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[Augustei]

So in Act 3 when making a choice between templars and mages, its already certain that Fenris, Merrill and Anders might side against you and you may be forced to kill them. But is this possible for Aveline? because every time i try she always sides with me.. Theres a dramatic pause in her speech like she is about to side against me but she never does?

Has anyone actually had her side against you? Or know where a video of it might be located? Apparently if you side with the mages she betrays you but Ive tried at both max friendship, max rival and right in between the two. Im beginning to doubt its possible but still am unsure.

Anyone know if she actually can side against you?

[IanPolaris]

If Fenris sides against you, Aveline will ALWAYS side with you. It's hard coded to keep you from having a shortage of fighters in the final scene.

-Polaris

[Augustei]

I gave Fenris to his master so would that alter the outcome? Also I gave Isabela to the Arishok So would I have to spare one or both of them to do it?

[IanPolaris]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I gave Fenris to his master so would that alter the outcome? Also I gave Isabela to the Arishok So would I have to spare one or both of them to do it?

Yes.  If Fenris isn't there (for whatever reason), then Aveline will always be loyal.  It's hardcoded.

-Polaris

[Augustei]

IanPolaris wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I gave Fenris to his master so would that alter the outcome? Also I gave Isabela to the Arishok So would I have to spare one or both of them to do it?

Yes.  If Fenris isn't there (for whatever reason), then Aveline will always be loyal.  It's hardcoded.

-Polaris

Damn =(.. Trying to end the game with as few companions as possible ( My Hawkes a bit of an arse lol) thanks for the reply btw =D
So I guess if I want this to happen I will have to friend Fenris and not friend Aveline.. hmm cant see it happening lol. Fenris's disgust of mages is rather annoying to say the least =P. Guess my curiousity will have to go unsated. Or just eagerly await for someone to record it and put it on youtube lol

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 07 mai 2011 - 11:40 .

[Wulfram]

I'm not sure if you can actually kill her - I found this on youtube

[Rifneno]

Huh.  Well, trying to see this lead me to seeing how someone can take one of the evilest options in the game.  I tried seeing what Aveline does with low approval, but I couldn't get Fenris to stop stabbing me in the back.  Even consoling his approval to full.  Apparently because I hadn't done the quest with Danarius yet (although I did all his others) he keeps turning on me.  I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.

From now on, every playthrough, he's getting sold to Danarius.  Knife-ear scumbag deserves to be a slave to a blood mage. 

[Augustei]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm not sure if you can actually kill her - I found this on youtube

Oh sweet, thanks =D cool seeing the guards ignoring that stupid templar like that lol. I guess all the same stuff Ian Mentions applies for this scene to be seen

[Augustei]

Rifneno wrote...
From now on, every playthrough, he's getting sold to Danarius.  Knife-ear scumbag deserves to be a slave to a blood mage.

That he does Rifneno, that he does.

[Augustei]

IanPolaris wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I gave Fenris to his master so would that alter the outcome? Also I gave Isabela to the Arishok So would I have to spare one or both of them to do it?

Yes.  If Fenris isn't there (for whatever reason), then Aveline will always be loyal.  It's hardcoded.

-Polaris

Does the same thing apply for Merrill if fenris isn't there but Isabela is?

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Huh.  Well, trying to see this lead me to seeing how someone can take one of the evilest options in the game.  I tried seeing what Aveline does with low approval, but I couldn't get Fenris to stop stabbing me in the back.  Even consoling his approval to full.  Apparently because I hadn't done the quest with Danarius yet (although I did all his others) he keeps turning on me.  I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.

From now on, every playthrough, he's getting sold to Danarius.  Knife-ear scumbag deserves to be a slave to a blood mage. 

Wait, why didn't you ever bother doing Alone?

[llandwynwyn]

Rifneno wrote...
I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.

To be fair, he never asks you to teach him and - if you use him, that's it - he helps Hawke in many missions, too.
He just wanted your support and Alone is the mission that really proves - to him - that Hawke cares about him.
So, in your case, why should he care about your sister if you never cared about his?

[Chuvvy]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.

To be fair, he never asks you to teach him and - if you use him, that's it - he helps Hawke in many missions, too.
He just wanted your support and Alone is the mission that really proves - to him - that Hawke cares about him.
So, in your case, why should he care about your sister if you never cared about his?

To be fair, Fenris is sort of a ****. You have to put up with his **** the entire game, not unlike Anders. I get it you were a slave, I get it, your a mage. Can we move on to a new topic?

What I'm saying is, putting up with him makes you even. I like him and I keep him in my party, but Jesus Christ, he can carry on.

Modifié par Slidell505, 08 mai 2011 - 08:16 .

[In Exile]

Slidell505 wrote...
To be fair, Fenris is sort of a ****. You have to put up with his **** the entire game, not unlike Anders. I get it you were a slave, I get it, your a mage. Can we move on to a new topic?

What I'm saying is, putting up with him makes you even. I like him and I keep him in my party, but Jesus Christ, he can carry on.

Then you can say that Fenris is tired you you getting tired to put up with him... and not killing the mages is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[llandwynwyn]

Slidell505 wrote...
What I'm saying is, putting up with him makes you even. I like him and I keep him in my party, but Jesus Christ, he can carry on.

Oh, I know. I always play mage and sometimes I just want to strangle him but then I remember he is my tank and Aveline is worse. /sigh/

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...
Wait, why didn't you ever bother doing Alone?

There were lots of quests I hadn't done.  I had barely begun on side quests in Act III when I saw the thread asking about Aveline.  I knew I had her at medicore approval (I almost always played the good guy, but I chewed her out good for some her idiotic remarks in dialogues in the barracks) so I figured I'd go test it.  I was quite shocked to find Fenris, who was at least over 75% approval, stabbed me in the back.

In hindsight though, I can't bring myself to let the magister walk away all the time.  So I'm just going to never help the broody hypocrite and give him the chance to join in the first place.

llandwynwyn wrote...
To be fair, he never asks you to teach him and - if you use him, that's it - he helps Hawke in many missions, too.
He just wanted your support and Alone is the mission that really proves - to him - that Hawke cares about him.
So, in your case, why should he care about your sister if you never cared about his?

How's he to say I didn't care about his?  I never knew about it.  I hadn't gotten the quest from him yet when Anders bombed the Chantry.

In Exile wrote...
Then you can say that Fenris is tired you you getting tired to put up with him... and not killing the mages is the straw that breaks the camel's back. 

If refusing to kill my innocent sister whom even he says is a shining example of a good and strong mage is "the final straw" for him, then he deserves any possible fate that can befall him.  Daraius' footstool included.  He doesn't just leave the group, he comes back with the templars and actively tries to kill Hawke.  He's no better than his sister.

[Xilizhra]

In hindsight though, I can't bring myself to let the magister walk away all the time. So I'm just going to never help the broody hypocrite and give him the chance to join in the first place.

Why not kill him? He's giving both mages in general and Tevinter in particular a bad name.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

In hindsight though, I can't bring myself to let the magister walk away all the time. So I'm just going to never help the broody hypocrite and give him the chance to join in the first place.

Why not kill him? He's giving both mages in general and Tevinter in particular a bad name.

Because that would mean saving Fenris' worthless hide in Act I.

[tonnactus]

Rifneno wrote...

Huh.  Well, trying to see this lead me to seeing how someone can take one of the evilest options in the game.  I tried seeing what Aveline does with low approval, but I couldn't get Fenris to stop stabbing me in the back.  Even consoling his approval to full.  Apparently because I hadn't done the quest with Danarius yet (although I did all his others) he keeps turning on me.  I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.
. 

Fenris never turned against me...
You choosed the wrong diologue options.

[Xilizhra]

And turning him into the attack dog of another mage (yourself) holds no appeal?

[Vicious]

I wasn't even aware the companions could betray you until I read the forums.

[frustratemyself]

If you have 100% friendship or rivalry Fenris will fight with you in the final straw, he will just carp about helping mages. Again.

[Sussurus]

Rifneno wrote...
From now on, every playthrough, he's getting sold to Danarius.  Knife-ear scumbag deserves to be a slave to a blood mage. 

Haha, I just love how emotionally invested you are in the game Rifneno.

Oddly first game I did nothing with Fenris, no quest or even a trip to the gallows.
He still sided with me, switching sides on the steps of the gallows.

As for Line never had her go against Hawke tbh, she's prety much attached to the hip it seems.

Modifié par Sussurus, 08 mai 2011 - 11:52 .

[Viyu]

Slidell505 wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
I just spent 3 years teaching this maggot to read after I saved him from about 100 slavers, and he's got the gall to attack me for refusing to help commit genocide against the Circle that my sister is in.

To be fair, he never asks you to teach him and - if you use him, that's it - he helps Hawke in many missions, too.
He just wanted your support and Alone is the mission that really proves - to him - that Hawke cares about him.
So, in your case, why should he care about your sister if you never cared about his?

To be fair, Fenris is sort of a ****. You have to put up with his **** the entire game, not unlike Anders. I get it you were a slave, I get it, your a mage. Can we move on to a new topic?

This. God, this. It's ike these two don't have anything else to do but to brood over politics. Its even more annoying to see them go at it all the time. Don't they have any interests outside this whole mage/templar thing?

[Ryzaki]

Wow that vid is awesome.

And Fenris is awesome. Ah well. Your loss not mine. I have my nearly indestructible warrior with bodies everywhere.