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[Texhnolyze101]

i wish i could kill all my companions from the very beginning to bad you cant

[Bigdoser]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm not sure if you can actually kill her - I found this on youtube

How do you get that scene?

[Icy Magebane]

Hm... that's an interesting video... too bad you can't just kill her when she turns her back though. That's what I'd do, but I'm not Hawke.

[Paeyne]

Aveline, Merrill and Varric cannot be disposed of in any way. You have to have a party of four for the ending.

Carver/Bethany: One dies in the prologue and one can die in the deep roads.
Anders: Murder knifed at the end.
Isabella: Tossed to the Arishok (although it is alluded to that she escapes).
Fenris: Tossed to Denarius as a footstool.
Sebastian: Throws a temper tantrum and runs to Starkhaven to raise an army against Kirkwall (yeah. right.)

So, actually Anders is the only one you can out-right kill.

[Icy Magebane]

Actually, Merrill can be killed if her friendship/rivalry isn't above 50% and you side with the Templars... or so I've heard. It was taking too much effort to accomplish, so I gave up. There's a thread about it somewhere if you need proof of that... I have no idea if the minimum number of party members applies to her as well, but knowing this game, it probably does.

[bleetman]

Paeyne wrote...

So, actually Anders is the only one you can out-right kill.

Merrill, Anders and Fenris can be killed in combat, circumstances and approval depending. Just not all at once, such is my understanding.

Modifié par bleetman, 09 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[NKKKK]

If you keep having your folk turn against you, your playing the game wrong.

[MyKingdomCold]

or right if you want to kill them all

[1483749283]

As far as I can tell Varric is the only unkillable one.

[Paeyne]

bleetman wrote...

Paeyne wrote...

So, actually Anders is the only one you can out-right kill.

Merrill, Anders and Fenris can be killed in combat, circumstances and approval depending. Just not all at once, such is my understanding.

Actually I do remember killing Fenris in combat at the end of one of my playthroughs.

I pretty well always knife Anders so I don't know if you can kill him in combat after that.

I didn't know about Merrill, but I would think that if everyone else is gone she would join you even if you side with the Templars.

[Rifneno]

Paeyne wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Paeyne wrote...

So, actually Anders is the only one you can out-right kill.

Merrill, Anders and Fenris can be killed in combat, circumstances and approval depending. Just not all at once, such is my understanding.

Actually I do remember killing Fenris in combat at the end of one of my playthroughs.

I pretty well always knife Anders so I don't know if you can kill him in combat after that.

I didn't know about Merrill, but I would think that if everyone else is gone she would join you even if you side with the Templars.

If you let Anders go but side with the templars, he'll show up to fight you later on at the Gallows.  Not sure about Merrill.  I only had enough booze to get through the templar ending once and she didn't turn on me that time.

Hmm.  Now that I think about it, both mages can turn if you side with the templars (no big surprise), both warriors can turn if you side with the mages (not surprised at Fenris, but I am surprised at Aveline), and both rogues stick with you no matter what.  Odd that it's so well divided by class.

[Fieryeel]

Just to clarify on the difficulty of having companions betray you

Easy
Anders
Fenris
Sebastian
Isabela (Qunari quest)

Middle
Aveline

Hard
Merrill

Impossible
Varric

In short, what makes Merrill and Aveline so hard to betray you is that Merrill stays if Anders betrays you, and Aveline stays if Fenris betrays you. The only way to make Merrill betray you is to side with templars, however the moment you side with them, Anders is near 100% sure to betraying you, only by having him on high rivalry would he stay. Also, it is incredibly difficult to have Merrill's approval/hate be below 50. As for Aveline, the only way to have her betray you is to side with mages, the moment you do so, Fenris would turn against you, unless you have him on high approval/hate.

Modifié par Fieryeel, 09 mai 2011 - 09:04 .

[Augustei]

Fieryeel wrote...

Just to clarify on the difficulty of having companions betray you

Easy
Anders
Fenris
Sebastian
Isabela (Qunari quest)

Middle
Aveline

Hard
Merrill

Impossible
Varric

In short, what makes Merrill and Aveline so hard to betray you is that Merrill stays if Anders betrays you, and Aveline stays if Fenris betrays you. The only way to make Merrill betray you is to side with templars, however the moment you side with them, Anders is near 100% sure to betraying you, only by having him on high rivalry would he stay. Also, it is incredibly difficult to have Merrill's approval/hate be below 50. As for Aveline, the only way to have her betray you is to side with mages, the moment you do so, Fenris would turn against you, unless you have him on high approval/hate.

Thanks for the info, this is what I was looking for =D

Regarding Merril what if you side with templars and let Anders go? I think he still remains on the character screen so he might be still a registered party member or something lol.

[Rifneno]

Opps.  Forgot to reply to responses earlier...

Xilizhra wrote...

And turning him into the attack dog of another mage (yourself) holds no appeal?

No.  Treating him like an attack dog is confirming his prejudice beliefs that mages will treat others like pets or slaves.  He is a person, and one that deserves nothing but contempt as far as I'm concerned.  I have sympathy for his past and I can understand his distrust of mages but not to the extent that I'd forgive him for trying to kill someone that's always been a good friend to him for refusing to kill a group that includes his/her innocent sister.

frustratemyself wrote...

If you have 100% friendship or rivalry Fenris will fight with you in the final straw, he will just carp about helping mages. Again.

He still stabbed me in the back with 100% friendship.  The only thing I can figure is that it's tied to whether you've done his final companion quest.

 

Sussurus wrote...

Haha, I just love how emotionally invested you are in the game Rifneno.

Eh.  I was a little PO'd, but why bother playing an RPG if you don't care about the story?

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

i wish i could kill all my companions from the very beginning to bad you cant

Wouldn't that be nice?  Shame we're playing an extremely detailed prologue.

Fieryeel wrote...

In short, what makes Merrill and Aveline so hard to betray you is that Merrill stays if Anders betrays you, and Aveline stays if Fenris betrays you. The only way to make Merrill betray you is to side with templars, however the moment you side with them, Anders is near 100% sure to betraying you, only by having him on high rivalry would he stay. Also, it is incredibly difficult to have Merrill's approval/hate be below 50. As for Aveline, the only way to have her betray you is to side with mages, the moment you do so, Fenris would turn against you, unless you have him on high approval/hate.

Well Anders' rivalry Annulment ending is (apparently) bugged.  So does that mean Merrill can't really side with the mages against Hawke until it's fixed? 

[Sussurus]

Rifneno wrote...

Opps.  Forgot to reply to responses earlier...

Sussurus wrote...

Haha, I just love how emotionally invested you are in the game Rifneno.

Eh.  I was a little PO'd, but why bother playing an RPG if you don't care about the story?

 

No I agree I've felt the same often, and had many of the same reactions.
I meant no offense, I just like your invested posts especially when you use a turn of phrase so well.

Modifié par Sussurus, 09 mai 2011 - 02:06 .

[Knight of Dane]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Just to clarify on the difficulty of having companions betray you

Easy
Anders
Fenris
Sebastian
Isabela (Qunari quest)

Middle
Aveline

Hard
Merrill

Impossible
Varric

In short, what makes Merrill and Aveline so hard to betray you is that Merrill stays if Anders betrays you, and Aveline stays if Fenris betrays you. The only way to make Merrill betray you is to side with templars, however the moment you side with them, Anders is near 100% sure to betraying you, only by having him on high rivalry would he stay. Also, it is incredibly difficult to have Merrill's approval/hate be below 50. As for Aveline, the only way to have her betray you is to side with mages, the moment you do so, Fenris would turn against you, unless you have him on high approval/hate.

Thanks for the info, this is what I was looking for =D

Regarding Merril what if you side with templars and let Anders go? I think he still remains on the character screen so he might be still a registered party member or something lol.

Ah, it hurt to post that, I'm sorry Merrill..

[Rifneno]

Sussurus wrote...
No I agree I've felt the same often, and had many of the same reactions.
I meant no offense, I just like your invested posts especially when you use a turn of phrase so well.

Oh.  Thanks.  Usually when people say something like that, it's a "how dare you get into a game?" type of thing hehe...

Knight of Dane wrote...



Ah, it hurt to post that, I'm sorry Merrill..

Poor Merrill.  "Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could."  I don't know about more dangerous, but the girl's got a point.

Followed a few links there and saw this interesting bit:  No need to follow the link really, but it looks like someone digging around the audio files found a line from Elthina talking to Hawke (presumably) about their meeting Cassandra.  Apparently we were supposed to meet Cassandra at some point in the game?  I wonder what changed...

[Knight of Dane]

Rifneno wrote...

Followed a few links there and saw this interesting bit:  No need to follow the link really, but it looks like someone digging around the audio files found a line from Elthina talking to Hawke (presumably) about their meeting Cassandra.  Apparently we were supposed to meet Cassandra at some point in the game?  I wonder what changed...

Wanna bet that it comes out as DLC?

[Sussurus]

DLC would be a little... shall I say moot.
If we lets say take Varric's talk with her as if they have met before or he is aware of her as granted.

That would still be quite a ret con to put her in the main game with Hawke contact.
As tbh.. the whole tell me the story, the true story spiel for someone with prior knowledge of it would just suck pink orbs of McGuffinhood.

Having the DLC post chapter three would be a little better... but again before Varric's meeting ould be silly.
Cassandra: "Oh yes the champion I had met and possibly "met", I thought it was another champion!."
... What... yes..!.

Only way to introduce her without nerdrage is after Varric and in an expansion for me.

Oh on topic: Aveline in her third act "questioning doubts" quest, I got her speaking with Hawkes voice on the last run!

Modifié par Sussurus, 09 mai 2011 - 08:43 .