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[brazen_nl]

Any AoE will do. 2H warriors have Whirlwind and Mighty Blow, SnS warrios have Assault and Scatter and mages have been demonstrated all over the place.

See this video on my YouTube channel (see my signature) for a D&S rogue using a grenade to decloak an assassin. Of course, any character can use grenades, so have fun with it!

 

Modifié par brazen_nl, 07 mai 2011 - 05:44 .

[mr_afk]

Nice! I'm usually too cheap to buy grenades but they do look useful. Maybe I'll start using them in my speed runs.

Btw, don't you find the dagger&shield rogue a little too cheesy/easy? I guess you get nice big numbers which is what really matters haha

Modifié par mr_afk, 07 mai 2011 - 05:41 .

[brazen_nl]

To tell you the truth, I don't really care about the numbers. Subjectively, I don't feel there's much of a difference speed wise. Basically, I like the look.

/me is a devout IN1 shenanigan supporter.

[mr_afk]

Haha me too. IN1's builds were the inspiration to find an experimental build of my own - Though my crit-mage probably won't be quite the 'meta-gaming' his is.I tried the dagger and shield for a little bit and it made it feel like the game was on casual; But then again I was using a pretty late-game rogue with decent equipment/accessories. I mean, you must admit that a weapon that can kill the arishok in like 5 seconds is pretty powerful..But more importantly- HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NUMBERS???!!! 
Hahaha anyway, I was more thinking that for speed runs involving many assassins instead of having to slowly select talents through the radial menus and/or position them carefully I could just have a grenade bound to a hot key such that I have a smaller radius (=easier to aim) method to destealth. Pity it probably won't work on rage demons - if only they kept the freeze bombs from origins..

Modifié par mr_afk, 07 mai 2011 - 05:56 .

[lionalio87]

What? That's mean your rogue built in Strength and Dexterity? So you are a tank rogue, not like the "traditional" rogue who use to focus on defense and high DPS attack?

[brazen_nl]

Please refer to IN1's thread to see the high DPS the shield does. It does more than the best dagger in game.

With regards to rogues, I don't care about defense or, what you probably mean, the extra armor a shield provides. I've come to the point that I find rogues and warriors boring, it's just too easy. Mage is where the fun's at!

[mr_afk]

um...
numbers = dmg?
big numbers = awesome/speed running fights/feeling good about yourself/sole purpose in DA2?

Unless that wasn't directed at me?
But I agree, mages are pretty fun. I'm thinking I might try a DW rogue playthrough after though. Only done an archer and an allure's crook. DW rogues are where the really big number are at...

[brazen_nl]

mr_afk wrote...

Hahaha anyway, I was more thinking that for speed runs involving many assassins instead of having to slowly select talents through the radial menus and/or position them carefully I could just have a grenade bound to a hot key such that I have a smaller radius (=easier to aim) method to destealth. Pity it probably won't work on rage demons - if only they kept the freeze bombs from origins..

I haven't played rogue in a long while, so I'm kinda rusty on the keys. The only reason I did this is because there was a thread on it (Never try to outrun a backflipping assassin), and I've posted the vid there also. However, maybe not everyone is aware that you can decloak an assassin using any AoE effect, so I decided to make a new topic. Grenades are universal, any character can use them and you don't put an offensive ability on cooldown.

I haven't tried this with a rage demon, but an AoE effect is an AoE effect. Try it out and pleasantly surprise yourself, I'd say. 

[brazen_nl]

mr_afk wrote...

um...
numbers = dmg?
big numbers = awesome/speed running fights/feeling good about yourself/sole purpose in DA2?

Unless that wasn't directed at me?
But I agree, mages are pretty fun. I'm thinking I might try a DW rogue playthrough after though. Only done an archer and an allure's crook. DW rogues are where the really big number are at...

Sorry, wasn't directed at you, but at the poster that isn't aware of what the shield actually does when put in the hands of a deft rogue. 

[mr_afk]

Haha fair enough.
btw, I've just realised how hard it is to do the gauntlet only controlling mage hawke. All the companions keep running off and getting separated and killed because it's such a big room!
And Arelex made it seem so simple....gah!

@lionalio, check out this guide/explanation and this vid haha. If you haven't seen it before it's one of the great examples of IN1 doing his thing.

[brazen_nl]

Should be obvious just looking at the numbers in the vid, methinks. White > Purple. 'Nuff said. 

[Jack-Nader]

All you have to do Mr_AFK is select group attack and then focus fire.

[brazen_nl]

He even says so in the beginning of the vid, so it's probably something else. 

[mr_afk]

Ooh thanks! just realised what I was doing wrong. Whenever I selected the group to focus fire I would spam the attack button (still not used to having auto-attack). This meant that they didn't follow their tactics and they just attacked and thus were pretty useless when group attacking.

Anyway, major disadvantage in using my current setup in the gauntlet is that half the enemies are immune to spirit and they are all so spread out and can't be pull of abyss'd. This means that walking bombs are a lot harder to pull off/rendered pointless and aveline's disorient CCCs are pretty ineffective/only good at friendly fire.

Might change my party line-up. Been meaning to get isabela into my party anyway. There's a few songs which I could use to reflect that she's my LI in the current playthrough.
Fun fun, I love this whole respeccing/thinking up new strategy-party synergy part!!

@ brazen - yeah whatever, I'll go get my party sorted and beat whatever times he ever got 

Modifié par mr_afk, 07 mai 2011 - 06:47 .

[Jack-Nader]

The time for a speed run of that map is around 1minute 55. It's pretty much hardcoded due to the spawn delay..

Modifié par Jack-Nader, 07 mai 2011 - 07:00 .

[mr_afk]

Ahh.. okay then. I might not bother to record it then. I'll see. I'm going to try controlling isabela for a change. Think this setup is going to be really **** (much like a crappy version of a hawke rogue) but what's the fun in not trying out terrible ideas?! haha
Anyway, I think we've side-tracked the topic of this thread enough -
I'll check if rage demons can be unstealthed by a grenade (doubtful as they're immune?)

[tonnactus]

brazen_nl wrote...

Any AoE will do. 2H warriors have Whirlwind and Mighty Blow, SnS warrios have Assault and Scatter and mages have been demonstrated all over the place.

See this video on my YouTube channel (see my signature) for a D&S rogue using a grenade to decloak an assassin. Of course, any character can use grenades, so have fun with it!

 

Grenades are not cheap.

[Jack-Nader]

Rush also de-stealths assassins.

[mr_afk]

Does rush de-stealth rage demons? I'll find out soon enough though I guess

[Jack-Nader]

mr_afk wrote...

Does rush de-stealth rage demons? I'll find out soon enough though I guess

Doubt it. 

[AreleX]

The only time I had with group movement in the gauntlet is when the second Rage Demon spawns. For some reason, my entire party finds it necessary to run up and inspect it to make sure that it is, in fact, an enemy.

Other than that, when you focus fire, your party SHOULD pretty much stay still, the only cases where they move are a. to get in range, or b. to evade an enemy, which shouldn't be an issue if you're killing the most immediate threats first.

p.s - take the book and i will reconsider your position as worst player

[mr_afk]

Hmm, true but that's probably more for an all-ranged party. Without directly controlling them, melee companions tend to end up been rather pathetic at been where they're supposed to be. Or will decide to scatter enemies when they're near to other companions....

Anyhow, I've rethought my position on Isabela - If you control her she's an absolute damage machine!! Using absolutely no party synergy/CCCs I did the gauntlet (not including the evil tome) in around ~2:10. I tried doing the evil tome during the gauntlet but I think I miss-timed it and read it before the second-half of the second-wave had spawned (those four or so abominations). Somehow this also triggered all the revenants to come out the join the party. So after juggling thousands of enemies I accidentally blew myself up with a grenade - so it didn't end well.

I'm going to respec everyone properly and do it again. I might even consider opening the book - but I do sort of enjoy been the worst player.

Modifié par mr_afk, 07 mai 2011 - 07:54 .

[Jack-Nader]

Isabella does churn out a bit of damage. Just remember to pump her dex/ con only if you do not intend to use her for chests. If you do intend to use her to unlock chest then pick up the dagger in lowtown that makes lockpicking easier.

[mr_afk]

Haha don't worry. I've only pumped dex/con- I did calcs on how to maximise her damage aages ago. Just haven't played with her properly since she got that new ring. It actually makes her really awesome (knockback-wise).