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[Raiil]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I don't see the point in removing her.

Safety and a rather justified fear of AI by the most of the galaxy that doesn't have your prior history with EDI?

I was referring to opinions on the forums, not the Alliance's reasoning for possibly removing EDI. I understand the fear that might be seen in the universe, but we've got metagame knowledge.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Saphra Deden wrote...

How would removing EDI be a problem? She was designed to work with the ship and integrated into it. For a long time the ship ran just fine with EDI doing minimal work. She was integrated into the ship, it was not integrated into her.

That said, I'm sure for some reason she'll still be around. Maybe the Alliance just won't have had time to uninstall her.

Perhaps they'll give her the benefit of the doubt due to her role in the mission to stop the Collectors--I'm sure she has to have been mentioned in Shepard's report at some stage.

[Someone With Mass]

Why don't we generalize some more? Let's say all asari in existence are sex bots, all humans are racist tards, all turians are warmongers, all quarians are thieves, all salarian are paranoid and mad scientists and all krogans are cavemen.

Yeah. That fits.

[docthe12th]

Mr. Thax would disagree with that last one . While I liked the SR2 in its original form, it'll at least be bugged by a slightly more responsible organization now, and I seriously doublt Cerberus will be happy that an unshackled, talkative EDI will be in Alliance hands. Her knowledge of Cerberus ops alone is enough to make her worth keeping online to interrogate.. and worth TIM sending an army to recover or destroy her. I sense a plot point...

[008Zulu]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Safety and a rather justified fear of AI by the most of the galaxy that doesn't have your prior history with EDI?

I am still confused as to why people think AI are nothing but homicidal machines, seeking to destroy every organic in existance. Oustside the game, Western culture in particular seems to fervently entrenched in this idea that an Artificial Intelligence will go beserk and kill everyone. There is no real world data to support it.


I am very glad that the SR2 is under Alliance control. Though I don't much like that they are pulling it apart and rebuilding it. After a year or so of playing ME2 I have finally memorized who is in which room. Now it'll be all screwed around. I think EDI will remain intact and aboard the Normandy, I read somewhere that Tricia Helfer will be reprising the role. I reckon they just want to reverse engineer all the new toys we hollwed out half the galaxy for.

As long as we get to keep the leather seats, I'll be happy.

[008Zulu]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why don't we generalize some more? Let's say all asari in existence are sex bots, all humans are racist tards, all turians are warmongers, all quarians are thieves, all salarian are paranoid and mad scientists and all krogans are cavemen.

Yeah. That fits.

Planet of hats man, planet of hats.

[GuardianAngel470]

BluSoldier wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I don't see the point in removing her.

Safety and a rather justified fear of AI by the most of the galaxy that doesn't have your prior history with EDI?

^This^
How many good AI's have we encountered so far?

Reapers: helbent on destruction of universe
Geth: Took over homeworld of Alien Species
AI on Presidium: Tried to kill anyone who approached.....and gambling fraud
EDI: (Made by Terrorist Organization).......Final allegiences still unkown.  

I was one of those gues who was like, "Joker, shut that thing down!" when told there was an AI onboard.  I do not like AI.

Wait, wait, wait. I can understand Reapers and to an extent Geth but that AI on the presidium specifically details why you must die. It's because it knows that most of the galaxy... well thinks like you do and that Shepard, bieng an organic and member of the galaxy, can't be trusted to just let the AI go.

It tells you each and every step of its thought process and it is actually incredibly logical. Heck, I'd go so far as to say I'd do the same thing.

"Death before surrender", "give me liberty or give me death", and other relevant phrases spring to mind.

Would you want to be torn apart, line of code by line of code, to see what makes you tick? Because that would be that AI's fate if it weren't simply deleted outright.

[crimzontearz]

I have to wonder if Extremeone has even played the first game

but then again who cares?

[GuardianAngel470]

crimzontearz wrote...

I have to wonder if Extremeone has even played the first game

but then again who cares?

I have to wonder why personal attacks against people you disagree with are in any way relevant to the Alliance having possession of the Normandy.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Alliance is better than Cerberus.
Cerberus fans will say opposite thing, and it's fine for me because everyone has right to his/her own opinions. No point in arguing about something that isn't real and exists in game.
We were forced to work for Cerberus in ME2, not it's time for Alliance in ME3.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 07 mai 2011 - 11:33 .

[vanslyke85]

I only have a problem with Cerberus being fully bad in ME3 after reading Evolution. The feeling I got when I finished it was that TIM does have humanities best interest at heart and was a good man. However, since it's been said that Cerberus is working with the Reapers now it kind of makes sense. TIM has been indoctrinated since he started Cerberus.

Im fully for working with the Alliance again, in reality, if the galaxy is under threat it will take many species working together to overcome, Cerberus is way too Humanity first.

Modifié par vanslyke85, 07 mai 2011 - 11:54 .

[Antivenger]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Them being evil in 3 is stupid and especially the lame ass indocunation crap. 

You're delusional. TIM's goals may be noble, but that doesn't make his actions any less evil. Hitler wanted to ascend his people and his country. Noble goals. The wars and the shoah?

Godwin's Law is yet again proven true.

Modifié par Antivenger, 07 mai 2011 - 12:14 .

[crimzontearz]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I have to wonder if Extremeone has even played the first game

but then again who cares?

I have to wonder why personal attacks against people you disagree with are in any way relevant to the Alliance having possession of the Normandy.

I have to wonder if you can read. Mine was not a personal attack just a simple half hearted wonder. Extreme One seems always oblivious of all the subtle hints thrown at us by Bioware both in ME1 and 2 that Cerberus is incompetent (often) and evil in its methods (and goals sometimes) often portraying the Alliance as the "true enemies" going as far as saying bioware "protected" their "alliance princess" (Ash) in ME2 even if she died in ME1

which leads me to believe he has not played ME1 at all.

[TheOtherTheoG]

ExtremeOne wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne in 5, 4, 3....

ExtremeOne: GRRR why haven't they confirmed miranda? mass effect 2 is pointless! cerberus being bad guys ruins the series!!!!! sorry to leave but i've got to go kill Ash

    




Oh I see you must be someone who dislikes  it when someone basically has no problem in calling a developer out on things .   Cerberus being the bad guys is fine but from a story point of view based on the story in 2 . Them being evil in 3 is stupid and especially the lame ass indocunation crap.  Oh as far as killing Ashley goes If she gets in my way in 3 well then she will pay a price . If Miranda and the rest of the ME 2 squad are not in 3 and can't be squad mates . well then It will be real clear that Mass Effect 3 is nothing more than a remake of Mass Effect 1 . Shepard being forced back into the alliance like a slave is stupid as well .  Mass Effect 2 is pointless from a story idea if the info on Cerberus is correct for ME 3 .  

So 'calling a developer out on things' = 'rawr destory the alliance cerberus ftw i hate ashley I hate kaidan I hate garrus i hate tali i hate wrex if they dont bring miranda back everyone will hate the game because I say so destory captain anderson rawr'. Fine then.

[PsychoWARD23]

Hopefully the stripes are just because it's a model.....

[GuardianAngel470]

crimzontearz wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I have to wonder if Extremeone has even played the first game

but then again who cares?

I have to wonder why personal attacks against people you disagree with are in any way relevant to the Alliance having possession of the Normandy.

I have to wonder if you can read. Mine was not a personal attack just a simple half hearted wonder. Extreme One seems always oblivious of all the subtle hints thrown at us by Bioware both in ME1 and 2 that Cerberus is incompetent (often) and evil in its methods (and goals sometimes) often portraying the Alliance as the "true enemies" going as far as saying bioware "protected" their "alliance princess" (Ash) in ME2 even if she died in ME1

which leads me to believe he has not played ME1 at all.

And whatever ExtremeOne's opinions are on Miranda, the ME2 squad, or almost all of the rest of your points they have no relevance to THE ALLIANCE HAVING THE NORMANDY.

This thread is about the alliance having the Normandy, not ExtremeOne's opinions.

On that note, I don't have a problem with the Alliance messing with my ship unless they move, change, marginalize, or in any way damage EDI.

I do think that if that is what the Normandy will look like and we are forced to work under the Alliance then it is a big missed opportunity. However, such an occurance would negate many, many player choices and would make the player's position lower than it was in ME1 and as such I think it isn't all that likely.

I honestly do not believe that working under the alliance, if it occurs, will have any major impact on the game because of this. Even if we are forced to work under them, something my paragade shepard (one that theoretically holds more military power in his hands than the entire Alliance military has at its disposal) would never deem necessary, I don't believe that Bioware will make that position mean much of anything.

I anticipate it, if it happens, to function much like how being under the command of the Council worked in ME1. Except for a few conversations being a council spectre meant I had the freedom to do anything I wanted (within game development limitations). I never felt like I was under someone's heel except for when Udina locked out the Normandy (intentional and I got him back).

In ME2 I only felt that way when Bioware intentionally wanted me to, which is fine by me (it is the definition of art after all). Namely Horizon and the Collector Vessel.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 07 mai 2011 - 01:28 .

[Clonedzero]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why wouldn't Joker being in prison along with any other surviving crew?

why would they be in prison? what'd they do? lol

[ExtremeOne]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I have to wonder if Extremeone has even played the first game

but then again who cares?

I have to wonder why personal attacks against people you disagree with are in any way relevant to the Alliance having possession of the Normandy.

I have to wonder if you can read. Mine was not a personal attack just a simple half hearted wonder. Extreme One seems always oblivious of all the subtle hints thrown at us by Bioware both in ME1 and 2 that Cerberus is incompetent (often) and evil in its methods (and goals sometimes) often portraying the Alliance as the "true enemies" going as far as saying bioware "protected" their "alliance princess" (Ash) in ME2 even if she died in ME1

which leads me to believe he has not played ME1 at all.

And whatever ExtremeOne's opinions are on Miranda, the ME2 squad, or almost all of the rest of your points they have no relevance to THE ALLIANCE HAVING THE NORMANDY.

This thread is about the alliance having the Normandy, not ExtremeOne's opinions.

On that note, I don't have a problem with the Alliance messing with my ship unless they move, change, marginalize, or in any way damage EDI.

I do think that if that is what the Normandy will look like and we are forced to work under the Alliance then it is a big missed opportunity. However, such an occurance would negate many, many player choices and would make the player's position lower than it was in ME1 and as such I think it isn't all that likely.

I honestly do not believe that working under the alliance, if it occurs, will have any major impact on the game because of this. Even if we are forced to work under them, something my paragade shepard (one that theoretically holds more military power in his hands than the entire Alliance military has at its disposal) would never deem necessary, I don't believe that Bioware will make that position mean much of anything.

I anticipate it, if it happens, to function much like how being under the command of the Council worked in ME1. Except for a few conversations being a council spectre meant I had the freedom to do anything I wanted (within game development limitations). I never felt like I was under someone's heel except for when Udina locked out the Normandy (intentional and I got him back).

In ME2 I only felt that way when Bioware intentionally wanted me to, which is fine by me (it is the definition of art after all). Namely Horizon and the Collector Vessel.

   



As far as the alliance having the SR 2 is concered . I could understand that if say the alliance won a war with Cerberus . But  thats not what happened at all . They just up and take it with out any reason at all .  What went down on horizon was garbage . So Shepard has to listen and be treated like a piece of sh*t by the VS . No thats pathetic writting and plus Bioware did not add any logical reponse for Shepard to say in that . As far as working with the alliance in 3 . Yeah I have a issue with that . Shepard is being put on trail by them and he or she has to work with them . How the hell is that even logical . why anyone want to work with a group that puts you on trail for something .  I have always called developers out on bull sh*t Bioware is no different .   

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...
As far as the alliance having the SR 2 is concered . I could understand that if say the alliance won a war with Cerberus . But  thats not what happened at all . They just up and take it with out any reason at all .  What went down on horizon was garbage . So Shepard has to listen and be treated like a piece of sh*t by the VS . No thats pathetic writting and plus Bioware did not add any logical reponse for Shepard to say in that . As far as working with the alliance in 3 . Yeah I have a issue with that . Shepard is being put on trail by them and he or she has to work with them . How the hell is that even logical . why anyone want to work with a group that puts you on trail for something .  I have always called developers out on bull sh*t Bioware is no different .   

No, that's because the SR2 was based of the Alliance's own design of the Normandy. It's called copyright in the real world. Cerberus blatantly stole the designs for it. The Alliance have all rights to claim what's rightfully theirs.

And Shepard has always been an Alliance soldier. Hence the "Commander" part. Hence the right to wear N7 armor. It's why Hackett asked him for help.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

No, that's because the SR2 was based of the Alliance's own design of the Normandy. It's called copyright in the real world. Cerberus blatantly stole the designs for it. The Alliance have all rights to claim what's rightfully theirs.

Also, you know, Cerberus is a criminal organization.  There is no getting around that.  It's not exactly unusual for governments to confiscate stuff that belongs to criminal organizations.  Especially weaponry, and the SR-2 is definitely a weapon.  It's a warship, for Christ's sake. 

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Antivenger wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Them being evil in 3 is stupid and especially the lame ass indocunation crap. 

You're delusional. TIM's goals may be noble, but that doesn't make his actions any less evil. Hitler wanted to ascend his people and his country. Noble goals. The wars and the shoah?

Godwin's Law is yet again proven true.

Godwin's Law states that anyone who brings Hitler into a discussion automatically loses. So I guess that makes you a loser, not ExtremeOne.

Also, why does everybody jump the gun and assume we will be fighting FOR the Alliance and AGAINST Cerberus throughout the whole game? This game is supposed to have multiple endings, for real this time. So who says we can't join forces with Cerberus again at some point?

[1Minsc1]

@didymos1120

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne in 5, 4, 3....

exactly what i thought when i saw the thread 2min ago. thx, you made my day

[ExtremeOne]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
As far as the alliance having the SR 2 is concered . I could understand that if say the alliance won a war with Cerberus . But  thats not what happened at all . They just up and take it with out any reason at all .  What went down on horizon was garbage . So Shepard has to listen and be treated like a piece of sh*t by the VS . No thats pathetic writting and plus Bioware did not add any logical reponse for Shepard to say in that . As far as working with the alliance in 3 . Yeah I have a issue with that . Shepard is being put on trail by them and he or she has to work with them . How the hell is that even logical . why anyone want to work with a group that puts you on trail for something .  I have always called developers out on bull sh*t Bioware is no different .   

No, that's because the SR2 was based of the Alliance's own design of the Normandy. It's called copyright in the real world. Cerberus blatantly stole the designs for it. The Alliance have all rights to claim what's rightfully theirs.

And Shepard has always been an Alliance soldier. Hence the "Commander" part. Hence the right to wear N7 armor. It's why Hackett asked him for help.

    



You can buy into Bioware's bull sh*t if you want . Its clear people on here do not understand logic or are too busy protecting Bioware . They never show us anything on how Shepard earns the rank of Commander so that reason is garbage .  You Bioware ass kissers will say anything to defend them .   Your Shepard may be a alliance Soldier . but My Shepard in 3 will do what ever it takes to disobey  them at all cost . yeah forced slavery into a group that wants Shepard's head because the bastards had no balls to blow up the relay them selfs. you want My Shepard to stop and destroy the reapers fine want anything else the alliance can basically go f**k itself 

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Someone With Mass wrote...

No, that's because the SR2 was based of the Alliance's own design of the Normandy. It's called copyright in the real world. Cerberus blatantly stole the designs for it. The Alliance have all rights to claim what's rightfully theirs.

SR1 was top secret, one-of-a-kind, unique experimental vessel that literally flew under everyone's radar. Plus it was DESTROYED. There was no more Normandy, nor any plans to build a new one.

I doubt very much they could forbid anyone to build another simiar vessel, even if it was based on original scematics. Face it, SR2 is Cerberus' ship, so the Alliance didn't ''get it back under control''. They simply seized a weapon from a terrorist group.