca wrote...

iRipper wrote...

See, I view Shepard as something of a Kasumi/Garrus hybrid. That means crafty, smart, fast thinking person who's also a good shot. But still regular human being, without godlike biotic powers, like Jack or Samara use in cutscenes.

Also that scene with Grunt and secret gun, that's such an "infilratorish" thing ^^


Indeed, biotics are cool, but having a character prevail against powerful enemies despite not having these powers himself makes the story a lot more badass.:ph34r:


Exactly. :wizard: Playing the Infiltrator I never get torn out of the game. 

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:44

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Agreed about cutscenes. Especially when my Vanguards suddenly forget about Charge. On the other hand, not all possible chances to show character using a tech/biotic power is used - according to cutscenes, for example, Kaidan is a Soldier class :D
For Spectres being only infiltration agents - not likely. Infiltrating Saren? Or Tela Vasir? I doubt that. Different Spectres, different methods.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:49

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Shepard is bada** incarnate. Shepard transcends class restrictions.
/end of line.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:50

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Would be nice if cutscenes were class specific but I never found it too distracting, plus it would probably take a lot of work designing specific cutscenes for all the classes.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:51

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mineralica wrote...

Agreed about cutscenes. Especially when my Vanguards suddenly forget about Charge. On the other hand, not all possible chances to show character using a tech/biotic power is used - according to cutscenes, for example, Kaidan is a Soldier class :D
For Spectres being only infiltration agents - not likely. Infiltrating Saren? Or Tela Vasir? I doubt that. Different Spectres, different methods.


Yes. But it makes such a neat connection to the lore :)

The Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch was founded at some point after the salarians joined the Citadel and shortly before the Krogan Rebellions began, when the Council became uneasy about the unchecked expansion of the krogan into Citadel space. The Spectres were chosen from the finest salarian STG operatives and asari huntresses, intended to function partly in an observational capacity, but also as the Council's first line of defense. When the krogan finally turned against the Citadel, the Spectres were ready for them, using guerrilla tactics such as computer viruses and devastating sabotage to slow the krogan down before the turians joined the conflict. For years the activities of the Spectres were a Council secret, but their role was made public after the Krogan Rebellions were over.

So Infiltrator is a perfect complement to the Spectres lore wise :P 

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 01:53

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mangiraffedog3 wrote...

Would be nice if cutscenes were class specific but I never found it too distracting, plus it would probably take a lot of work designing specific cutscenes for all the classes.


They could make just one or two and people would get the idea and make them happy:wizard:

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:01

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No. Pre-Service History, Psychological Profile, class, and Morality all depend on the player.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:05

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naledgeborn wrote...

No. Pre-Service History, Psychological Profile, class, and Morality all depend on the player.


Please read the topic and posts before you reply :)

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:14

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iRipper wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

No. Pre-Service History, Psychological Profile, class, and Morality all depend on the player.


Please read the topic and posts before you reply :)

I did. Cutscene Magic =/= Lore. Saren and Vasir were Vanguards. Default Shepard is a Soldier. Jack hacks Cerberus files on the Normandy SR-2 if you don't give her the Teltin files.

Just because you like Infiltrator class (I do too) doesn't make Shepard an Infiltrator outside of personal customization. 

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:15

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I almost always choose infiltrator. Not just because of those reasons though, but because it is the best class after soldier and more interesting.

I always play on hardcore or insane because I am.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:20

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naledgeborn wrote...

iRipper wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

No. Pre-Service History, Psychological Profile, class, and Morality all depend on the player.


Please read the topic and posts before you reply :)

I did. Cutscene Magic =/= Lore. Saren and Vasir were Vanguards. Default Shepard is a Soldier. Jack hacks Cerberus files on the Normandy SR-2 if you don't give her the Teltin files.

Just because you like Infiltrator class (I do too) doesn't make Shepard an Infiltrator outside of personal customization. 


Look, I'm not trying to persuade people to play Infiltrator, it's their personal preference on what their Shepard is as you said. All I'm trying to prove here is that Infiltrator ties the most neatly - GAMEPLAY, LORE, STORY and CUTSCENE wise :innocent: 

Also Infiltrator is not my fav class. Adept is. :P

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:27

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In the case of the Kasumi DLC. It was nothing but a badly veiled attempt to introduce a character for guys horny over japanese girls.... Think i'm wrong? Any reason why Kasumi has no dialogue on the Normandy 2? Ok, she says the same **** over, and over, and over again outside of a unique face-to-face which requires no animating // work. All they had to do, was insert her character model into the Normandy, into a still scene where talking to her is nothing more than a generic trigger which picks up on subtle changes in the gameplay and selections audio tracks to play. Also, this was nothing but a blatant James Bond rip off, lol.

As it seems, every half-assed moron in Mass Effect has the skills to hack terminals. Seriously. Some SERIOUS ****ing security needs to be updated.

Assuming tech // engineering goes hand-in-hand (based on other NPCs and squad-mates, i'e tali), then why does Shepard, more then once, get an option to basically say "What the **** are you talking about? This is way over my head."

Spectres aren't really 'stealthy'. They are off the grid, so you can't find them. Their files, research and everything is classified and can't be looked up (This type of security seems like it should be galaxy-wide for terminals...). The Normandy was a Turian//Human project. I'm pretty sure ANYONE with the money, would give the stealth systems to their ships. While it is used for recon // stealth missions, you have to realize thats not its ONLY function.

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:29

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Look at my banner, I approve mate!

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Posté 07 mai 2011 - 02:30

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omni-tools are standard issue for all alliance soldiers
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