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[Nathan Redgrave]

Her character arc makes sense when it's completely understood. The real problem is that it takes Redemption and Lair of the Shadow Broker to completely understand it, and the one dialogue choice in ME2 itself that attempts to go the extra mile and clarify enough that you can get by with just ME1 and ME2... is very, very easily missed.

[corporal doody]

Alienmorph wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

I appreciated the effort that Walters did to make her something more than just "the romanceable alien", my only problem is with ME: Redemption, where she acts like she's possessed by Jack, curse words apart. In LotSB she was awesome and no more too much out of her original characterization: simply she was evolving in something else.

channeling her alleged "father"? or be way to be tough...is look tough...and that what she considered tough?

LoL, maybe. Finding out she's 1/4 krogan could explain much But seriously, she looked really out of the character, not like she was trying to look badass because she was alone again, wich would have been a totally understandable behaviour.

If Sheploo or Femshep was in her shoes at the time...they would have reached down and grabbed a hold...INTESTINAL FORTITUDE.  Im positive Liara thought..what would Shep do? Look who she was cruising with in ME1...some serious professionals (and one gypsy) that knew how to deal with "matters." She took what she learned from them and used it...no doubt in my mind.

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 07:33 .

[kill_switch_423]

Electricosity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Electricosity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

BioWare's trying to craft a game with no whining.

And a forum without failing trololols. Nice attempt though.

I think you'll find most people around these parts have at least a mutual respect for me. Nice assumption though.

Trololol. 

You keep using this word.  I do not think it means what you think it means. 

Anywho, I think her character progressed rather believably.  She went through a lot, and it's safe to assume she would change.  Plus, "Have you ever seen an asari commando unit before?  Few humans have..."

Also, you killed my father.  Prepare to die.

[Alienmorph]

corporal doody wrote...

If Sheploo or Femshep was in her shoes at the time...they would have reached down and grabbed a hold...INTESTINAL FORTITUDE.  Im positive Liara thought..what would Shep do? Look who she was cruising with in ME1...some serious professionals (and one gypsy) that knew how to deal with "matters." She took what she learned from them and used it...no doubt in my mind.

I agree, it's esentially a writing flaw having her in "uber badass mode" during Redemption, but the fact she decided to do something is totally sensed. Everyone else of the team had his/her own personal issues that helped him/her to deal with the Shepard's loss, Liara didn't had anymore neither a family to return back, so she tried at least to honour her faller Commander recovering his/her remains, and being involved in something bigger. It works, and well.

[lolwut666]

The problem with Liara is that she is just weird.

No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body, and then hand that body over to some organization in the hopes that they could bring that person back to life.

Nobody in the SR-1 did that because they are normal people. Only Liara bothered to do it.

And that, as it turns out, what she did not only bore fruit, but was an absolutely crucial action, makes her seem heavily favored by the narrative.

And then, in just two years, she becomes a badass *and* an ace information broker when she spent over a century being a meek archeologist, and that she is a supremely powerful biotic capable to single-handily thwart and escape assassination attempts, as well as challenge one of the most dangerous beings in the galaxy (Shadow Broker) by herself, and that she herself *becomes* one of the most powerful and dangerous beings in the galaxy at the end, and how every scene with her seems to try to force on you that you *should* think she's "oh so strong" and feel sorry for her, and you got yourself a text-book Mary Sue.

Modifié par lolwut666, 07 mai 2011 - 07:46 .

[dreman9999]

What I never understand is why Liara fan are blind to her obsessive character traits. She was so obsessed with protheans she alianated herself for 60 year studing them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.
Seening how bad her obsessive personality can get is good character growth for her.

[corporal doody]

lolwut666 wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is just weird.

No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body, and then hand that body over to some organization in the hopes that they could bring that person back to life.

Nobody in the SR-2 did that because they are normal people. Only Liara bothered to do it.

And that, as it turns out, what she did not only bore fruit, but was an absolutely crucial action, makes her seem heavily favored by the narrative.

And then, in just two years, she becomes a badass *and* an ace information broker when she spent over a century being a meek archeologist, and that she is a supremely powerful biotic capable to single-handily thwart and escape assassination attempts, as well as challenge one of the most dangerous beings in the galaxy (Shadow Broker) by herself, and that she herself *becomes* one of the most powerful and dangerous beings in the galaxy at the end, and how every scene with her seems to try to force on you that you *should* think she's "oh so strong" and feel sorry for her, and you got yourself a text-book Mary Sue.

After Shep died...what else did she have? her mom dead. no pops....Shep whom she took a interest in.....and possibly a LI...was pretty much all the family she had left. You honestly think you can return to your "normal" life after everything that has happened to you in such a short time. A Cerberus lied to her....SHE HAD HOPE.
You MAN UP when the situation leaves you little to no choice. YOU MAN UP OR GET BEAT DOWN. She MANNED UP. she did what she had to do.
SB probably thought it was funny. Some little asari wanting to challenge him....homeboy had an ego...and felt he had the crew that could take her out easy when he got bored...ENTER SHEP......story changes.

[corporal doody]

dreman9999 wrote...

What I never understand is why Liara fan are blind to her obsessive character traits. She was so obsessed with protheans she alianated herself for 60 year studing them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.
Seening how bad her obsessive personality can get is good character growth for her.

maybe she is bipolar?

i dunno...she had a crumby home life like the rest of the crew in ME1 and 2...so she needed to focus on sumthin else. and most asari her age work as mercs and strippers...so i dunno...obsessive antisocial nerd works too.

but again..im biased for

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 07:52 .

[rolson00]

lolwut666 wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is just weird.

No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body, and then hand that body over to some organization in the hopes that they could bring that person back to life.

Nobody in the SR-1 did that because they are normal people. Only Liara bothered to do it.

And that, as it turns out, what she did not only bore fruit, but was an absolutely crucial action, makes her seem heavily favored by the narrative.

And then, in just two years, she becomes a badass *and* an ace information broker when she spent over a century being a meek archeologist, and that she is a supremely powerful biotic capable to single-handily thwart and escape assassination attempts, as well as challenge one of the most dangerous beings in the galaxy (Shadow Broker) by herself, and that she herself *becomes* one of the most powerful and dangerous beings in the galaxy at the end, and how every scene with her seems to try to force on you that you *should* think she's "oh so strong" and feel sorry for her, and you got yourself a text-book Mary Sue.

although ne1 who followed shepard got pretty much the same drive as ol shep its what happened in da:o as well

[Ski Mask Wei]

dreman9999 wrote...

What I never understand is why Liara fan are blind to her obsessive character traits. She was so obsessed with protheans she alianated herself for 60 year studing them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.
Seening how bad her obsessive personality can get is good character growth for her.

Yeah, the screws in Liara's head aren't the tighest.  I guess it's just emotional blinders.

[lolwut666]

@corporal doody

I respect your opinion, but that's still too over-the-top for me to accept.

[corporal doody]

when you her pick as a LI in ME1...cheat on her in ME2...will you wake up one day in ME3 and she is sitting in your bed with decapitated hamster and a bloody knife?

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[corporal doody]

lolwut666 wrote...

@corporal doody

I respect your opinion, but that's still too over-the-top for me to accept.

i can dig it.

[Nathan Redgrave]

lolwut666 wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is just weird.

No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body, and then hand that body over to some organization in the hopes that they could bring that person back to life.

First off, that last bit was collateral damage. The main thing in Redemption was less about getting Shepard's body than about stopping the Collectors from acquiring it (under the premise of Whatever They Want, It Can't Be Good™). Re-acquiring the body occurs as a necessary part of that, and giving it to Cerberus was an option that makes sense once you already have the body--are you going to burn the thing, or take the chance that Cerberus can put some life back in it? Which of those two seems more tempting to you?

Liara also didn't go out of her way on her own, it was something Cerberus headhunted her to do. None of the others were involved in that because none of the others happened to be called in by Cerberus to do this.

[Eudaemonium]

corporal doody wrote...

when you her pick as a LI in ME1...cheat on her in ME2...will you wake up one day in ME3 and she is sitting in your bed with decapitated hamster and a bloody knife?

She'll probably be sittign in your bed with the other LI. She wasn't really that bothered in ME1 when you asked if you could have both. Besides, she calls you on cheating in LotSB and she seems fairly at ease with it by the end. You've both changed.

[corporal doody]

Eudaemonium wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

when you her pick as a LI in ME1...cheat on her in ME2...will you wake up one day in ME3 and she is sitting in your bed with decapitated hamster and a bloody knife?

She'll probably be sittign in your bed with the other LI. She wasn't really that bothered in ME1 when you asked if you could have both. Besides, she calls you on cheating in LotSB and she seems fairly at ease with it by the end. You've both changed.

was goofing on the obsessive thing.
btw....is that dialogue only available when playing sheploo? i dont recall getting that with femshep

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[dreman9999]

corporal doody wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

What I never understand is why Liara fan are blind to her obsessive character traits. She was so obsessed with protheans she alianated herself for 60 year studing them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.
Seening how bad her obsessive personality can get is good character growth for her.

maybe she is bipolar?

That not bipoler.... She's Obsessive.....
Let look at her conversations.....
ME1




She talks about her intrest in the protheans(Take note her statement about her self isolation.)....then her intrest in you and your visions.


ME2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_XCQEL8RiE

It's all shadow broker.... Then, she tells you why...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFMPaSjAuo

Now take note that she's not on your ship after kill the SB.(Hey, I just notice something.....There's nothing left of the SB to fIll a coffee cup.)

[corporal doody]

a unhealthy and addictive personalty. Shep is her crack cocaine

[dreman9999]

corporal doody wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

What I never understand is why Liara fan are blind to her obsessive character traits. She was so obsessed with protheans she alianated herself for 60 year studing them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.
Seening how bad her obsessive personality can get is good character growth for her.

maybe she is bipolar?

i dunno...she had a crumby home life like the rest of the crew in ME1 and 2...so she needed to focus on sumthin else. and most asari her age work as mercs and strippers...so i dunno...obsessive antisocial nerd works too.

but again..im biased for

She had a great home life and an understanding Mother who loved her dearly, I just that so did not want to become her mother like everyone else wanted her to be.

[RaenImrahl]

@Electricosity... if you think someone is trolling, report them. Otherwise, please stay on your own topic.

RI

[corporal doody]

smothered perhaps?

[Dannyboy9876]

I think Liara was done wonderfully.

She is a determined obsessive, but a very nice lady too.

[NICKjnp]

I felt that this was not th same Liara as in ME1. I don't like Liara now...not because of the personality she has in the game but because the personality change was too extreme.

[corporal doody]

Tragedy has a way of changing people.

trial by fire
Idiom A test of one's abilities, especially the ability to perform well under pressure.
Synonyms: trial, affliction, crucible, ordeal, tribulation
These nouns denote distress or suffering that severely tests resiliency and character: no consolation in their hour of trial; the affliction of a bereaved family; the crucible of revolution; the ordeal of being an innocent murder suspect; a time of relentless tribulation.

maybe the bada** and not the meek archeologist is who she was meant to be.

[Fredvdp]

JeffZero wrote...

Electricosity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Electricosity wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

BioWare's trying to craft a game with no whining.

And a forum without failing trololols. Nice attempt though.

I think you'll find most people around these parts have at least a mutual respect for me. Nice assumption though.

Trololol. 

Yes, what witty retorts. You've clearly mastered the art of...

...whatever it is you're going for.

Don't feed the troll.