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[sympathy4saren]

Do you think the fan backlash is shocking to them?

[Gibb_Shepard]

i think the backlash is a lot more than they were expecting.

[neppakyo]

Wonder if a BW employee would care to give their opinion on the backlash, also, have people not insult or whine to them.

I'm just curious to hear their personal opinion on the topic matter.

[SkittlesKat96]

They are just shocked/surprised at how rude some people are being lol. I see Bioware hate topics every week which usually get deleted before they get over two posts. (anyone remember that "I'm gonna f***** murder David Gaider" topic from right after DA 2 was released?)

[erynnar]

UGH! Seriously? Someone made a thread like that? Glad I missed it. That kind of thing pisses me off.

[Merced652]

I'm sure its all worth it for this large market opportunity that has apparently, suddenly, presented itself.

[IanPolaris]

I think so. At the very least I KNOW that Bioware is shocked and dismayed by the dismal Metacritic user rating that DA2 has gotten, and they have to be stunned and dissapointed at the sales figures. Sure DA2 will turn a profit, but given the sell-though numbers of DAO (and comparing it to ME to ME2) I am certain that BW expected much more robust sales. At the very least it seems to suggest that DA2's attempt to tap into the CoD audience has been a dismal failure.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Merced652 wrote...

I'm sure its all worth it for this large market opportunity that has apparently, suddenly, presented itself.

Except if you look at the estimated sell THROUGH figures (ignore the sell-in....that's phony data), DA2 doesn't seem to be tapping into it.

-Polaris

[scylis]

This is the Internet. If they are/have been/are going to be shocked by angry and resentful comments about their games, then they shouldn't have forums for them in the first place.

Again, this is the Internet: angry, resentful, hate-filled comments is our business, and bro, it be SRS.

Modifié par scylis, 07 mai 2011 - 06:14 .

[TRUTHMACHINE]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Do you think the fan backlash is shocking to them?

i think they are more shocked by the generally low critics reaction.

[IanPolaris]

scylis wrote...

This is the Internet. If they are/have been/are going to be shocked by angry and resentful comments about their games, then they shouldn't have forums for them in the first place.

Again, this is the Internet: angry, resentful, hate-filled comments is our business, and bro, it be SRS.

True,. but the resentful, hate-filled comments have come in conjunction with low metacritic scores (which is the lifeblood of games...don't think it's not) and very dissapointing sales numbers (compared to DAO).

That would (or at least should...it would tell me) tell Bioware that they seriously misread their market.

JIMHO.

-Polaris

[Pious_Augustus]

They are too busy protecting their own who took over Dragon Age 2 and banning customers who most likely wont preorder future Bioware products because of this situation

[Morroian]

IanPolaris wrote...

True,. but the resentful, hate-filled comments have come in conjunction with low metacritic scores (which is the lifeblood of games...don't think it's not) and very dissapointing sales numbers (compared to DAO).

Metacritic scores that were manipulated by an organised campaign, sell through numbers presumably based on the notoriously unreliable vgchartz. Metacritic user scores cannot be taken seriously now.

[Romantiq]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

They are just shocked/surprised at how rude some people are being lol. I see Bioware hate topics every week which usually get deleted before they get over two posts. (anyone remember that "I'm gonna f***** murder David Gaider" topic from right after DA 2 was released?)

Thats.. a little extreme Commander.

[Kail Ashton]

I'm sure they're as shocked as the rest of us with working brains & common sense at how childisly ridiculous everyone here acted (and still do) leting any random troll who makes up any random bull completely influence you're opinions as most of you apparantly can't form your own

I'm sure they're shocked to find out what rabid animals you all are to so quickly turn and bare fangs at the hand that feeds you over the stupidest nonsense despite all your claims of how much you love bioware you're always so quick to immedietly and viciously turn on them

I'm sure they're shocked by all of this and more of you'e inane garbage like this very "bioware please look at me!" thread

[Altima Darkspells]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Do you think the fan backlash is shocking to them?

Doubtful.  They knew the sort of game they were putting out.  They knew, for example, that reusing the same areas over and over wouldn't go over well--from Mass Effect of all places.  They knew there was a reason that they didn't shoehorn Mass Effect elements into Dragon Age (when they actually did try in Origins).

Remember, they've had much, much longer than the fans to rationalize or simply drink themselves under and pretend it never happened.

[Jerrybnsn]

Morroian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

True,. but the resentful, hate-filled comments have come in conjunction with low metacritic scores (which is the lifeblood of games...don't think it's not) and very dissapointing sales numbers (compared to DAO).

Metacritic scores that were manipulated by an organised campaign, sell through numbers presumably based on the notoriously unreliable vgchartz. Metacritic user scores cannot be taken seriously now.

It's my understanding that anyone can vote on the user score for metacritic and it's still open for voting so the score can change over time.  They tried to say the same thing about metacritic when Portal 2 came out, and there was even an article written about it that week criticizing metacritic because of all the low scores.  Well after just one's week work of votes from users, Portal 2 had a positve rating of 7 to 1 over negative ratings.  In fact,  when I was reading about this Portal 2, I liked it so much I went out and bought it. 

[Travie]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Morroian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

True,. but the resentful, hate-filled comments have come in conjunction with low metacritic scores (which is the lifeblood of games...don't think it's not) and very dissapointing sales numbers (compared to DAO).

Metacritic scores that were manipulated by an organised campaign, sell through numbers presumably based on the notoriously unreliable vgchartz. Metacritic user scores cannot be taken seriously now.

It's my understanding that anyone can vote on the user score for metacritic and it's still open for voting so the score can change over time.  They tried to say the same thing about metacritic when Portal 2 came out, and there was even an article written about it that week criticizing metacritic because of all the low scores.  Well after just one's week work of votes from users, Portal 2 had a positve rating of 7 to 1 over negative ratings.  In fact,  when I was reading about this Portal 2, I liked it so much I went out and bought it. 

Well, Portal 2 was getting bad reviews because it was trying to 'cash in' in an exploitive way with day 1 DLC and a shop as well. 

DA2 is getting bad reviews because it wasn't a very good game.

There is a pretty big difference. 

[mindbody]

I think they were planning on an initial response of anger from those who disliked the changes, but I believe they thought it would quickly improve, like ME2's reception, where many people eventually realized the changes were for the better.... Unfortunately for them, and for us, that was not so.

If they are stunned, they should understand that people are passionate about the Dragon Age IP and about DA:O. They didn't think it was broken to the point of needing all this fixing.

I for one was holding out hope that the Dragon Age IP would beget a roleplaying renaissance which would entice other companies to invest the resources into roleplaying-heavy games. Others had the same hopes. Many see the opposite happening instead, and they are crying out against it.

[IanPolaris]

I will tell you this. Bioware cares about DA2's metacritic score. Almost all game companies do pay close attention to the rating.

-Polaris

[Jerrybnsn]

mindbody wrote...

I for one was holding out hope that the Dragon Age IP would beget a roleplaying renaissance which would entice other companies to invest the resources into roleplaying-heavy games. Others had the same hopes. Many see the opposite happening instead, and they are crying out against it.

And that is what people want, an old school RPG, with up to date graphics and wrapped around an epic tale that only Bioware can (or use to be able to) tell.

Here's the begining of a preview article written just a couple of months before Origins was released:

"BioWare has been good to RPG fans over the years, with games like Mass Effect and Jade Empire. But for players that prefer elves and orcs to aliens and kung fu, it’s been a long wait for a more traditional, D&D-style adventure. With Dragon Age’s release just a few months away, the wait is almost over. After some more hands-on time with the PC version, it seems all of BioWare’s hard work is ready to pay off."

And boy did it sure pay off.  Dragon Age Origins became, and still is, the most succesful Bioware game to date. And it's sequal?....well, it's now considered Bioware's weakest game ever and that's because they moved away from that traditional D&D style adventure.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 07 mai 2011 - 08:25 .

[Shadowbanner]

Kail Ashton wrote...

I'm sure they're as shocked as the rest of us with working brains & common sense at how childisly ridiculous everyone here acted (and still do) leting any random troll who makes up any random bull completely influence you're opinions as most of you apparantly can't form your own

I'm sure they're shocked to find out what rabid animals you all are to so quickly turn and bare fangs at the hand that feeds you over the stupidest nonsense despite all your claims of how much you love bioware you're always so quick to immedietly and viciously turn on them

I'm sure they're shocked by all of this and more of you'e inane garbage like this very "bioware please look at me!" thread

With respect, what a load of crap.

What are we expected to do? Suck it up? Are we just a drone that has to accept every game given to us with a weak smile and cannot even question its mediocrity?

I understand you getting upset when, for example, some people write ME2 is garbage. Objectively imo one cannot really say that as its been both a critically-acclaimed and commercial success. I'd say ME2 was less enjoybale than ME1 and would rate it lower, but you cannot really think it was garbagar because it was a great game (although with striped down RPG elements).

But in the case of DA2 the flaws are simply glaring. It doesn't matter how much I like and admire BioWare, I'll voice my discontetnt because I'm a PAYING CUSTOMER after all. I'm not whining, the game is simply that bad. It has no replayability, unless you actually enjoy trudging through the same re-used dungeon another 10 times in a second playthrough. Maybe you enjoy this, I don't, to each their own.

If Metacritic scores can be manipulated so easily, then why haven't they already turned the score round to an 8/10 for example?

Maybe, just maybe, its because real people are voting DA2 negatively on Metacritic as well as in other websites.

I was one of them.

And in case you've missed the following thread in this very forum, you'll notice a trend is building, 19/20 registered users are voting DA2 with a lower score than DA:O Is that manipulated as well by 4Chan and company?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you rate DA2?

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol you waste your time on these rabid animals, they're mindless and allow themselves to follow any group mind mentality, the more negative (no matter how absurd or untrue) is  like yyummy dog snacks to these creatures

bioware is wise to delay ME3 to work on expanding it to a wider audiance as it's current audiance are backstabbing garbage

And to close, you have the cheek of labelling all those who criticise DA2 as "backstabbing garbage". Seriously? If anyone here has been backstabbed it us, the DAO fans. We DID NOT ask for the changes BioWare has brought about to DA:O. DA:O should have been the blueprint on which they should have worked to improve on the formula adding (not removing) new things. In any case, forgetting it is a sequel to a great RPG, taken by itself, DA2 is an apallinglly mediocre game however way you look at it. Rushed and unpolished.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 07 mai 2011 - 09:25 .

[mindbody]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

I mean that is a classic example of a defensive behavior brought on by the stress of a shocking situation that forces people into the "fight or flight" response.

Interesting. I disagree, though.  I'm pretty sure Mr. Laidlaw was coached by marketing or there was a meeting on how they should publicly respond to certain criticism; and I'm sure they anticipated these questions given the response on these fora. 

I'll say this though.  The best way to overcome an objection is not to ignore or belittle it.  Mr. Laidlaw should acknowledge it, rephrase it in his own words, and empathize. Then he should at least attempt to explain why the player would get a better experience on different difficulty levels, not just "play it on hard." Then he should point out specific parts of the game which are not dumbed-down.  Then he should say he will take the criticism to heart for future titles.  Doesn't matter if it's a load of crap - that' how you're supposed to handle it.  He definitely made the problem worse, instead.

[erynnar]

Kail Ashton wrote...

I'm sure they're as shocked as the rest of us with working brains & common sense at how childisly ridiculous everyone here acted (and still do) leting any random troll who makes up any random bull completely influence you're opinions as most of you apparantly can't form your own

I'm sure they're shocked to find out what rabid animals you all are to so quickly turn and bare fangs at the hand that feeds you over the stupidest nonsense despite all your claims of how much you love bioware you're always so quick to immedietly and viciously turn on them

I'm sure they're shocked by all of this and more of you'e inane garbage like this very "bioware please look at me!" thread

Funny, how people are allowed to express their opinions liking and not liking the game. And even more interesting, the problems listed on both the official Constructive Crit and the Reviews threads all have the same things listed as being wrong with the game. And even funnier than that...GASP...they are the same things from people who couldn't enjoy the game due to those problems and those that were able to over look them to enjoy the game.  And even weirder than that?  HUGE GASP!!!! We all agree more than we disagree.

Now why don't you go find that nice bridge I hear calling your name? Better be quick, I heard a billy goat named Gruff was going to cross it, so you'd better be there to stop him! Unless you'd like to offer some really constructive, non-insulting, holier-than-thou criticism and actual...I dunno...thoughts?

Oh, I wonder, if you went to your favorite restaurant and ordered a meal and instead of food you got a plate of **** (I am not saying the game is, it is bleh, not ****e) and a glass of ******, would you complain, or would you just eat it and drink up? I am really hoping you would complain.

Modifié par erynnar, 07 mai 2011 - 08:31 .