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[Chromie]

virumor wrote...

http://www.lo-ping.o...sode-iii-and-v/

That was hilarious.

[Blastback]

I've been listening to the score on youtube. Awesome stuff. the class themes, and Revan's Mask, wow. Just amazing.

And I'm loving playing a fricking Red Sith! Both my Warrior and Inquisitor are Pure Bloods. So cool they let me do that.

My main is still a human lightside Trooper, but I'm enjoying all the classes so far.

[Elhanan]

While I personally do not care for the path of ME3, both TOR and Bioware have my support going forward. Rather have the Bioware stories and support in which to play games than the other products seen for sale.

[Melra]

Cancelling my subscription, the game isn't for gamer like me who enjoys competitive play online. It's better for those who just enjoy making new character after reaching level cap with another. While I enjoyed the game's story and leveling process the end game is horribly boring and didn't last for me and I don't have time to wait going through boring phase, simply to wait for more content. Leveling an alt is pretty much out of the question, because I've found my main class already and I want to take that character further, not start over with another one.

I expect the game to survive for quite awhile, but I don't expect too high amount of subcribers. The story and all was nice continuation for Kotors and I managed to wrap it up, nothing more to see.

[Blastback]

It does feel to me like the game was geared more towards casual players than competitive. Though I expect that to change a bit in the future.

[Elhanan]

Melrache wrote...

Cancelling my subscription, the game isn't for gamer like me who enjoys competitive play online. It's better for those who just enjoy making new character after reaching level cap with another. While I enjoyed the game's story and leveling process the end game is horribly boring and didn't last for me and I don't have time to wait going through boring phase, simply to wait for more content. Leveling an alt is pretty much out of the question, because I've found my main class already and I want to take that character further, not start over with another one.

I expect the game to survive for quite awhile, but I don't expect too high amount of subcribers. The story and all was nice continuation for Kotors and I managed to wrap it up, nothing more to see. :)

Edit: Mine

Says the poster with the portrait of the swimsuit lovely emerging from the pool. Did one judge how she looked, was attired, even if this was a she, etc. before watching the clip?

I am a player that will use a couple of alts, but cannot try them all as the controls are beyond my skill. But this is not the game for me, no matter how many folks say it is fact. For me, the game is story, and I am contrent with one or three.

Folks may judge the game as they wish, but I would much rather wait for coming quality content than have the team drop any old plot hook into the mix. And while I prefer to play solo, does not mean I am not competitive; simply prefer to play against the standards I expect in my own play, and not from others.

Simply based on some current snowberries I have seen, I believe I choose rather well....

[Melra]

How does my avatar have anything to do with the game? That's just stupid.

I've played the game, probably more than you have so far. I know what I am talking about, I am not saying that some people can't find it enjoyable, but I am saying that players like me, who are quite large group among the MMO playerbase, won't enjoy it in it's current state. Not for long at least. It's my money, I do as I please with it. The game ain't worth the money for me, atm.

The story element is great, but it doesn't last for long, especially if you aren't interested in more than one or two classes. I completed my sith warrior's journey, the PVE is like in this other MMO that I used to play back in the day, except that it seems even more dull. PVP is pretty boring after you reach rank 60ish and have nothing to do.

So stop being a fanboi and learn to accept differing opinions.

[Makavellie]

i might pick up this game soon. how is the pvp? i heard the game lacks end content, so i was going to wait a few months

[Melra]

Makavellie wrote...

i might pick up this game soon. how is the pvp? i heard the game lacks end content, so i was going to wait a few months

I say wait a bit longer, until they add more content. The PVP is really lacking at this point. There are only three warzones and with Empire you're stuck with mainly just one of them, Huttball. They said they'll add an extra WZ soon. However the WPVP is pretty horrible, imo.

[Chromie]

Melrache wrote...
The story element is great, but it doesn't last for long, especially if you aren't interested in more than one or two classes. I completed my sith warrior's journey, the PVE is like in this other MMO that I used to play back in the day, except that it seems even more dull. PVP is pretty boring after you reach rank 60ish and have nothing to do.

So stop being a fanboi and learn to accept differing opinions.

And that is my biggest problem with Old Republic. Story is finite and at level 50 there is much to do. The way questing is handled and presented is great but since everything is voice acted there are only a handful of quests on each planet. What took me over 7 months in Vanilla WoW took me 10 days in TOR to reach level cap. Because of this many people are finishing up their class story and looking for something else to do. THere is a lack of progression also. I reached level 50 ran a few flashpoints for gear and with enough time ran hardmodes and that's it. Raids aren't very hard or challenging and I'd argue that flashpoint hardmodes were more difficult than Operation hardmodes. 

I get it story is nice but Bioware has to get over themselves. Ohlen actually had the nerve to say Old Republic is innovative. It's anything but innovative. I'm waiting for more content and running the new stuff just added but still this game was released 6 months too early. What's worse is this MMO plays like WoW but even than its missing some basic stuff and worse the ability delay makes combat a pain.

I still like the game but there is nothing that Old Republic offers that I didn't get from WoW. Crafting especially is a big let down. I crafted a lot and miss SWG's crafting so obviously I'll find ToR system inferior. Bioware had a great idea but being a themepark MMO crafting takes a backseat to PvE and PvP content.

Modifié par Ringo12, 22 janvier 2012 - 07:47 .

[Elhanan]

Melrache wrote...

How does my avatar have anything to do with the game? That's just stupid.

I've played the game, probably more than you have so far. I know what I am talking about, I am not saying that some people can't find it enjoyable, but I am saying that players like me, who are quite large group among the MMO playerbase, won't enjoy it in it's current state. Not for long at least. It's my money, I do as I please with it. The game ain't worth the money for me, atm.

The story element is great, but it doesn't last for long, especially if you aren't interested in more than one or two classes. I completed my sith warrior's journey, the PVE is like in this other MMO that I used to play back in the day, except that it seems even more dull. PVP is pretty boring after you reach rank 60ish and have nothing to do.

So stop being a fanboi and learn to accept differing opinions.

Your avatar was used as an example of waiting before passing judgement; not doing so is what lacks sense, be it anyone.

Several may have played the game more than myself, but time in game does not equate to quality play. Players that scale to the end game content, then bolt because they must wait for further quality material appear to be rather short-sighted to me.
 
And skipping to play an alt with a different story - possibly even better than the one you enjoyed - also seems somewhat bewildering. Your call, but as each story is mostly different with only a few missions that overlap, this would seem to indicate a high amt of replay value, as opposed to many single player games. I can empathize that the main will always be the primary story of heart, but there may be those that you might enjoy even more. I have played enough to discover this for myself, even if my own choices are more restricted due to mechanics.

Personally, I loathe PvP. I  may try it later on when the Griefers are eliminated for good to test builds, apart from the AI. But the game offers enough choices that one may choose and select a few ways to play, though I guess quitting is one of them too.

Yep; am a Bioware fanboy, but I do not speak out of blind loyalty (eg; ref to ME 3), but offer another opinion to one that says that is all there is to see, for that is your call.

Bioware offers several different tales of adventure, and is already placing new content in the game. These are facts; not opinions. To dismiss them is your choice; simply illuminating that point.

Toodles!

[Melra]

Yeah, I agree. I didn't really bother to do PVE too much, after I reached 50. I did one of the Illum flashpoints, while it was great, the story element just kinda makes it one time thing. They're great, but the flashpoint lack replayability imo, simply because the BW sets itself a standard with the first run through and the second run through is nowhere near as interesting.

You get the best gear through PVP, it's great for PVE, even better than the raid gear tbh. Even with expertise on it. As people have said, if you want to copy everything from previous games, at least do them better or at least as well as those games.

I enjoyed the fact that it was possible to level crafting skills while AFK or offline, but otherwise I saw no use for them, except for Biochem. Especially as melee class, the ability delay could really hurt your damage. You try to use an ability and it won't go off instantly, the target moves and it won't get done at all or it's an AoE and it misses the target. While at the same time Troopers/BHs/sorcs/sages/snipers/gunslingers can just sit there and do damage.

It didn't completely ruin the experience for me, but it did make me miss WoW, the game that I hadn't been playing in a quite awhile. It made me value the game's responsiveness quite a lot more.

[Melra]

Elhanan wrote...

Melrache wrote...

How does my avatar have anything to do with the game? That's just stupid.

I've played the game, probably more than you have so far. I know what I am talking about, I am not saying that some people can't find it enjoyable, but I am saying that players like me, who are quite large group among the MMO playerbase, won't enjoy it in it's current state. Not for long at least. It's my money, I do as I please with it. The game ain't worth the money for me, atm.

The story element is great, but it doesn't last for long, especially if you aren't interested in more than one or two classes. I completed my sith warrior's journey, the PVE is like in this other MMO that I used to play back in the day, except that it seems even more dull. PVP is pretty boring after you reach rank 60ish and have nothing to do.

So stop being a fanboi and learn to accept differing opinions.

Your avatar was used as an example of waiting before passing judgement; not doing so is what lacks sense, be it anyone.

Aren't you doing just that right now? Passing judgement, before waiting? Just because I enjoy having a beautiful women as my avatar, doesn't tell a whole a lot about me. You don't really make any sense.

I see the game as it is in it's current state and I know it's not for me. You're in no position to tell me otherwise, because only I know what kind of game is for me. I am not saying that I'll never return to the game, if they manage to fix things, but as it is now, the game isn't worth my money.

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

And that is my biggest problem with Old Republic. Story is finite and at level 50 there is much to do. The way questing is handled and presented is great but since everything is voice acted there are only a handful of quests on each planet. What took me over 7 months in Vanilla WoW took me 10 days in TOR to reach level cap. Because of this many people are finishing up their class story and looking for something else to do. THere is a lack of progression also. I reached level 50 ran a few flashpoints for gear and with enough time ran hardmodes and that's it. Raids aren't very hard or challenging and I'd argue that flashpoint hardmodes were more difficult than Operation hardmodes. 

I get it story is nice but Bioware has to get over themselves. Ohlen actually had the nerve to say Old Republic is innovative. It's anything but innovative. I'm waiting for more content and running the new stuff just added but still this game was released 6 months too early. What's worse is this MMO plays like WoW but even than its missing some basic stuff and worse the ability delay makes combat a pain.

I still like the game but there is nothing that Old Republic offers that I didn't get from WoW. Crafting especially is a big let down. I crafted a lot and miss SWG's crafting so obviously I'll find ToR system inferior. Bioware had a great idea but being a themepark MMO crafting takes a backseat to PvE and PvP content.

I would say making an MMO story based is innovative, unless I have missed seeing this offered before. Full VO? No Ewoks or Pandas? There seems like a lot for to enjoy, and I am choosing to skip almost all of the m/p aspects.

Now I cannot compare MMO's; not played another, and will most likely not going to do so, as this is the stuff I dislike the most. While some have sped ahead to endgame content, others have not. My pacing is going to be much slower due to mechanics and wanting to play comprehesive stories.

For myself, sometimes the mechanics may restrict my play from choosing to speed ahead to uncover the main story, but there is plenty to do in each lvl besides this. And while I dislike Crafting as a rule, I look forward to gaining some benefit from this system because my Companions may do most or all the work for me. Any rewards are a bonus; not something that is needed for play.

Folks wanna gripe, that is their right, I guess. But I shall use mine to give kudos instead.

[Elhanan]

Melrache wrote...

Aren't you doing just that right now? Passing judgement, before waiting? Just because I enjoy having a beautiful women as my avatar, doesn't tell a whole a lot about me. You don't really make any sense.

I see the game as it is in it's current state and I know it's not for me. You're in no position to tell me otherwise, because only I know what kind of game is for me. I am not saying that I'll never return to the game, if they manage to fix things, but as it is now, the game isn't worth my money.

Nope; don't believe I am; waited to watch your avatar completely before mentioning it, even if it appears to violate the Forum rules (see Rule #2).

You see what you choose to see, leaving seven other possible stories unplayed, as well as the future content. Now I completely understand that paying for something your unwilling to try makes the choice to bolt a bit easier, but spilling the whine on Bioware's shirt seems in poor taste. That is my call, at least.

Modifié par Elhanan, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[Romantiq]

Oh snap! Someone has a different opinion than me! That means I have to get them banned because of....stuff...like...their avatar...

I played the game. Jedi storyline is awful. Sith is a lot more fun, but it doesn't last. PVP in the game is non existent and I am not going to continue my subscription. Maybe once the game gets fixed but I am pretty sure it'll become F2P/P2W before that.

Modifié par Romantiq, 22 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[Melra]

Elhanan wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Aren't you doing just that right now? Passing judgement, before waiting? Just because I enjoy having a beautiful women as my avatar, doesn't tell a whole a lot about me. You don't really make any sense.

I see the game as it is in it's current state and I know it's not for me. You're in no position to tell me otherwise, because only I know what kind of game is for me. I am not saying that I'll never return to the game, if they manage to fix things, but as it is now, the game isn't worth my money.

Nope; don't believe I am; waited to watch your avatar completely before mentioning it, even if it appears to violate the Forum rules (see Rule #2).

You see what you choose to see, leaving seven other possible stories unplayed, as well as the future content. Now I completely understand that paying for something your unwilling to try makes the choice to bolt a bit easier, but spilling the whine on Bioware's shirt seems in poor taste. That is my call, at least.

I have no interest in the other stories, I've tried most of them already and they weren't what I am looking for. That's not what I am looking for in this game anyway, I am not looking for an altfest, if their whole plan for end game was simply to have a person to start new character, they should've said so and I would've stayed clear. 

A lot of people agree with my views on the game, not all of them quit, since they think it's worth the time to wait for changes. Patch 1.1 didn't do too much good for the game, it made it mostly just worse, in my opinion, if the changes I am about to see in the future are similar, then I rather quit and wait for it to change for the better or jump into Guild Wars 2.

Also on the avatar, it's just a beautiful woman in a bikini. Nothing wrong with bikinis. She's not naked, she's doing nothing other than simply coming out of a pool. Maybe you're weirdly religious person with something against simple thing like that, I don't know nor do I care. I've had the avatar for a long time and no complaints. Not even from mods, when they've PMed me and surely seen my avatar. So how about you just shut it up and let those who've been tasked to watch over the forums, do their jobs and leave the judging for the people who are in the right mind for doing so?

[Elhanan]

Romantiq wrote...

Oh snap! Someone has a different opinion than me! That means I have to get them banned because of....stuff...like...their avatar...

I played the game. Jedi storyline is awful. Sith is a lot more fun, but it doesn't last. PVP in the game is non existent and I am not going to continue my subscription. Maybe once the game gets fixed but I am pretty sure it'll become F2P/P2W before that.

Don't recall reading what your opinion is, and your avatar seems fine. Or was this an attempt at sarcasm towards someone with ... wait for it... a differing opinion?

I have also played the game, and cannot say what the JK storyline is like yet, as it is one I may not be able to play very well. But I liked the Jedi C storyline quite a bit;  and the Sith version even more. Guess different takes for differing tastes, huh?

As for folks leaving: Toodles!

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...
I would say making an MMO story based is innovative, unless I have missed seeing this offered before. Full VO? No Ewoks or Pandas? There seems like a lot for to enjoy, and I am choosing to skip almost all of the m/p aspects.

Now I cannot compare MMO's; not played another, and will most likely not going to do so, as this is the stuff I dislike the most. While some have sped ahead to endgame content, others have not. My pacing is going to be much slower due to mechanics and wanting to play comprehesive stories.

For myself, sometimes the mechanics may restrict my play from choosing to speed ahead to uncover the main story, but there is plenty to do in each lvl besides this. And while I dislike Crafting as a rule, I look forward to gaining some benefit from this system because my Companions may do most or all the work for me. Any rewards are a bonus; not something that is needed for play.

Folks wanna gripe, that is their right, I guess. But I shall use mine to give kudos instead.

First, story has ALWAYS, I repeat, always been apart of MMOs. The only difference between say WoW and TOR is how the story is presented. In WoW you have to read, I know sounds horrible, but you'll find some truly great material. I know it was amazing for me to get my petrified leaf in Molten Core and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what to do with it. I met some great hunters because of this quest and we helped each other out it was great. Old Republic has a great way of removing the grind from questing. The problem is there aren't many quests.

You completely disreguarded what I said about questing in TOR. There isn't much of it. I didn't skip dialogue please don't say I rushed because a lot of people now are hitting level cap with out rushing. Like I said before there is only a handful of quests on any given planet it took me 10 days (not 10 days worth of time) to reach level 50 while say WoW took me over 6 months during Vanilla and EQ took much longer. Once I reached level 50 my class quest is over so you know what I did? Basically the same thing I did in WoW. Farm hardmodes for gear, do my dailies..daily and PvP because the pvp gear is so much easier to get than anything else. 

Crafting, may just be a bonus to you. Clearly you haven't seen games like Eve Online or Star Wars Galaxies were crafting itself is just as much an endgame as say raiding. I get that Old Republic is a themepark MMO but when Daniel Erickson said "The best stuff is always going to come from other players, and then be made by other players. There will be stuff that you can craft that is among the best stuff in the entire game. So very close to the top tier that you could get for anything" I have to admit I was excited for what Bioware would unviel. What we have is nothing like that. What's worse is crafting in this MMO removes the social aspect. I remember in SWG incubating pets for people and I had a good buddy who would make me ship parts or another who made my gear. It was very social and in TOR all Crew Skills are self sufficient, which should NEVER have happened, so I don't even need to go out of my way to make well anything. 

Daniel Erickson quote is here. 

http://massively.joy...afting-and-pvp/

"I can't talk too much about it, but you are going to be able to make stuff that is among the top stuff on the entire servers. And there are going to be people who know things that almost nobody else on the server knows how to do....The best stuff is always going to come from other players, and then be made by other players. There will be stuff that you can craft that is among the best stuff in the entire game. So very close to the top tier that you could get for anything." 

This is just simply not true. The best stuff either comes from Hardmode Operations or high level pvp gear. Crafted gear isn't even on par with the tier 1 gear because the Rakata mods are better than what we can make. I love crafting so this really sucks for me.

[Elhanan]

Melrache wrote...

I have no interest in the other stories, I've tried most of them already and they weren't what I am looking for. That's not what I am looking for in this game anyway, I am not looking for an altfest, if their whole plan for end game was simply to have a person to start new character, they should've said so and I would've stayed clear. 

A lot of people agree with my views on the game, not all of them quit, since they think it's worth the time to wait for changes. Patch 1.1 didn't do too much good for the game, it made it mostly just worse, in my opinion, if the changes I am about to see in the future are similar, then I rather quit and wait for it to change for the better or jump into Guild Wars 2.

Guess I tried to minimize my surprises ahead of time, but that is me.  And I am not an alt-fest player; just one that wants to see what I can, as I enjoyed a few of the stories.

Where we really differ is that I prefer not to spit on the hand that feeds me as some here are quick to do, esp on their other Forums. But that is me, also.

Also on the avatar, it's just a beautiful woman in a bikini. Nothing wrong with bikinis. She's not naked, she's doing nothing other than simply coming out of a pool. Maybe you're weirdly religious person with something against simple thing like that, I don't know nor do I care. I've had the avatar for a long time and no complaints. Not even from mods, when they've PMed me and surely seen my avatar. So how about you just shut it up and let those who've been tasked to watch over the forums, do their jobs and leave the judging for the people who are in the right mind for doing so?

It violates the rules posted because it is animated, but I can see where actually reading and comprehending said content might be problematic for one finishing end game content at this point. So I do not believe I will shut it, but thanks for the courteous invite.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...
Where we really differ is that I prefer not to spit on the hand that feeds me as some here are quick to do, esp on their other Forums. But that is me, also.

Not sure if your talking about the forum rules or the game now. If it's about TOR well we pay for a service and if Bioware wants to do a WoW clone the least they could do is make sure it performs just as well. 

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

First, story has ALWAYS, I repeat, always been apart of MMOs. The only difference between say WoW and TOR is how the story is presented. In WoW you have to read, I know sounds horrible, but you'll find some truly great material. I know it was amazing for me to get my petrified leaf in Molten Core and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what to do with it. I met some great hunters because of this quest and we helped each other out it was great. Old Republic has a great way of removing the grind from questing. The problem is there aren't many quests.

You completely disreguarded what I said about questing in TOR. There isn't much of it. I didn't skip dialogue please don't say I rushed because a lot of people now are hitting level cap with out rushing. Like I said before there is only a handful of quests on any given planet it took me 10 days (not 10 days worth of time) to reach level 50 while say WoW took me over 6 months during Vanilla and EQ took much longer. Once I reached level 50 my class quest is over so you know what I did? Basically the same thing I did in WoW. Farm hardmodes for gear, do my dailies..daily and PvP because the pvp gear is so much easier to get than anything else. 

Crafting, may just be a bonus to you. Clearly you haven't seen games like Eve Online or Star Wars Galaxies were crafting itself is just as much an endgame as say raiding. I get that Old Republic is a themepark MMO but when Daniel Erickson said "The best stuff is always going to come from other players, and then be made by other players. There will be stuff that you can craft that is among the best stuff in the entire game. So very close to the top tier that you could get for anything" I have to admit I was excited for what Bioware would unviel. What we have is nothing like that. What's worse is crafting in this MMO removes the social aspect. I remember in SWG incubating pets for people and I had a good buddy who would make me ship parts or another who made my gear. It was very social and in TOR all Crew Skills are self sufficient, which should NEVER have happened, so I don't even need to go out of my way to make well anything. 

Daniel Erickson quote is here. 

http://massively.joy...afting-and-pvp/

"I can't talk too much about it, but you are going to be able to make stuff that is among the top stuff on the entire servers. And there are going to be people who know things that almost nobody else on the server knows how to do....The best stuff is always going to come from other players, and then be made by other players. There will be stuff that you can craft that is among the best stuff in the entire game. So very close to the top tier that you could get for anything." 

This is just simply not true. The best stuff either comes from Hardmode Operations or high level pvp gear. Crafted gear isn't even on par with the tier 1 gear because the Rakata mods are better than what we can make. I love crafting so this really sucks for me.

Whether silent (eg; DAO) or fully VO (eg; TOR),  almost any Bioware story bests those seen by the others. Placing story as the priority is innovative to me; not just included as part of the game. IMO.

I see tons of quests, and some require reading, too; not fully VO. Hard to believe one covered all of these in 10 days, but I am poor at the mechanics.

And while Crafting may or may not require tuning, it is still optional; am good with it myself, though I admit I could have probably used the earlier Slicing bonuses.

Now while I will most likely not explore Crafting much at all, there were supposedly some unique recipes for artisans, and one was supposed to stamp their family name on them, as I recall. Is this not in the game yet? If not in yet, you have my sympathy, as I understood that there was not to be simply any one way to gain best gear; all roads had access to great items.

That said, I know more Grey Side items were to be included later for my chosen style play, so I still have fuiture content to anticipate.

Folks have the right to complain, as is the right not to do so; simply wish more people chose the latter.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...
Whether silent (eg; DAO) or fully VO (eg; TOR),  almost any Bioware story bests those seen by the others. Placing story as the priority is innovative to me; not just included as part of the game. IMO.

I see tons of quests, and some require reading, too; not fully VO. Hard to believe one covered all of these in 10 days, but I am poor at the mechanics.

And while Crafting may or may not require tuning, it is still optional; am good with it myself, though I admit I could have probably used the earlier Slicing bonuses.

Now while I will most likely not explore Crafting much at all, there were supposedly some unique recipes for artisans, and one was supposed to stamp their family name on them, as I recall. Is this not in the game yet? If not in yet, you have my sympathy, as I understood that there was not to be simply any one way to gain best gear; all roads had access to great items.

That said, I know more Grey Side items were to be included later for my chosen style play, so I still have fuiture content to anticipate.

Folks have the right to complain, as is the right not to do so; simply wish more people chose the latter.

No just no. Bioware aren't the best writers maybe in the MMO genre but even then Vanilla WoW had some great writing and Burning Crusade wasn't so bad. CCP also is working on World of Darkness and are already saying the world will react to your choices and consequences something Old Republic does not. Obsidian > Bioware anyday but that's neither here or there.

I didn't say I completed everything but I have fully completed all the quests on

Korriban
Dromund Kaas
Nar Shadaa
Tatooine
Alderaan
Quesh
Hoth
Belsavis
Ilum

There isn't much compared to the 3000+ quests of WoW and while Cataclysm may have been more linear, Old Republic is much worse in this reguard, the quest design has definitely improved. 

You also can't stamp your name on anything it's just the basic "Made by Muad'dib" nothing special. Schematics drop in hardmodes and raids also which is another thing that frustrates me as a crafter. I can't just excel at crafting I have to raid if I want to make the best stuff or find the best materials. The way crafting is handled also doesn't even reward the player. Only Biochem does which is why some of the more hardcore guilds are already requiring raiders to be Biochem for the benefits. 

And people should complain. Did you know Bioware had ignored Abiliy Delay, the performance issues and issues with Ilum until people started complaining to game news sites? You can easily find this out by google but Bioware didn't acknowledge the performance problems either until you saw articles on RPS, PC Gamer and such showing how even top builds couldn't cut it in a player heavy environment. Isn't that the whole point of the graphic/artstyle?

[Nameless one7]

I think if you go into a MMORPG with high expectations that your always going to be dissapointed.